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First-Aid wrote:

Corrupted Rodimus wrote:Anyways... if they'd get Jazz back at all, they might as well make him larger, so he's not some midgetbot getting thrashed by Megs, like in the movie.

I would be a good reason to upgrade him and give him a new mold...which is a plus for Hasbro. I've already speculated on a possible/most likely scenario for Jazz's resurrection. I really think that the only reason Frenzy's body was regenerated in the first movie was to demonstrate the healing power of the AllSpark. Think about it: Frenzy COULD have done what he did in the Dam in his tiny "Megabolt" form, but they chose to demonstrate the power of the Cube by regenerating his body. I still believe that we will have reference to the radiation given off by the Cube (as Energon, no less) in the next movie. I also believe that Jazz and Megatron will be back in the next movie with additional bots. They will both be regen'd by the AllSpark as the Cube regens ITSELF. It fits with the line of thinking that the writers were going with, I believe. So the return of Jazz is really inevitable.

Doubtful on the "energon" radiation.....if you happen to notice the TFs in the first one, when they get hit, they bleed an electric-looking liquid substance, which would lead me to believe that it would be the movie universe's variation of energon.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Corrupted Rodimus wrote:Anyways... if they'd get Jazz back at all, they might as well make him larger, so he's not some midgetbot getting thrashed by Megs, like in the movie.

I would be a good reason to upgrade him and give him a new mold...which is a plus for Hasbro. I've already speculated on a possible/most likely scenario for Jazz's resurrection. I really think that the only reason Frenzy's body was regenerated in the first movie was to demonstrate the healing power of the AllSpark. Think about it: Frenzy COULD have done what he did in the Dam in his tiny "Megabolt" form, but they chose to demonstrate the power of the Cube by regenerating his body. I still believe that we will have reference to the radiation given off by the Cube (as Energon, no less) in the next movie. I also believe that Jazz and Megatron will be back in the next movie with additional bots. They will both be regen'd by the AllSpark as the Cube regens ITSELF. It fits with the line of thinking that the writers were going with, I believe. So the return of Jazz is really inevitable.

Doubtful on the "energon" radiation.....if you happen to notice the TFs in the first one, when they get hit, they bleed an electric-looking liquid substance, which would lead me to believe that it would be the movie universe's variation of energon.

Fluid leakage, yep. But I don't think it's like blood to them. More than likely it was lubricant, oil, pneumatic fluids, etc, or their equivalent.

They are freaking Giant Robots thaty can't feel physical pain..........maybe internally maybe but as long as his spark hasn't been distinguished then yeah he'll be back.

10 pages already?I think if Jazz becomes a Lazarus it will pull away from the realism of the movie.Let an other Autobot take his place.Give Prime the infinite lives code,he needs it.Jazz died,Blackout died,bonecrusher died,and Megatron died.Game over it would be like having liquid guy from T2 coming back in T3 Just replace them.

Astrotrain87 wrote:10 pages already?I think if Jazz becomes a Lazarus it will pull away from the realism of the movie.Let an other Autobot take his place.Give Prime the infinite lives code,he needs it.Jazz died,Blackout died,bonecrusher died,and Megatron died.Game over it would be like having liquid guy from T2 coming back in T3 Just replace them.

But remeber they aren't flesh they're robots......with a spark of life.

Swipestreaker wrote:They are freaking Giant Robots thaty can't feel physical pain..........maybe internally maybe but as long as his spark hasn't been distinguished then yeah he'll be back.

How do you know they can't feel physical pain? They're not just "freaking giant robots", they're "advanced alien life forms".

You're trying to apply what human technology has developed in terms of robotics to an advanced alien species.

Doesn't work that easily ...

Oh great, rehashed action figures he we come. Why do we need such a stupid character anyway? Hes nothing but a black stereotype, in both the cartoon and the movie. Or maybe.....hes too accurate and thats wny no one likes him lol......

Just had a thought...

Jazz will be back. As I mentioned before, the spark in this movie seems to be like the heart in the human body: a central point for life. The actual personality and programming must be elsewhere: look at what happened in the first movie...did any of the AllSPark created TF's actually have personality? No, just basic instinct. That means the personality, the sense of self comes from somewhere else and NOT the spark. The AllSpark fragment will end up regenerating Jazz's body as the fragment itself regenerates. Megatron will also be back, and with a limited ability to create life himself. I'd bet he ends up bringing life to an aircraft carrier- there was a lot of talk about that- and that it drains the last of his AllSpark-granted ability. The aircraft carrier will see the birth of the Seekers and a giant, unstoppable juggernaught- Tidal Wave- for which the Autobots have no answer...until reinforcements show up, not from space but on Earth. A group of Autobot commandoes had pursued Megatron from Cybertron; they were the ones responsible for his crash and entombment, but they also ended up crashing on Earth. Who the commandoes are remains to be developed (Dynobots? A Gestalt group?)...but this would be another logical development in the storyline as the writers seem to be thinking.

