The Energon Pub

Okay, here's a good match up. The original Prime vs. movieverse (a.k.a. Bayformer) Prime.

Both are superb fighters, both are good strategists and are resourceful (though slightly more-so with G1 Prime on the strategy and resourcefulness parts), are great shots, incredibly strong, and have millions of years of experience. Although G1 Prime has a place deep down inside me as the greatest Prime of all time, I think the only edge movie Prime has over G1 is that he's much more aggressive (is notorious for going for his enemies' faces during combat lol), and kills in a rather visceral fashion.

Alright guys, who wins this one?

Gah! this is hard. Even though I like G1 better, Movie prime seems to be unstoppable. He is actually a pretty dirty fighter going for limbs and well faces. Where as G1 prime would first try and keep the fight from happeneing. movie Prime seems to already know there is know other way and proceeds to kill everything he sees. So my vote is for Movie Prime.

These are my 2 favorite Optimus's effar! The movie one kills all! Movie Prime is THE most powerful Optimus ever, especually when he combines with jetfire, he beat the crapballs out of an indestructible robot in 2 minutes!

A bit of a better assessment of what both Primes have in the weapons category.

G1 Optimus Prime Default Armaments:

-Ion Blaster Rifle

-Energon Axe

-Optical energy beams*

-Hand palm energy beams**

*Seen in "Divide and Conquer"

**Seen in "Heavy Metal War"

Movie Prime Default Armaments

-Ion Blaster cannons x2

-Retractable shoulder mounted barrage cannons x2*

-Energon hooks x2

-Prime Blades x2

*Refer to "Transformers: The Movie Universe" guidebook for more info, they are the oil tankers on his shoulders

Varia31 wrote:-Energon hooks x2

-Prime Blades x2

The hooks are just the badly damaged blades.

At first I wanted to go with Movie Prime because of his brutality, BUT movie Prime seems to be less durable, and has less armor. Also, his gun seems to be less effective, while G1 Prime can take out decepticons with a few shots.

Chaoslock wrote:

Varia31 wrote:-Energon hooks x2

-Prime Blades x2

The hooks are just the badly damaged blades.

No there not. The hooks are seperate. Optimus threw 1 blade at Grindor's leg and lodged another one into Megatron's leg.

Chaoslock wrote:

Varia31 wrote:-Energon hooks x2

-Prime Blades x2

The hooks are just the badly damaged blades.

At first I wanted to go with Movie Prime because of his brutality, BUT movie Prime seems to be less durable, and has less armor. Also, his gun seems to be less effective, while G1 Prime can take out decepticons with a few shots.

Actually, he uses them separately at the beginning of RoTF to cut off his parachutes.

G1 prime could take more damage, but Movie prime is more vicious..

G1 prime. why? hes got a trailer that magically disappears. And can toss huge ships. lets see bayverse prime do those things

Name_Violation wrote:G1 prime could take more damage, but Movie prime is more vicious..

G1 prime. why? hes got a trailer that magically disappears. And can toss huge ships. lets see bayverse prime do those things

Exactly, that's one of G1's biggest assets. The strength thing that is. No other Prime has yet to do something as amazingly epic as throw a frigate!

Movieverse Prime is indeed very vicious, and shouldn't be taken lightly. To me, movie Prime vs. G1 Prime is sort of a stale-mate, it depends on whether G1 comes up with a good way to win out or puts some of that strength to use, or if movie Prime manages to get to G1's face or cuts away with his hooks and blades.

G1 animated Transformers just seem to have a much higher damage threshold than the movie Transformers. In the movie, we could damage them and probably even ultimately kill Decepticons. Yes, we'd have to do a zerg rush, but it was possible.

G1? We had to ally ourselves with the Autobots, or else. I've always felt G1 Prime's like movie Prime in the 'viciousness' bit. see 'War Dawn' where he just mows down Megatron's soldiers. And the scene in the 86 movie. When humans aren't around, beware Optimus...

