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After hearing all sorts of these stories, I am again strengthend in my believe that I will stick with XP for a long time to come.

Jesus Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:Turn User Account Control (UAC) off NOW!

I really wouldn't trust anything called UAC.

I was thinking the same thing.

EDIT For Relevance: And in any case, I can run VLC Media Player (Which, aside from lacking a library function, kicks WinAMP's ass), Azureus, and FireFox, along with all the other programs I like to use. (Though I don't know if Photoshop 7 is compatible, but I haven't installed it yet to find out)

Most of the "popular" programs will run under Vista, some however aren't compatable with the Vista display settings and will cause Vista to revert back to the XP style while they're open.

Alright guys, (those running Vista at least). I need a little bit of help.

Lately navigating Seibertron has been some what sluggish. Like when I move my mouse over the side menu it takes what I consider too long to highlight, same with the top menu.

And by my perceptions, i'm comparing this to surfing Seibertron.com at work on XP.

Same goes with using the scroll wheel on the mouse to scroll, it seems sluggish.

So i'm wondering if any other Vista users are having this problem as well. And for the record, it's occurring in both IE and FF and it's not because of other things running as other sites move and navigate with much more ease.

My next plan of action is to uninstall the java plug-ins and do a fresh install. But if other Vista users are having the same problem then it may be a Vista compatability issue that Ryan isn't aware of.

It seems to work fine with me.

Just found this on another forum.

InsertMystifyingUsername wrote:Shadow copy - i noticed that my hard drive space was decreasing by roughly 2 GB every day. I couldn't work it out. I asked on a tech forum WTF was happening to my computer, and they said that it makes back ups of all material you delete in case you want to recover it later on.

I do not know how to disable this feature, but i do know how to clear the "cache", which is in

Start - programs - accessories - system tools - disk clean up - Files from all users on this computer - more options - system restore and shadow copies.

System restore points I can understand, but shadow copies? That's what the recycle bin is for!

Just found myself an extra 15gb of space!

Burn wrote:Alright guys, (those running Vista at least). I need a little bit of help.

Lately navigating Seibertron has been some what sluggish. Like when I move my mouse over the side menu it takes what I consider too long to highlight, same with the top menu.

And by my perceptions, i'm comparing this to surfing Seibertron.com at work on XP.

Same goes with using the scroll wheel on the mouse to scroll, it seems sluggish.

So i'm wondering if any other Vista users are having this problem as well. And for the record, it's occurring in both IE and FF and it's not because of other things running as other sites move and navigate with much more ease.

My next plan of action is to uninstall the java plug-ins and do a fresh install. But if other Vista users are having the same problem then it may be a Vista compatability issue that Ryan isn't aware of.

It's running okay for me.

And thanks for the thing on how to get rid of Shadow Copies. Just freed myself about ten gigabytes.

Well thats now just another reason why I hate this operating system. I just regained 13gb of storage. And it's only been a week since I've had this thing up and running!

Holy crap! That shadow copy thing is weird. I can't believe it'd start eating up space like that.


I knew I'd hate Vista ever since Microsoft announced they would only be releasing Halo 2 on Vista and not XP. I knew it then, right then and there, that I'd hate Vista, because to play one of my favorite franchises, I'd have to get a new goddamn computer!

I did a quick search before bed last night on Shadow Copy.

Looks like it's directly integrated into System Restore. Only way to turn off SC is to turn off SR and i've never trusted Windows enough to do that.

Of course the BIG setback is it seems you can no longer set a limit on how much hard drive space SR uses. Unless that's an option buried deep.

Pontimax 01 wrote:Holy crap! That shadow copy thing is weird. I can't believe it'd start eating up space like that.


I knew I'd hate Vista ever since Microsoft announced they would only be releasing Halo 2 on Vista and not XP. I knew it then, right then and there, that I'd hate Vista, because to play one of my favorite franchises, I'd have to get a new goddamn computer!

None of this post makes sense. You hate Vista, for something that wasn't Vista's fault? For something that was more Bungie Studio's and Microsoft Game Studio's fault?

Just so you know, the Microsoft section that made Vista didn't know/intend/care about the fact that Bungie and Microsoft Games wanted their product on a better OS.

EDIT: That's like saying I hate Gears of War, because it's on Xbox 360, and not regular Xbox.

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Holy crap! That shadow copy thing is weird. I can't believe it'd start eating up space like that.


I knew I'd hate Vista ever since Microsoft announced they would only be releasing Halo 2 on Vista and not XP. I knew it then, right then and there, that I'd hate Vista, because to play one of my favorite franchises, I'd have to get a new goddamn computer!

None of this post makes sense. You hate Vista, for something that wasn't Vista's fault? For something that was more Bungie Studio's and Microsoft Game Studio's fault?

Just so you know, the Microsoft section that made Vista didn't know/intend/care about the fact that Bungie and Microsoft Games wanted their product on a better OS.

EDIT: That's like saying I hate Gears of War, because it's on Xbox 360, and not regular Xbox.

