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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:With Thor involved, it IS a fight to the death. Everyone in Norse Mythology, including Loki, follows the strict rule of "Don't mess around with Thor if you enjoy keeping your body parts attached."

Thats an over statement.

No it isn't. After Geirrod tried to kill him, Thor killed Geirrod, Geirrod's daughters, and then every giant Thor could find in the area. Thor did not have his usual equipment on him at the time.

Another Giant (Essentially Norse Decepticons, for those who don't know) tricked Thor, Loki, and a few of their companions to a series of contests, rigged in the Giant's favor. After Thor and his group lost all of them, one of which resulting in the beginning of tidal changes, the Giant admitted what he had done, as well as admitting he was horrified by their efforts, and promised never to risk coming anywhere near Thor in particular.

After a Giant King had stolen Mjolnir, promising to give it back as long as Freyja married him, Thor was forced to dress up like a woman (I would not criticize you for laughing) and take her place. Once Loki had talked the King into giving Mjolnir to "Freyja" Thor immediately proceeded to slaughter every single giant there. The Giants realized then decided to never steal Mjolnir again.

Three stories where the antagonists learn that Thor is not someone worth screwing around with, or are too dead to have learned this lesson. For example, in Lokasenna, Loki spends quite some time and effort personally insulting each and every God and Goddess at a party, but leaves after Thor threatens to decapitate him, because he knows from personal experience how Thor responds to personal slights.

I think I got carried away, but my point still stands, no one messes with Thor and gets away with it.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:With Thor involved, it IS a fight to the death. Everyone in Norse Mythology, including Loki, follows the strict rule of "Don't mess around with Thor if you enjoy keeping your body parts attached."

Thats an over statement.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

And I dont mean to sound rude but theres very little about the Thor of myth I dont know.

Loki has tricked and fooled Thor countless times and yet he lives [barring Ragnorock]

Thor wrestled the old woman Elli [old age personified],lost and left humiliated....but no one was killed.

Hymir knocked Thor off a boat on a fishing contest trip....and yet he lived.

Another Giant (Essentially Norse Decepticons, for those who don't know) tricked Thor, Loki, and a few of their companions to a series of contests, rigged in the Giant's favor. After Thor and his group lost all of them, one of which resulting in the beginning of tidal changes, the Giant admitted what he had done, as well as admitting he was horrified by their efforts, and promised never to risk coming anywhere near Thor in particular.

And yet Skrymir lived.

I think I got carried away, but my point still stands, no one messes with Thor and gets away with it.

No your point doesnt stand at all.

Your point was....

Shadowman wrote:With Thor involved, it IS a fight to the death.

As as even one of your stories pointed out....he doesn't always kill his adversary.

Thor is more then capable of entering a challenge that does not require a death.

Shadowman wrote: there's no conclusive evidence on which of the world's many, many religions is right.

My bet is none of them. Religion is onyl around to promote false beings and fuel pointless war for money and power.

As for Jesus loving me, after what I've been through in my life, I highly doubt that. If there is a god and his son "up there" hopefully I do get to be "judged" by them when the time comes, because I have a thing or two to tell those assholes.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote: there's no conclusive evidence on which of the world's many, many religions is right.

My bet is none of them. Religion is onyl around to promote false beings and fuel pointless war for money and power.

No. Religion and faith is around to give people direction and guidance and make them better as people. It's only human beings who fail at that last part and try to kill each other because they don't worship the same way.

Religion isn't violent, humans are.

Shadowman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote: there's no conclusive evidence on which of the world's many, many religions is right.

My bet is none of them. Religion is onyl around to promote false beings and fuel pointless war for money and power.

No. Religion and faith is around to give people direction and guidance and make them better as people. It's only human beings who fail at that last part and try to kill each other because they don't worship the same way.

Religion isn't violent, humans are.