After all, see movie Prime get his skidplates handed to him in the 2007 movie in Mission City.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:G1 animated Transformers just seem to have a much higher damage threshold than the movie Transformers. In the movie, we could damage them and probably even ultimately kill Decepticons. Yes, we'd have to do a zerg rush, but it was possible.

G1? We had to ally ourselves with the Autobots, or else. I've always felt G1 Prime's like movie Prime in the 'viciousness' bit. see 'War Dawn' where he just mows down Megatron's soldiers. And the scene in the 86 movie. When humans aren't around, beware Optimus...

After all, see movie Prime get his skidplates handed to him in the 2007 movie in Mission City.

I have seen "War Dawn", great episode by the way, it was definitely an epic moment when Optimus first stepped foot on the battle field, the guy was untouchable.

As for movie Prime getting his skidplate handed to him in the '07 movie, in my opinion, he was holding back, plus, in the two years of Megs' absence after the battle of Mission City, Prime had been fighting the 'Cons during that time frame, and possibly improved a little. If you watch carefully in the background when the soldiers mark Blackout with the laser pointer, you see Optimus get a few good hits on Megs, and once Blackout shoots his EMP cannon, watch in the background again, and you'll see Optimus counter one of Megs' blows with a well placed uppercut that sends him reeling.

Movie Prime all in all did a decent job at fighting Megs in the first movie, but in Revenge of The Fallen, where he cuts loose in the forest battle, Megs, 'Screamer, and Grindor got the crap beat out of them, Optimus even killing Grindor. One-on-one, when Prime is cutting loose, and him also being a more advanced Prime model, Megatron is rather easily dealt with, not that he can't put up a fight, but Optimus is just superior by a long shot.

This is still a rather tough match-up for me, which is why I suggested it. I'm sort of leaning towards movie Prime, but only because of how out right of a killer he is. I still can't quite make up my mind, because they're both my favorite Prime incarnations.

Varia31 wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:

Varia31 wrote:-Energon hooks x2

-Prime Blades x2

The hooks are just the badly damaged blades.

At first I wanted to go with Movie Prime because of his brutality, BUT movie Prime seems to be less durable, and has less armor. Also, his gun seems to be less effective, while G1 Prime can take out decepticons with a few shots.

Actually, he uses them separately at the beginning of RoTF to cut off his parachutes.

Prime's Energon blades can be altered in how he forms them is all. The transformers in the movie verse can shift around their parts quite bit. We see Megatron turn his hand into a device to hold down Sam, and then into a long sword looking cannon.

I'd say Movie prime beats out G1 prime in terms of durability. He gets smacked around a heck of alot more before dying. G1 prime is defeated in short order on several occasions. In more than meets the eye, he gets rocked by an explosion. In city of steel he gets easily captured and cut to pieces by the constructicons. While G1 has times where he seems infallible, there's just as many episodes he is on the ropes.

G1 Prime though has better strength feats. Movie Prime is strong, but nothing shows he's quite as strong as G1 prime. This one area atm G1 prime seems to be better in.

I'd ultimately pick Movie Prime, as he seems more suited to fighting, and hesitates less. He understands it's war, and does whatever he needs to. He probably would have killed Megatron in the same position he was in during the 86 film. Atleast after Rotf anyways. May be not in the first film as he was holding back against Megatron. Between his former relationship, and them fighting in a crowded city prime wasn't going all out like in the forest battle.)

They re very close, as their personalities aren't all that different. I wouldn't be offended seeing either defeat the other though.

Lastjustice wrote:Prime's Energon blades can be altered in how he forms them is all. The transformers in the movie verse can shift around their parts quite bit. We see Megatron turn his hand into a device to hold down Sam, and then into a long sword looking cannon.

I'd say Movie prime beats out G1 prime in terms of durability. He gets smacked around a heck of alot more before dying. G1 prime is defeated in short order on several occasions. In more than meets the eye, he gets rocked by an explosion. In city of steel he gets easily captured and cut to pieces by the constructicons. While G1 has times where he seems infallible, there's just as many episodes he is on the ropes.

