Noideaforaname wrote:That's the only flaw you saw? You have no problem at all with a giant planet eating robot coming out of nowhere,
No. New characters generally 'come out of nowhere' when they're first introduced.
Noideaforaname wrote:or OP pulling something that just so happens to kill the giant planet eating robot out of his chest that he happened to be holding onto the whole time?
lol Someone's either new to the fandom or never read the 80s comics. Comic Optimus always had the Matrix (although it was called the Creation Matrix and looked and functioned differently). You also forget that they started working on the movie before Season 2 was completed.
Noideaforaname wrote:Unlike the Bay movies, the '86 film had an entire show's worth of backstory to use (which if indeed they were making the movie while making the show, they could've at least hinted at)
Uh. No it didn't. It had one complete season to use. The cartoon and comic came out in 1984. Season 2 was in 1985. The movie came out in 1986. An animated movie took over a year to make back then. Meaning it was started sometime in 1984, which also means they were making Season 2 at the same times as the movie. What does that mean? There were at least two teams working on Season 2 and the movie at the same time.
Noideaforaname wrote:And a bunch of Autobots die pretty pathetically early on.
One rushed a bunch of Decepticons unarmed and got taken out by a direct hit by Megatron's gun mode. Megatron's fusion cannon is redirected to his gun barrel in gun mode and you see later in the movie that it (Megatron's fusion cannon) destroys part of a mountain.
People often complain about Prowl's death, stating that Scrapper's weapon is weak. For 1) a well aimed shot from a Derringer can kill a man and for 2) immediately after the shot connected smoke billows out from Prowl's mouth. What does that mean? It means the shot ruptured a fuel/oil/similar fluid line inside of Prowl and the liquids hit a mechanical part inside of his body. The heat then made the fluid smoke and billow out of his mouth and out of the wound when he hits the ground. In mechanical terms something important inside of Prowl was ruptured and the fluid hit something hot, what would this be equivalent of in a human? Internal bleeding.
The Decepticons take cover from the Autobot's return fire and Ratchet and Ironhide are shot multiple times not only by Megatron in gun mode wielded by Starscream but also by two of the Constructicons and Starscream's null rays. It's been proven before that mass shifting has no impact on Megatron's firepower capabilities.
Finally Ironhide takes a direct hit from Megatron's Fusion Cannon at point blank range.
Died patheticly? No. More like they were completely outmatched. Add to this the line earlier in the movie that said that the Autobots were low on power and the sequence makes sense. The only flaw in the scene is the fact that Megatron probably would have blown a hole in the floor when he killed Ironhide with his Fusion Cannon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umwZ8qVorwoNoideaforaname wrote:And Devastator is shaken apart by a couple of cassettes. (Yet humans using very real, very powerful weapons to knock him off a structure he wasn't holding onto very tightly and thus falls off, crashes, and dies is completely illogical?)
Yeah and? Bruticus was shot in the back in his weak point once and it triggered a failsafe that deactivated the Transformation. Perceptor shot Monstructor with such accuracy in IDW that it not only made them fall out of combination that it knocked them into stasis lock. Ultra Magnus used a combination of psychological warfare and pure brute force to take down Menasor in IDW with something as simple as ramming him in the head at top speed to beat them. Then there's the time that Menasor was beaten by a human who launched his car at it at top speed. Combiner doesn't mean unstoppable juggernaut. The team in question has to remain concentrated to maintain the combined state at any point, and it's been proven several times that a Combiner can be beaten in one attack, not just by other combiners (Menasor beats Bruticus with some kind of dropkick in one move in Starscream's Brigade) but by normal Transformers.
And yes it's illogical that one shot from a weapon that's still being worked on and tested killing a giant alien robot composed of smaller, but still giant alien robots. Especially considering the real Rail Guns you're talking about have slightly more damage yield than a BGM-109 Tomahawk missiles.
The United States Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division demonstrated an 8 MJ rail gun firing 3.2 kg projectiles in October 2006 as a prototype of a 64 MJ weapon to be deployed aboard Navy warships. The main problem the Navy has had with implementing a railgun cannon system is that the guns wear out due to the immense heat produced by firing. Such weapons are expected to be powerful enough to do a little more damage than a BGM-109 Tomahawk missile at a fraction of the projectile cost.[13] Since then, BAE Systems has delivered a 32 MJ prototype to the Navy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#TestsThe first movie and RotF showed that all Transformers are capable of surviving not only the heat from re-entry but the impact of slamming into the Earth at who knows how fast from freaking space. I'm pretty sure that space is higher up then 500 feet. Which is roughly how tall that pyramid is in real life.
Noideaforaname wrote:A month long writer's strike wouldn't have phased the production of the animated movie at all. Because by they can't start animating (except for trailers, as the trailer had a bunch of unused animation) until the script is completed. And they would have waited until the strike was over anyway since it was going to take over a year to make it regardless of waiting on a writers strike.
CGI takes time too, you know.
I'm not sure if movies of any sort have the luxury of waiting until a strike wraps up. I don't make movies, but I'd imagine there is a deadline for making a movie after it's been OK'd, regardless of any possible setbacks.
Sure CGI takes time, but it doesn't take over a year to make. Especially given the fact that RotF isn't completely CGI. The '86 movie was completely animated.
SlyTF1 wrote:I dont understand why the hell anyone would see a movie for the story, if you want a story, go read a f*ckin book.
... I've lost any faith I had in the younger generation with this single post. Or any generation for that matter. You go right on enjoying movies with little to no story and rocking out to Nickelback kiddo. And I'll probably continue drinking myself to death because of posts like yours.