You're right, I was wrong. I agree that faith is to be used as a tool to help a person better him/herself, but religion, especially organized religion, is a promotion of false superficial beings such as Jesus (yeah, there may have been a man named Jesus around 2000 years ago who did a lot of good, and had this legend based on him, but he was just a man, nothing more) and Muhammad and a tool keep people apart and fuel disagreements and differences which manifest in war.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I agree that faith is to be used as a tool to help a person better him/herself, but religion, especially organized religion, is a promotion of false superficial beings such as Jesus (yeah, there may have been a man named Jesus around 2000 years ago who did a lot of good, and had this legend based on him, but he was just a man, nothing more) and Muhammad

Well we don't know how false it is, do we? There's a similarity between Atheism and Religion, and that's that both have faith regarding God. Atheism has faith that God doesn't exist, but they confuse this with knowledge; because they haven't seen it, it can't exist. I'm Agnostic, because I haven't seen it, because I haven't died, I can't make an accurate prediction of what happens after death.

Rodimus Prime wrote:and a tool keep people apart and fuel disagreements and differences which manifest in war.

Again, this isn't the fault of any particular religion, it's there to make people better as I said. It's humans who think they're way of believing is the correct way and feel the need to force others into believing that way too. Humans are violent, but not because of religion.

Hey, remember when this used to be Fantasy Battles? Because I think it just became the Philosopher's Forum 3.0.

Shadowman wrote:I'm Agnostic, because I haven't seen it, because I haven't died, I can't make an accurate prediction of what happens after death.

OK, I'm willing to go with that, it's logical. I will admit, I'm just a little pissed off at how my life had turned out and guess who I'm blaming? Yes, I contributed to it in negative ways, but when I was 10 and my family was torn apart my life just went downhill from there. Not all in my control. Anyway, on topic (of sorts) no one can say for sure whether God exists or not. Unless they died and came back, which is also something everyone else will have to wait and find out on their own. Then again, if I am blaming the "powers that be" it must mean i believe in them, doesn't it? OK, I'm just a little messed up spiritually...and in the head.

Rodimus Prime wrote:and a tool keep people apart and fuel disagreements and differences which manifest in war.

Again, this isn't the fault of any particular religion, it's there to make people better as I said. It's humans who think they're way of believing is the correct way and feel the need to force others into believing that way too. Humans are violent, but not because of religion.

Hey, remember when this used to be Fantasy Battles? Because I think it just became the Philosopher's Forum 3.0.

Yeah...

Anyway...Thor wins.

Shadowman wrote:Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't Jesus a non-fighter? That said, fighting is about all that Thor is good at. That, along drinking and sex.

I have to say Thor, with his hammer and his love of fighting and his epic beard win this one.

Remember Jesus turned the tables and made a whip in the temple and drove the money changers out.

"HOW DARE YOU TURN MY FATHER'S HOUSE INTO A DEN OF THIEVES!!!"

Lazarus81 wrote:First off, JESUS had a beard and he was a carpenter, I'm sure he had a few hammers.

Jesus is the son of the real God that has billions of followers. Not like Thor who is

a comic charcter and just has you guys as his followers.

Besides Thor gets his butt kicked every time I see him. (Hulk & Ironman)

Even if Thor was real he wouldn't be worthy of even cleaning the Lord JESUS feet.

Shoot, I could probably beat Thor's butt if Bruce Wayan gave me a few fighting lessons.

On a serous note JESUS LOVES you.

STAR SCREAM rules

first off Jesus cleaned the disciples feet and (according to Christianity) is the Son of God so He acted as the servant. He came as the Lamb of God. And people like you give Christians a bad name. I know a lot of Christians are prideful, selfish and carry a scent of arrogance around them, but the Bible teaches against such actions. If Christians were as devoted to their religion as the Jewish or Islamic, and really "lived it" then they wouldn't get such a bad rap. Oh and you insult people and then say "JESUS LOVES you" What the HECK!?!??!

(Darn GEEWUN your starting to sound like a teenage Billy Grahm...)

Jesus wouldn't need to fight.He would just shoot some godly powers and he would die.

reptileman wrote:Jesus wouldn't need to fight.He would just shoot some godly powers and he would die.

One could say the opposite.

Jesus Christ Super Star! Came down from Heaven on a Yamaha! Etc.

Thor bottom. Very Thor. Need ointment.