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Jeep? (not a question)

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Wingspan » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:58 am

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Burn wrote:w00t, overlooked again.
Poor Burnsie. Just sent you a PM and you had better answer it! :P


Uhmmm.... uh..... uhmmmmm er...... uh.... OVERLOOKD AGAIN!!!

(Should I expect my PM soon? Soon-ISH?)

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby City Commander » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:44 pm

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neliz wrote:Congrats Jeep?.

Now we just need about two more RDD Mods and we're all well an truly f*cked. Image

Always the optimist, eh? :P

Congratz Jeepy!
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby neliz » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:53 pm

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neliz wrote:Congrats Jeep?.

Now we just need about two more RDD Mods and we're all well an truly f*cked. Image

Always the optimist, eh? :P

Congratz Jeepy!


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HMWv2 Registration wrote:choose faction:

o Autobot
o Decepticon
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Choose sub-faction

o RDD
o Go burn in hell (not a subfaction, you actually will burn in hell if you click apply)
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Absolute Zero » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:56 pm

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You forgot about the AWC.

Besides, they can hardly be renegade dissidents if they're the man, can they?
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Burn » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:16 pm

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The AWC forgot the AWC. 'nuff said.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Me, Grimlock! » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:17 pm

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Redimus » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:19 pm

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Absolute Zero wrote:You forgot about the AWC.


The AWC forgot the AWC. 'nuff said.



And you forgot the epic forces that are the PAC, MDF and of course, that power house of autobot dominance, the ASF.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby neliz » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:31 pm

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Burn wrote:
Absolute Zero wrote:You forgot about the AWC.


The AWC forgot the AWC. 'nuff said.


And you forgot the epic forces that are the PAC, MDF and of course, that power house of autobot dominance, the ASF.[/color]


and red forgot the color read.

I think you all should start to read the posts above what AZ was referring to, to see the humor in only the RDD being an option.

ah.. guess they are not drunk enough.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby City Commander » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:49 pm

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neliz wrote:
Fearless Echoes wrote:
Burn wrote:
The AWC forgot the AWC. 'nuff said.


And you forgot the epic forces that are the PAC, MDF and of course, that power house of autobot dominance, the ASF.[/color]


and red forgot the color read.

I think you all should start to read the posts above what AZ was referring to, to see the humor in only the RDD being an option.

ah.. guess they are not drunk enough.


For what it's worth my poor, poor autobot, I got your joke :wink:

The problem is that you guys just don't seem able of creating a stable government. The AWC, no matter how sparsely they showed up later down the line, worked.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Redimus » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:55 pm

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Frankly it's been a *very* long time since the Autobot faction has shown any real sign of being able to work together. Hell, even the last real atempt to work together (the ASF) was just an excuse to bitch about the most successful period of history for the Autobots (the AWC at it's hight)...

As odd as this may sound, I'd love to see the Bots restart the AWC (although I think they should follow our lead and make the AWC bot and max).
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby neliz » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:26 pm

a burned down castle that can't be rebuilt I'm afraid.

No guidance, no leadership, no democracy, looking at the "Active rosters" it seems we can't bring one dozen bot players together and frankly, with the negative attitude that was shown here it is hard for people to actually (re)start something.

I'm gonna try again (for a third time) but it simply can not be that people with good intentions join up and see everything fleet.
You're grossly overestimating the Bots if you think that there are 25 players that like to dedicate 8 hours a day on HMW including the coordination. We're a faction of TEENS and people who give HMW a try.
Throwing around numbers of how large the Autobot faction is and how superior it could be.. heck of the about 30 people signed up for AWC less then ten are still performing on an "active" basis and even then find themselves in situations where they can't use IRC/IM or things like that.

It's about the Demographics of the Autobot faction and whatever was true in the G1 continuity about the bots being non war-interested laborers is very much true for 95% of the Bot players that have signed up.

As an Example, there is just ONE bot out of the 50 in my hmw list actually available for communication.