It makes perfect sense really. Halo 2 was out on Xbox for more then a year and a half, maybe two before they announced the PC version. But then the announcement came that it would only launch with Vista, probably hoping to give Vista a good game vehicle to drive more sales. I for one don't want to replace all my equipment just because Microsoft chose to be ignorant and withhold the game for so very long so they could help their upcoming product. Hence, it does make sense. Maybe I should have said I hated Microsoft to be more clear, but Vista can still kiss off.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Holy crap! That shadow copy thing is weird. I can't believe it'd start eating up space like that.


I knew I'd hate Vista ever since Microsoft announced they would only be releasing Halo 2 on Vista and not XP. I knew it then, right then and there, that I'd hate Vista, because to play one of my favorite franchises, I'd have to get a new goddamn computer!

None of this post makes sense. You hate Vista, for something that wasn't Vista's fault? For something that was more Bungie Studio's and Microsoft Game Studio's fault?

Just so you know, the Microsoft section that made Vista didn't know/intend/care about the fact that Bungie and Microsoft Games wanted their product on a better OS.

EDIT: That's like saying I hate Gears of War, because it's on Xbox 360, and not regular Xbox.

It makes perfect sense really. Halo 2 was out on Xbox for more then a year and a half, maybe two before they announced the PC version. But then the announcement came that it would only launch with Vista, probably hoping to give Vista a good game vehicle to drive more sales. I for one don't want to replace all my equipment just because Microsoft chose to be ignorant and withhold the game for so very long so they could help their upcoming product. Hence, it does make sense. Maybe I should have said I hated Microsoft to be more clear, but Vista can still kiss off.

The Vista Developers didn't have anything to do with this. I don't know why you think that. I also don't know why you think Microsoft is just one company.

If you want to blame someone, blame Microsoft Game Studios and Bungie.

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Holy crap! That shadow copy thing is weird. I can't believe it'd start eating up space like that.


I knew I'd hate Vista ever since Microsoft announced they would only be releasing Halo 2 on Vista and not XP. I knew it then, right then and there, that I'd hate Vista, because to play one of my favorite franchises, I'd have to get a new goddamn computer!

None of this post makes sense. You hate Vista, for something that wasn't Vista's fault? For something that was more Bungie Studio's and Microsoft Game Studio's fault?

Just so you know, the Microsoft section that made Vista didn't know/intend/care about the fact that Bungie and Microsoft Games wanted their product on a better OS.

EDIT: That's like saying I hate Gears of War, because it's on Xbox 360, and not regular Xbox.

It makes perfect sense really. Halo 2 was out on Xbox for more then a year and a half, maybe two before they announced the PC version. But then the announcement came that it would only launch with Vista, probably hoping to give Vista a good game vehicle to drive more sales. I for one don't want to replace all my equipment just because Microsoft chose to be ignorant and withhold the game for so very long so they could help their upcoming product. Hence, it does make sense. Maybe I should have said I hated Microsoft to be more clear, but Vista can still kiss off.

The Vista Developers didn't have anything to do with this. I don't know why you think that. I also don't know why you think Microsoft is just one company.

If you want to blame someone, blame Microsoft Game Studios and Bungie.

I also don't see why you're being so argumentive? The decisions were made, and they all bear the Microsoft label, so I blame them. Get over it.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Holy crap! That shadow copy thing is weird. I can't believe it'd start eating up space like that.


I knew I'd hate Vista ever since Microsoft announced they would only be releasing Halo 2 on Vista and not XP. I knew it then, right then and there, that I'd hate Vista, because to play one of my favorite franchises, I'd have to get a new goddamn computer!

None of this post makes sense. You hate Vista, for something that wasn't Vista's fault? For something that was more Bungie Studio's and Microsoft Game Studio's fault?

Just so you know, the Microsoft section that made Vista didn't know/intend/care about the fact that Bungie and Microsoft Games wanted their product on a better OS.

EDIT: That's like saying I hate Gears of War, because it's on Xbox 360, and not regular Xbox.

It makes perfect sense really. Halo 2 was out on Xbox for more then a year and a half, maybe two before they announced the PC version. But then the announcement came that it would only launch with Vista, probably hoping to give Vista a good game vehicle to drive more sales. I for one don't want to replace all my equipment just because Microsoft chose to be ignorant and withhold the game for so very long so they could help their upcoming product. Hence, it does make sense. Maybe I should have said I hated Microsoft to be more clear, but Vista can still kiss off.

The Vista Developers didn't have anything to do with this. I don't know why you think that. I also don't know why you think Microsoft is just one company.

If you want to blame someone, blame Microsoft Game Studios and Bungie.

I also don't see why you're being so argumentive? The decisions were made, and they all bear the Microsoft label, so I blame them. Get over it.

So does XP. You blame that, too?

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Holy crap! That shadow copy thing is weird. I can't believe it'd start eating up space like that.


I knew I'd hate Vista ever since Microsoft announced they would only be releasing Halo 2 on Vista and not XP. I knew it then, right then and there, that I'd hate Vista, because to play one of my favorite franchises, I'd have to get a new goddamn computer!

None of this post makes sense. You hate Vista, for something that wasn't Vista's fault? For something that was more Bungie Studio's and Microsoft Game Studio's fault?