G1 Prime though has better strength feats. Movie Prime is strong, but nothing shows he's quite as strong as G1 prime. This one area atm G1 prime seems to be better in.

I'd ultimately pick Movie Prime, as he seems more suited to fighting, and hesitates less. He understands it's war, and does whatever he needs to. He probably would have killed Megatron in the same position he was in during the 86 film. Atleast after Rotf anyways. May be not in the first film as he was holding back against Megatron. Between his former relationship, and them fighting in a crowded city prime wasn't going all out like in the forest battle.)

They re very close, as their personalities aren't all that different. I wouldn't be offended seeing either defeat the other though.

During the forest battle, at the part where Prime uses Starscream to spin around in circles, watch closely, and you'll see that Prime actually detaches and throws one his swords at Grindor's leg, then not long after, he uses two hooks to kill Grindor, which is why I believe that they're separate. But yes, movieverse TFs, especially the 'Cons and Prime, are heavily armed to whatever qualifies as their metal teeth, and have all sorts of reconfigurations to their parts and weaponry. I appreciate your opinion, well said. Thanks.

During the forest battle, at the part where Prime uses Starscream to spin around in circles, watch closely, and you'll see that Prime actually detaches and throws one his swords at Grindor's leg, then not long after, he uses two hooks to kill Grindor, which is why I believe that they're separate. But yes, movieverse TFs, especially the 'Cons and Prime, are heavily armed to whatever qualifies as their metal teeth, and have all sorts of reconfigurations to their parts and weaponry. I appreciate your opinion, well said. Thanks.

Given he switches freely between both functions on the fly, I don't see why he'd have two sets of parts. It would be a waste of space. Given their energon(which probably burns up alot of his energy doing it, while he normally doesn't whip out both swords.), he likely can just alter their shape to a degree. Think like a light saber handle, which he can project energon thru to form different things. He stabs megatron with them repeatedly during the fight, while leaving them in him. We see him pull out the sword again when he fights the fallen, so not like he lost them.

Lastjustice wrote:Given he switches freely between both functions on the fly, I don't see why he'd have two sets of parts. It would be a waste of space. Given their energon(which probably burns up alot of his energy doing it, while he normally doesn't whip out both swords.), he likely can just alter their shape to a degree. Think like a light saber handle, which he can project energon thru to form different things. He stabs megatron with them repeatedly during the fight, while leaving them in him. We see him pull out the sword again when he fights the fallen, so not like he lost them.

Good point my friend, very good point.

I respect your very polite responses Varia31. On the web, courtesy is a lacking virtue. With all the waves of ad hominem attacks, it's nice to see. /salute

Lastjustice wrote:I respect your very polite responses Varia31. On the web, courtesy is a lacking virtue. With all the waves of ad hominem attacks, it's nice to see. /salute

I do my best to respect peoples' opinions, and debate logically. I agree with you on that aspect as well. It seems to be a lost virtue anymore.

I've got to say G1 Prime, and not to take anything away from Movie Prime. Sure, Movie Prime did all of that stuff listed above, but G1 Prime repeatedly and routinely took on numerous Decepticons at once, mainly because it seems the rest of the Autobots were all so innept. In the 86 movie, Prime shows up an puts down every Decepticon he comes up against except Megatron. Sure, movie Prime fought three Cons at once and did pretty well against them, but he lost. Megatron in 86 basically cheap shots his way to a victory.

I'm anti-Prime to begin with, but G1 Prime would probably win. Even in TFTM 2007, Prime was getting pasted by Megatron, who had just woken up after x-trillion years of being frozen. Even if he let himself get beaten up in order to buy Sam time to get the cube, he was still getting beaten pretty badly. Sure the G1 Cons were equally as innept as the G1 Autobots, but seriously, G1 Prime was knocking out a dozen or so Decepticons every episode. Movie Prime's not a lightweight by any means, but I side with the original.

Yeah, I'm not taking away from movie Prime either. He's fifty kinds of awesome... it's just G1 Optimus is fifty-five kinds of awesome.

