The Energon Pub

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:23 am

see i'd like the opposite of what merc said. still get normal xp, but you can wager unspent xp. adds a new dynamic, still have to fight opponents of same level or teams whose combined level equals your teams total levels.

i know this all wont exactly balance, but ideas are IDEAS.

put a level diff cap or something. even removing the normal xp gained, you only get whts gambled makes exploiting it harder if thats a concern. level 0's wpuld have to have xp to gain from, kepping from getting to fight for free, or with a horrible build to feed xp, they'd have to win missions to get xp to battle with or actually win in the arena...

also, hate to say it, i agree with burn idea for the most part.
(burn, i dont dislike you, but I'm still aimin for a rivalry)

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:28 am

I don't know what it might be these days, but the original intention from the original programmer was that missions would be THE core part of the game.

The Arena was NEVER meant to be the popular little thing that it is.

Hence why many of us have floated the idea of it being replaced with a Challenge Arena, with no xp being earnt, so that people would HAVE to play in missions to earn xp.

by **Loki God Of Mischief** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:39 am

Dear Burn,

You're awesome. Don't evar change.

Signed,

Merc With A Mouth

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:46 am

but why just gain, whith no chance of cost.
there should be a way to lose xp.

gambeling would the funnest way to lose xp.

we wouldnt work if aslong as we had money, things we're free.

and doing victories for bragging rites are bs. we should take things, xp, weapons, not just energon, from the loser.

make it hurt where it counts

by **Loki God Of Mischief** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:50 am

Gambling xp is a bad idea. xp isn't currency it's part of your statistics. I'd rather a glitch cause me to lose all of my Energon then all of my XP. Not to mention that once XP because something you can wager you're opening the door to cheaters. "I want to challenge my XP Generators for all their XP. Time to reset them to suck." Too easy to exploit.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:55 am

can only gamble unspent xp. only gamblers would risk it. you wouldnt do it if the gain isn't worth the risk.

additionally ANYTHING to replace battle beast gambling.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:47 am

Name_Violation wrote:can only gamble unspent xp. only gamblers would risk it. you wouldnt do it if the gain isn't worth the risk.

You know, given how hard it can be for people to earn xp ... this idea is so goddamn twisted I actually kinda like it.

by **Nickolai** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:48 am

A little more description with the weapons. Like, which ones get better with STR and whatnot.

by **Superior Soundwave** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:40 am

back to using your team together on missions/arena fights...

If you make it so that your team goes up against random enemy teams it wouldn't be nearly as easy to make a sucky team for your good team to go up against and the more people using more of their team together would cut the random chance that you bring up your team against your bad team even further...

most of the time you would probably just be making it easier for some other member of your chosen faction to win and I know at least on the Decepticon side... we don't like it when others do better than we're doing :twisted:

so other than what I see as a minute chance of exploitation (given precautions were taken) what would you have against using our teams like they were actual teams?

by **Tammuz** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:02 am

Nickolai wrote:A little more description with the weapons. Like, which ones get better with STR and whatnot.

all of them

so other than what I see as a minute chance of exploitation (given precautions were taken) what would you have against using our teams like they were actual teams?

sounds like you want additional arena......i don't.

by **BlackDiamond** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:47 am

Honestly I liked Burn and Merc's idea.

Having the arena be able to have a couple of your team fight together against another team would be neat and I like the idea of no exp being awarded for it, only a % of the money gambled.

If the programmers did this would it be possible for them to make it so you would have your team go into a default waiting pool (like we have now) unless you specifically send a challenge to another player. Some of the RPing challenges people have made in the threads are entertaining, but there is no real way for them to actually go head to head unless they luck out and land in the same mission.

by **Tammuz** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:04 pm

it's fairly easy to to go head to head in missions if both players are up for it

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:55 pm

All you need is MSN, AIM, or YIM and the mission number.

I say its extremely easy to coordinate which missions to go into

News Credits: 2 · by **Wingspan** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:09 pm

Also a little understanding of your mates time-frames let's you know when to make that 2hr window free for intentional-mission-beat downs.