Just so you know, the Microsoft section that made Vista didn't know/intend/care about the fact that Bungie and Microsoft Games wanted their product on a better OS.

EDIT: That's like saying I hate Gears of War, because it's on Xbox 360, and not regular Xbox.

It makes perfect sense really. Halo 2 was out on Xbox for more then a year and a half, maybe two before they announced the PC version. But then the announcement came that it would only launch with Vista, probably hoping to give Vista a good game vehicle to drive more sales. I for one don't want to replace all my equipment just because Microsoft chose to be ignorant and withhold the game for so very long so they could help their upcoming product. Hence, it does make sense. Maybe I should have said I hated Microsoft to be more clear, but Vista can still kiss off.

The Vista Developers didn't have anything to do with this. I don't know why you think that. I also don't know why you think Microsoft is just one company.

If you want to blame someone, blame Microsoft Game Studios and Bungie.

I also don't see why you're being so argumentive? The decisions were made, and they all bear the Microsoft label, so I blame them. Get over it.

Then I blame Sony because they aren't releasing Devil May Cry 4 on PS2.

All of it, too. Electronics, Music, Movies, everything that's Sony, I blame for DMC4.

Shadowman wrote:
Then I blame Sony because they aren't releasing Devil May Cry 4 on PS2.

All of it, too. Electronics, Music, Movies, everything that's Sony, I blame for DMC4.

Good for you then. Yay.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:
Then I blame Sony because they aren't releasing Devil May Cry 4 on PS2.

All of it, too. Electronics, Music, Movies, everything that's Sony, I blame for DMC4.

Good for you then. Yay.

I supposed the subtlety is lost on you, then.

You can't blame all of Microsoft (Including Computer software, Publishing, Research and development, Computer hardware, AND Video games) for something only one section did.

Shadowman wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:
Then I blame Sony because they aren't releasing Devil May Cry 4 on PS2.

All of it, too. Electronics, Music, Movies, everything that's Sony, I blame for DMC4.

Good for you then. Yay.

I supposed the subtlety is lost on you, then.

You can't blame all of Microsoft (Including Computer software, Publishing, Research and development, Computer hardware, AND Video games) for something only one section did.

I suppose you DON'T get it. I WILL and CAN blame whomever I want and you ARE NOT going to change my feelings, so give it up dude. Arguing about it just idiotic.

Enough said. Yay you!

Is there a point in laying any blame for Halo though?

Microsoft are now developing all their games to take advantage of DirectX 10.

Older computers aren't designed to run DirectX 10. Is that anyone's fault? No. That's the natural progression of technology.

So really, the reason Halo is a Vista only release isn't because of a Microsoft decision, it's because it was designed to take full advantage of up-to-date technology.

And I rang the computer shop and he told me System Restore is set by default to use 15% of your hard drive space. The only way to dial it down is via command line. I'll try it when I get home before posting what to do.

Burn wrote:Is there a point in laying any blame for Halo though?

Microsoft are now developing all their games to take advantage of DirectX 10.

Older computers aren't designed to run DirectX 10. Is that anyone's fault? No. That's the natural progression of technology.

So really, the reason Halo is a Vista only release isn't because of a Microsoft decision, it's because it was designed to take full advantage of up-to-date technology.

And I rang the computer shop and he told me System Restore is set by default to use 15% of your hard drive space. The only way to dial it down is via command line. I'll try it when I get home before posting what to do.

Even if it's the natural progression, they still could have released it sooner to get it out on XP for two years, then throw 3 out on Vista. But it's that 2 year wait that was so frustrating, because I'll never own a dedicated video game system like XBox or PS3. I could entirely see 3 coming out on Vista if XBox and PC were closer matched on releases.

Edit: Actually, it's more like 2 and a half year wait. XBox release was 11/4/2004 and PC was early May/07.

Given that Halo is Microsoft's "mascot" I don't see a problem with them holding it off to launch it on a new O/S.

Let's face it, how many Sonic and Mario games were developed to help launch Sega and Nintendo's new platforms back in the day?

It's a typical marketing ploy which for once, Microsoft didn't conceive first.

I waited untill all child diseases where out of XP, I bought it with service pack one and two in it. (update)

So now I wait for a couple of years untill all the child diseases are out of Vista. And I've heard that over two years Microsoft will come with something else than Vista.
I think I better wait for that.

Microsoft are now developing all their games to take advantage of DirectX 10.

Older computers aren't designed to run DirectX 10. Is that anyone's fault? No. That's the natural progression of technology.

Only they could also make DirectX 10 run on XP (I heard someobody cracked it and did just that already). So much for the vista argument.

Ok now I have another question. Anyone know how to make all windows start maximized? I can get programs to do it fine but freaking windows explorer, my computer, etc refuse to stay maximized.

Also. I have like 46 processes running. What ones can I turn off in msconfig while still having the system run. I know in XP you could turn off about ten and still have it boot up fine.

Oh and one other thing. In MSconfig I found a check box to turn off the volume shadow copy. It's under Services. Sadly the system goes apeshit when you do that.