That explosion that knocked him down the hill in MTMTE was powerful enough to collapse the interior of a mountain. And he got hit by a big chunk of it. Ultimately, all it did was strip some of his transformation gears.

Sure, movie Prime fought three Cons at once and did pretty well against them, but he lost. Megatron in 86 basically cheap shots his way to a victory.

Which is only reason Movie Prime lost was Megatron cheap shotted him. Prime was too busy looking for Sam, as he otherwise disabled Starscream, and killed Grindor, Prime could have easily continue pounding on Megatron for a few more moments for back up to have arrived if he wasn't distracted. I fail see how it was any different.


Which Movie Megatron was much more powerful than G1 Megatron. He survived far more damage,He took everything Prime hit him with during the Forest battle, and functioned just fine. He took barrage of fire, and ran thru huge explosion to kill Sam. Prime might dealt with him quickly at the end, but was after him being banged up so much, but he still survived.

Lastjustice wrote:

Sure, movie Prime fought three Cons at once and did pretty well against them, but he lost. Megatron in 86 basically cheap shots his way to a victory.

Which is only reason Movie Prime lost was Megatron cheap shotted him. Prime was too busy looking for Sam, as he otherwise disabled Starscream, and killed Grindor, Prime could have easily continue pounding on Megatron for a few more moments for back up to have arrived if he wasn't distracted. I fail see how it was any different.

I don't understand. What I was saying is that live action movie Prime lost after/while fighting three Decepticons. 86, animated movie Prime lost after more or less at least shooting at essentailly every Decepticon who came to the battle of Autobot City. In 86, MEgatron flat out beat Prime, since PRime's biggest physical interaction with any of the Cons prior to fighting Megatron was ramming into them. Megatron did cheapshot 86 Prime, but Megatron had been fighting all night, and Prime was all kindsa cracked and beaten up after a handful of minutes fighting with Megatron.
As for movie, live action Prime being beaten up by MEgatron, I meant the first live action movie. Sorry for any confusion there, but I wasn't refering to Revenge of the Fallen at all. I know in ROTF PRime does a better job of fighting than he did in the first movie. 07 movie Megatron was pasting Optimus, and while certainly this is an appropriate time to play the "Prime didn't want innocent people to die" card (Lundgren, Dolph. "Masters of the Universe." 1987.)[Sorry, ok? Just a little citation humor... ], he wasn't visibly trying to draw Megatron out of the city or whatnot. Sure, he may have wanted to do so, but wanting and doing are two different things, like I want a sandwich right now, but I'm not doing anything to make it a reality. So, it's nice that I want it, but it doens't amount to anything since I'm not doing it.

I'm not bashing the movie, or movie Prime, as I said before. I don't care for the movies, but I'm not the "F all of you who do like themm111!!!!!!!" sort. MAybe that would be a better fantasy battle topic, in reality. I have never been a fan of Optimus Prime. I'm sorry for having a different opinion. But there is a pretty visible difference between 07 movie Prime how was getting whupped by Megatron and 86 movie Prime who essentailly knocks down every Decepticon and then goes head to head with Megatron and holds his own pretty well until he's cheapshotted. Again, I don't like Prime. When they say kids cried in 86 when Prime was killed, they do not refer to me.

LastJustice wrote:Which Movie Megatron was much more powerful than G1 Megatron. He survived far more damage,He took everything Prime hit him with during the Forest battle, and functioned just fine. He took barrage of fire, and ran thru huge explosion to kill Sam. Prime might dealt with him quickly at the end, but was after him being banged up so much, but he still survived.

But the same can be said about 86 Megatron. Megatron fought all night at Autobot City, and in the end, although he was really pasting Prime, he needed a lucky circumstance in order to win. ROTF Megatron may have held up during the forest battle and all the other things you mention, and he did, but 86 Megatron had already been in battle for an extended period of time, against numerous oppnents, and was still looking fine when Prime eventually finds him. Explosion? Megatron was standing there when that catapult thing pelted Devestator, and while no, he was not the ground zero target of the shelling, he must have been hit with some like, backblast or whatever you want to call it/it is actually called. ROTF Megatron was dispatched quickly by Prime at the end of the movie? Alright, but wasn't that some expanse of time after the forest battle? I'm asking seriously, because I've only seen the movie once, and don't really remember. How is ROTF Megatron more durable when he had time to repair or regenerate or whatnot, while 86 Megatron went from an overnight battle, preceeded by fighting on the shuttle, and then right into a fight with Prime?