Also, for the Challenge Arena, why wold the sides need to be equal? If it's meant to be a configuration tester / time killer...
- I'd want to enter my bots against my own bots
- My bot(s) against MORE opponents
- My bot(s) against DIFFERENT LEVELED opponents

Betting would need to be affected by the above (cannot bet at all on team vs team, higher rewards for unfair fights, etc.)

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:44 pm

Wingspan wrote:Also, for the Challenge Arena, why wold the sides need to be equal? If it's meant to be a configuration tester / time killer...
- I'd want to enter my bots against my own bots
- My bot(s) against MORE opponents
- My bot(s) against DIFFERENT LEVELED opponents

That was the intention.

News Credits: 2 · by **Wingspan** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:52 pm

Burn wrote:
Wingspan wrote:Also, for the Challenge Arena, why wold the sides need to be equal? If it's meant to be a configuration tester / time killer...
- I'd want to enter my bots against my own bots
- My bot(s) against MORE opponents
- My bot(s) against DIFFERENT LEVELED opponents

That was the intention.

Ah, well then - moving on.

by **The {Rage Bot}** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:35 am

I think being able to purchase XP for our transformers would be great!!!

any takes on this?

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:57 am

*rips off Dynamax's arm (with built in anti-Bruce Lee action) and beats Hellraiser44 senseless with it*

Bad idea! BAD!

News Credits: 1 · by **Absolute Zero** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:05 am

Hellraiser44 wrote:I think being able to purchase XP for our transformers would be great!!!

any takes on this?

Someone else brought this up a few pages back I believe. I think it was another Autobot player actually...

Bad idea because those with the most energon to spend are the ones with the most XP already, which would just make it easier for the haves to continue gaining.

by **Psychomud** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:46 am

Absolute Zero wrote:
Hellraiser44 wrote:I think being able to purchase XP for our transformers would be great!!!

any takes on this?

Someone else brought this up a few pages back I believe. I think it was another Autobot player actually...

Bad idea because those with the most energon to spend are the ones with the most XP already, which would just make it easier for the haves to continue gaining.

Maybe he is suggesting we spend REAL money to buy XP - not spend energon for XP.

This would bring the site more money and maybe with the influx of dough we can get the code fixes/changes we need/want done.

I'm willing to donate some big bucks for XP. :mrgreen:

In all reality though, I would like to be able to have the option to spend EXTRA energon to shorten the CR time.

Maybe pay 10 times the cost to shorten CR chamber time to half?

This way people eat up their extra energon quickly - as opposed to those who are patient/broke.

Then again make it VERY spendy to half the CR time like:
(10x(normal recharge cost)) x character level

Something that's expensive, for only a minor benefit - but could be used wisely to get a small advantage for any one of yer characters.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:09 am

Can you use money to upgrade your intelligence in the real world?

Thought not.

And yes I realise HMW isn't the real world, but again, that's giving one class of person an advantage over another.

People need to suck it up and earn xp the old fashioned way, by working for it instead of looking for easy ways out.

News Credits: 33 · by **Glyph** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:35 am

The more things change, the more they stay the same. :lol:

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:57 am

Glyph wrote:The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This place wouldn't be anything at all without the boost you gave it, good to see you around again, welcome back bud.

This just a flying visit or you gonna stick around for a bit?

News Credits: 33 · by **Glyph** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:19 am

Dunno yet. I logged in on a random impulse last night and since then I've recreated* half my old team and thrown them in a few missions, but I've no idea how long I'll be here before something else distracts me again...

Still, good to see a few old faces still around. Hope everyone's staying cool.

* Was a little surprised to see that the bullet had finally been bitten, too.

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:04 am

Glyph wrote:* Was a little surprised to see that the bullet had finally been bitten, too.

Yeah, Hurricane Ike flattened Chicago, just as the server farm in Houston died, leading to massive loss of data and most of the game needing a rebuild sending us all back to the stone age.
But as you know were a stubborn bunch and nature's not getting in the way of our war.

Hope to see you stick about, this place will be getting lively over the next month.