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Redimus » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:33 pm

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Start small. I wasnt around when the RDD formed, but from what I can tell, it was a small group of 3 or 4 players who all had similer play times, and, realising this, got together to co-ordiniate their deployments.

A similer thing has happened with the preds since the reset, myself, AZ, merc (sorry loki) and a few less regular members have all goten onto MSN when we are on together, and are joining missions together. Now the only reason we havnt started a new group is most of us are already RDD.

But it's the best way to go. Surly there are bot commanders you alwaysn otice in your missions neliz? PM them, MSN if they happen to have their MSN address on show in these forums. Work with them, make friends with the, and see what happens.

And if you need help taking things from there, I know Im not the only member of the RDD who'd love to see an oposite who we can really work a rivalry with.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Psychout » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:53 pm

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Redimus » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:12 pm

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I've been involved in my fiar share of things where the Autobots have absolutly slaughtered us (Im sure most RDD members remember the first Defection Wars), and whilst ididnt like the result, it was all in good fun and both sides reacted properly and in a humerous way.

I miss that.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Psychout » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:42 pm

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Me to, but tea bagging the last of the bots is not the best way to make it happen. :|
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Redimus » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:54 pm

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:42 pm

You know... The only way you Autobots are going to get your act together is if you have a strong leader take charge and act as a General for you. What you need is a proper structure and some team building pointers. Why what you need is someone from another faction with those skills in place. So as long as you guys can suck up your pride and admit you need the help to get your act together and bring yourselves back to the former glory of the Autobot Empire that I've only heard rumors of...I can be persuaded to be the one to lead you back to the promised land.

But I won't be doing it out of the evilness of my heart. Oh no. I'd expect compensation for dealing with you lot. And you'd be subject to Predacon Advancements in setups. Some of you have potential, some are rough around the edges. But you, like any faction, just need the right person to whip you into a well oiled fighting machine. So what is it Autobots? Cowering in mediocrity? Or taking your fate by the throat and becoming a credible threat again?
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby neliz » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:10 am

ah sh**, I need to reply, I'll do it when I'm at work..
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:47 am

Is that good or bad? Because if you're going to flame me don't bother. Take it to PMs.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby slip » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:10 am

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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby neliz » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:25 am

Fearless Echoes wrote:Start small. I wasnt around when the RDD formed, but from what I can tell, it was a small group of 3 or 4 players who all had similer play times, and, realising this, got together to co-ordiniate their deployments.

But it's the best way to go. Surly there are bot commanders you alwaysn otice in your missions neliz? PM them, MSN if they happen to have their MSN address on show in these forums. Work with them, make friends with the, and see what happens.

And if you need help taking things from there, I know Im not the only member of the RDD who'd love to see an oposite who we can really work a rivalry with.


And that we have tried, for about a few months up to the reset I had a group of five to six guys with similar levels (for the missions ranges at that time, from 0 to 3.) It went pretty well with rivalry, teambuilding etc. We did this all as AWC members but without any backlink to the AWC.

Then the Reset happened, on a Saturday night they ask me if I want to be part of a new sub faction. The old group quickly got together and with some AWC old-timers we had a new upstart sub-faction, the ASF. But what happens? We get blasted here that we should go back to the AWC and that this "in-fighting" is not necessary. Well excuse me, there is no in-fighting if there are no active members.

But then real-life gets in the way, the US army decides to relocate the head of the ASF. I'm having a baby and the rest of the guys don't have time. So, all in all.. second dead project.

The people that are left playing simply cannot find the time to run a full faction and coordination through recruiters (sourcing) is even worse since the last attempt at such a thing (level counseling) was pitched last year and died. Hell, last forum post in the AWC forum that was HMW related? November 7th.

You guys are vastly overestimating the amount of players that "play to win" versus the "play for fun." The structures have been tried and a militaristic approach simply is wasted on people that don't want to dedicate real-life time to a "stupid" game.