If I may say so, and this is more or less an aside, but I think that the pervasive thought has become that disagreement about the movies has become an issue of being 'right' rather than actually being correct. In my choice of G1 Prime over 07/09 Prime, I am not denegrating the live action movies. I didn't like them, so what? Just in case anyone thinks like, I'm trying to cast a negative light on movieverse Prime or am stuck in the past because I still like the old stuff, I'm not. I thought I had a pretty reasonable opinion, and just wanted to share it.

Dagon wrote:If I may say so, and this is more or less an aside, but I think that the pervasive thought has become that disagreement about the movies has become an issue of being 'right' rather than actually being correct. In my choice of G1 Prime over 07/09 Prime, I am not denegrating the live action movies. I didn't like them, so what? Just in case anyone thinks like, I'm trying to cast a negative light on movieverse Prime or am stuck in the past because I still like the old stuff, I'm not. I thought I had a pretty reasonable opinion, and just wanted to share it.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Dagon, I respect your thoughts, and appreciate your say in the matter. And I'm glad that you're also trying to debate with logic. Thank you.

SlyTF1 wrote:These are my 2 favorite Optimus's effar! The movie one kills all! Movie Prime is THE most powerful Optimus ever, especually when he combines with jetfire, he beat the crapballs out of an indestructible robot in 2 minutes!

When OP combines with Jetfire, Voltron came to my mind when I was watching . Wonder why...

Varia31 wrote:

Dagon wrote:If I may say so, and this is more or less an aside, but I think that the pervasive thought has become that disagreement about the movies has become an issue of being 'right' rather than actually being correct. In my choice of G1 Prime over 07/09 Prime, I am not denegrating the live action movies. I didn't like them, so what? Just in case anyone thinks like, I'm trying to cast a negative light on movieverse Prime or am stuck in the past because I still like the old stuff, I'm not. I thought I had a pretty reasonable opinion, and just wanted to share it.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Dagon, I respect your thoughts, and appreciate your say in the matter. And I'm glad that you're also trying to debate with logic. Thank you.

Just as a matter of my own defence, and maybe clarifying something that bugs me, I generally do, and always try, to say logical and intelligent things. Because I have stated that I don't care for the live action movies, I am often lumped in with the people who post about killing or injuring Bay because of what he's 'done' to the franchise. I dont know why people feel the need to climb on me about that, I dont say those things. I just don't like the movies, and I don't believe that they saved a franchise which wasn't dying in the first place. But, I don't know, maybe I'm everyone's last straw, you know? I'm always trying to be logical, and thank you for noticing.

Dagon wrote:Just as a matter of my own defence, and maybe clarifying something that bugs me, I generally do, and always try, to say logical and intelligent things. Because I have stated that I don't care for the live action movies, I am often lumped in with the people who post about killing or injuring Bay because of what he's 'done' to the franchise. I dont know why people feel the need to climb on me about that, I dont say those things. I just don't like the movies, and I don't believe that they saved a franchise which wasn't dying in the first place. But, I don't know, maybe I'm everyone's last straw, you know? I'm always trying to be logical, and thank you for noticing.

You're welcome, debating with logic is what I like. And I understand the fact that you didn't much care for the live action films, not everyone does, just a fact. They aren't the greatest movies ever made, I do like the first one the most as of right now in contrast to its sequel, but there are plenty of better movies out there. And not everyone is going to be head-over-heels for Optimus either, he's an icon, but not everyone will like him. It's your point of view, and you deserve your right to have your say in the matter, you can trust the fact that I won't flame you for no good reason, my good sir, I do my best to avoid flaming people altogether.