Burn wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:They are freaking Giant Robots thaty can't feel physical pain..........maybe internally maybe but as long as his spark hasn't been distinguished then yeah he'll be back.

How do you know they can't feel physical pain? They're not just "freaking giant robots", they're "advanced alien life forms".

You're trying to apply what human technology has developed in terms of robotics to an advanced alien species.

Doesn't work that easily ...

More like "Advanced Robotic Alien Life Forms" I hope they remeber. They can get their arms cut off like Brawl did and get back up like it didn't even happend. Or remember when Prime and Megatron where fighting in the Escalation story arcs in the comics they sustained alot of damaged without really any pain felt by either side?

Swipestreaker wrote:They are freaking Giant Robots thaty can't feel physical pain..........maybe internally maybe but as long as his spark hasn't been distinguished then yeah he'll be back.

Erm...wrong. They can feel pain...thats the whole point, they are LIVING sentient beings.

Why does everyone have a hard on for movie Jazz anyway?All he did was let Megatron have the most WIN-tastic line of the transformers franchise

Jazz-you want a piece of me megatron,huh?

Megatron-No,I want two pieces!

*Rips Jazz in half,Then throws this dismembered body parts down from atop of a skyscraper*

Sonray wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:They are freaking Giant Robots thaty can't feel physical pain..........maybe internally maybe but as long as his spark hasn't been distinguished then yeah he'll be back.

Erm...wrong. They can feel pain...thats the whole point, they are LIVING sentient beings.

Just go look at Brawl through out the whole battle. Did you see show any sighns of pain when his arm was cut off? No.

Bumblebee seemed in pain when Ratchet fired that laser thingy at him. Blackout seemed in pain when he got the crotch shot. I think it's just a matter of them being hardcore and fighting through the pain. Believe me, just because someone doesn't show an outward sign of pain, doesn't mean they don't feel any pain.

Insurgent wrote:Bumblebee seemed in pain when Ratchet fired that laser thingy at him. Blackout seemed in pain when he got the crotch shot. I think it's just a matter of them being hardcore and fighting through the pain. Believe me, just because someone doesn't show an outward sign of pain, doesn't mean they don't feel any pain.

To answer the last part i'd say that internal pain is tougher than physical pain.

Swipestreaker wrote:

Insurgent wrote:Bumblebee seemed in pain when Ratchet fired that laser thingy at him. Blackout seemed in pain when he got the crotch shot. I think it's just a matter of them being hardcore and fighting through the pain. Believe me, just because someone doesn't show an outward sign of pain, doesn't mean they don't feel any pain.

To answer the last part i'd say that internal pain is tougher than physical pain.

Internal pain can still be physical, if there's something wrong with your organs or bones. But what do you mean by 'tougher'? Tougher to mentally fight through? Tougher to treat?

Insurgent wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:

Insurgent wrote:Bumblebee seemed in pain when Ratchet fired that laser thingy at him. Blackout seemed in pain when he got the crotch shot. I think it's just a matter of them being hardcore and fighting through the pain. Believe me, just because someone doesn't show an outward sign of pain, doesn't mean they don't feel any pain.

To answer the last part i'd say that internal pain is tougher than physical pain.

Internal pain can still be physical, if there's something wrong with your organs or bones. But what do you mean by 'tougher'? Tougher to mentally fight through? Tougher to treat?

Tougher mentally. And thats what mean about internal pain.

And like I said Brawl had his arm decapated and showed no pain.

Some showed pain, some didnt, just like humans. Plus Devastator was badass. BB was in pain though, Prime was in pain if you listen to his grunts, same goes for Ironhdie and Ratchet when they got pwned by Screamer.

Sonray wrote:Some showed pain, some didnt, just like humans. Plus Devastator was badass. BB was in pain though, Prime was in pain if you listen to his grunts, same goes for Ironhdie and Ratchet when they got pwned by Screamer.

Starscream got out gunned by Ironhide and Ratchet, thats why he blasted off. BB reallly didn't show any pain I mean when he was strapped to that tow truck you see his part of his blown off legs scrapping the ground and thats pain but he didn't show any signs of it whatsoever.

Swipestreaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:Some showed pain, some didnt, just like humans. Plus Devastator was badass. BB was in pain though, Prime was in pain if you listen to his grunts, same goes for Ironhdie and Ratchet when they got pwned by Screamer.

Starscream got out gunned by Ironhide and Ratchet, thats why he blasted off. BB reallly didn't show any pain I mean when he was strapped to that tow truck you see his part of his blown off legs scrapping the ground and thats pain but he didn't show any signs of it whatsoever.

Because he was in battle trying to save his freinds, what do you want him to do shrivel up into a ball and cry oil?

Transformers have always felt pain, watch the very first episode of G1 and they even explain it in there.

Sonray wrote:
Because he was in battle trying to save his freinds, what do you want him to do shrivel up into a ball and cry oil?

Transformers have always felt pain, watch the very first episode of G1 and they even explain it in there.

Just re-watched this, and don't remember. Will check it out

Sonray wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:Some showed pain, some didnt, just like humans. Plus Devastator was badass. BB was in pain though, Prime was in pain if you listen to his grunts, same goes for Ironhdie and Ratchet when they got pwned by Screamer.

Starscream got out gunned by Ironhide and Ratchet, thats why he blasted off. BB reallly didn't show any pain I mean when he was strapped to that tow truck you see his part of his blown off legs scrapping the ground and thats pain but he didn't show any signs of it whatsoever.

Because he was in battle trying to save his freinds, what do you want him to do shrivel up into a ball and cry oil?

Transformers have always felt pain, watch the very first episode of G1 and they even explain it in there.

No, you'r not supposed to cry if your soldier in battle!


I watch almost every episode of the G1 series and all they do is grunt. But i'm not saying their not organic life im saying that their still metallic creature that don't have a nervous system like humans.

Swipestreaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:Some showed pain, some didnt, just like humans. Plus Devastator was badass. BB was in pain though, Prime was in pain if you listen to his grunts, same goes for Ironhdie and Ratchet when they got pwned by Screamer.

Starscream got out gunned by Ironhide and Ratchet, thats why he blasted off. BB reallly didn't show any pain I mean when he was strapped to that tow truck you see his part of his blown off legs scrapping the ground and thats pain but he didn't show any signs of it whatsoever.

Because he was in battle trying to save his freinds, what do you want him to do shrivel up into a ball and cry oil?

Transformers have always felt pain, watch the very first episode of G1 and they even explain it in there.

No, you'r not supposed to cry if your soldier in battle!


I watch almost every episode of the G1 series and all they do is grunt. But i'm not saying their not organic life im saying that their still metallic creature that don't have a nervous system like humans.

Exactly, of course they dont have a nervous system like ours, being ALIENS and all...

Swipestreaker wrote:And like I said Brawl had his arm decapated and showed no pain.

Brawl's pure Hardcore. Like humans who can lie on a bed of nails and show no pain. I bet if you did that, you would show pain. Different tf's just have different pain thresholds, that's all. Some can take a bigger beating before feeling pain than others.

Insurgent wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:And like I said Brawl had his arm decapated and showed no pain.

Brawl's pure Hardcore. Like humans who can lie on a bed of nails and show no pain. I bet if you did that, you would show pain. Different tf's just have different pain thresholds, that's all. Some can take a bigger beating before feeling pain than others.

I don't see how a bed of nails would be all that painful. I mean, if you were putting all your body weight onto 1 nail...yeah, that'd hurt like hell, but when you're on a bed your body weight would be distributed over all of the nails, so not hardly any pressure would be on any one nail.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Insurgent wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:And like I said Brawl had his arm decapated and showed no pain.

Brawl's pure Hardcore. Like humans who can lie on a bed of nails and show no pain. I bet if you did that, you would show pain. Different tf's just have different pain thresholds, that's all. Some can take a bigger beating before feeling pain than others.

I don't see how a bed of nails would be all that painful. I mean, if you were putting all your body weight onto 1 nail...yeah, that'd hurt like hell, but when you're on a bed your body weight would be distributed over all of the nails, so not hardly any pressure would be on any one nail.

In theory. Bet it would still knack though. Unless you have a higher pain threshold. Which was the point I was trying to make. Perhaps I should have said

Some people just have a higher pain threshold. I bet if I cut your arm off, you would show pain, but cut off the arm of someone with an extremely high pain threshold, and they wouldnt even wince.

But I don't actually know if anyone is that hardcore, so I went for the bed of nails option instead.