We've got everything in place that needs to be there. Set-up guides, Mission support rules but honestly, no bot cares about them as it's a fun game, and with all "serious" players lumping together in other factions it just confirms that a small group of well-communicating players is able to defeat a larger "loose" force.

I've tried my best for a year now and it simply doesn't work in the long run since being forced to play HMW with a specific set of people following specific rules and not very much the Autobot way, we enjoy.. you know.. our Freedom.
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:00 am

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:You know... The only way you Autobots are going to get your act together is if you have a strong leader take charge and act as a General for you. What you need is a proper structure and some team building pointers. Why what you need is someone from another faction with those skills in place. So as long as you guys can suck up your pride and admit you need the help to get your act together and bring yourselves back to the former glory of the Autobot Empire that I've only heard rumors of...I can be persuaded to be the one to lead you back to the promised land.

But I won't be doing it out of the evilness of my heart. Oh no. I'd expect compensation for dealing with you lot. And you'd be subject to Predacon Advancements in setups. Some of you have potential, some are rough around the edges. But you, like any faction, just need the right person to whip you into a well oiled fighting machine. So what is it Autobots? Cowering in mediocrity? Or taking your fate by the throat and becoming a credible threat again?
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby neliz » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:13 am

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:
Loki God Of Mischief wrote:You know... The only way you Autobots are going to get your act together is if you have a strong leader take charge and act as a General for you. What you need is a proper structure and some team building pointers. Why what you need is someone from another faction with those skills in place. So as long as you guys can suck up your pride and admit you need the help to get your act together and bring yourselves back to the former glory of the Autobot Empire that I've only heard rumors of...I can be persuaded to be the one to lead you back to the promised land.

But I won't be doing it out of the evilness of my heart. Oh no. I'd expect compensation for dealing with you lot. And you'd be subject to Predacon Advancements in setups. Some of you have potential, some are rough around the edges. But you, like any faction, just need the right person to whip you into a well oiled fighting machine. So what is it Autobots? Cowering in mediocrity? Or taking your fate by the throat and becoming a credible threat again?


Good lord, quoting yourself? as I said, you can become a bot and try to sort this lot but you honestly will never ever line up squads like the good old days of AWC. I'll say it again, the average bot player, a 16/17 year old Armada fanboy with a really really short attention span. Good luck with sorting that out.

(only 34% of my PM's with regards to joining a faction, communicating etc. were answered over the last year.)
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Re: Jeep? (not a question)

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:44 am

Stop having a defeatist attitude and rebuild your Empire. What's with you guys? You get a win and you celebrate. You lose and it's game over man! Game **** over! It doesn't matter how many times you lose, the lesson there is you keep coming. Sooner or later you can turn the tide. But only if you try. If you're going to lie down and die the other three factions are more then happy to run over you. Maybe you need the old guard back. All those Autobot players that left. Track them down. Put up a fight. Show up in missions by force. Rally the troops man. Because one of you has to.

You're the second largest faction in the game. You should be the second strongest faction too. But you're not. Because of lack of communication, poor teamwork, arrogance, reluctance to ask for help, refusal to help each other, and most importantly your unwillingness to take one for the team. When's the last time you entered a mission where your side was badly outnumbered and/or outleveled, and you damn well knew you were going to lose?

Do you know what that does to your teammate's morale? To know that regardless of situation, they've got backup when you're around. That when they get low on Energon for repairs you give whatever you can spare. You find an awesome setup do you share it with your team mates so they can get the scores you are?

You start with babysteps. Then when you're ready you do more. If no one else is being a leader, then it is your job to stand up and be that leader. It doesn't matter if you're comfortable with it, or if you think you're a good one. A leader and structure of any kind is better then the chaos your faction is in.

I'm sure you're asking yourself why I'm encouraging you. Why I'm offering help being "the enemy". It's because this is a game. And I want a challenge out of my opponents. I want a good fight, not a one sided beat down all the time.

tl;dr: Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and stop being mopey. Try being awesome instead.
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