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Rodimus Prime wrote:Or just release JP93 by itself. Yeah, fans would still pay for the licensing, but it wouldn't cost as much. This on the assumption that those of us who got the set were looking forward to the car more than the T-Rex. And the T-Rex ended up turning out better?ZeroWolf wrote:As has been said though we have a double whammy of a licensing cost. Honestly, the set would have been better served as two releases...but I'm guessing it wasn't in the budget.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I couldn't help thinking that with the black and red paint, and the brown skin notwithstanding, T-Rex looks more like Grimlock than a chick version of Megatron.
Nonetheless, I think I made out well on the set myself, as I split it 50/50 with a co-worker/fellow fan because he just wanted JP93 and I liked T-Rex.
Moosebot wrote:Did no one know this was available at Target for half the price and even cheaper with coupons/discounts?
https://www.target.com/p/jurassic-world ... exclusive/
TF-fan kev777 wrote:-Double licensing, enough has been said about this.
-Paint budget, the paint work on both figures is great, but especially complex and detailed on JP93 well beyond what most retail figures go. Considering how many colors were used, not only the materials but the paint process steps are added costs above a normal figure.
-The packaging, this is one item I haven't seen considered much, and it actually has a couple levels to it. The package has much more surface area covered with artwork to complete the iconic scene.
-The package also have a outer plain box on top that retail figures don't.
-Finally the assembly process has an extra step because of the packaging. Most figures are assembled in bot mode. These were packaged in alt mode. Someone needed to transform all the assembled bots before packaging.
-Kanrabat- wrote:What I want to know is why the mark-up of these X-over toys is double or triple in Canada compared to the USA.
No, exchange rate is not an excuse because normal retail Transformers are about the same price in Canada and the USA counting the exchange rate.
There may be some Canadian law at play here.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:What I want to know is why the mark-up of these X-over toys is double or triple in Canada compared to the USA.
No, exchange rate is not an excuse because normal retail Transformers are about the same price in Canada and the USA counting the exchange rate.
There may be some Canadian law at play here.
Import duties maybe?
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:What I want to know is why the mark-up of these X-over toys is double or triple in Canada compared to the USA.
No, exchange rate is not an excuse because normal retail Transformers are about the same price in Canada and the USA counting the exchange rate.
There may be some Canadian law at play here.
Import duties maybe?
Maybe they have to license it in English and French at twice the licensing cost.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Mine doesn't want to line up in vehicle mode, so the front and rear halves of the vehicle are weirdly misaligned on the left side. The right side is fine. I got this set with a friend who wanted and will be getting JP93, but if I had gotten the entire set for myself, I wouldn't regret it. But JP93 would be in robot mode most of the time.
1. That would lead to an ugly mismash opaque and clear glazing touching each other, and that always looks off. And altmode looks were a definite focus with JP93.Emerje wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:"Unnecessarily clear panel" my aft, the roof had to be clear.
The roof does, but the panel is painted red save for a tiny bit at the end. They could have used black plastic instead since the clear plastic is so darkly tinted and it sits directly on top of an opaque section making it impossible to see through anyway.
Yes, I'm serious. They've become an increasingly common luxury, yes (though often at the cost of a hollow back pelvis, on Deluxes and some Voyagers). But even now, cost or transformation engineering will sometimes get in the way (see: Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus, the Earthrise Seekers).Emerje wrote:Agree with the person who said we've been spoiled by waist swivels; they've always been a luxury.
A staple bit of articulation for the last 10 years is a luxury? Are you serious? Is this what we're settling for these days?
*facepalm*Emerje wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:-Double licensing, enough has been said about this.
-Paint budget, the paint work on both figures is great, but especially complex and detailed on JP93 well beyond what most retail figures go. Considering how many colors were used, not only the materials but the paint process steps are added costs above a normal figure.
Again, a $17 markup accounts for these two things, they don't account for JP93 being a sub-par Deluxe.
Ohhh yes, that absolutely requires a license. That specific scale color patterning combined with those yellow eyes is peculiar to Rexy, referenced (if somewhat simplified) from her maquette and full-size animatronic.Emerje wrote:And unlike Every other crossover figure that's either a new mold or a heavy retool, Rex is just a repaint with a new head that was probably already built into the mold. I would say her deco doesn't use any more paint than Megatron since her bot parts are barely painted compared to his. Does that specific dino deco require a license, it always seemed generic T-rex to me?
Riiiiight. Because this crossover packaging totally isn't the same sort of scene-from-the-movie backdrop insert as Studio Series.Emerje wrote:-The packaging, this is one item I haven't seen considered much, and it actually has a couple levels to it. The package has much more surface area covered with artwork to complete the iconic scene.
-The package also have a outer plain box on top that retail figures don't.
I disagree. Packaging is rarely a factor in prices unless it's something super premium. They're like advertising designed to draw you to the figure inside with the understanding that most people are going to throw it away. Otherwise Studio Series figures would cost $5 more than WFC figures since they have the extra stand alone display backdrop included. I'd also argue that those backdrops are more interesting and practical than this crossover packaging.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for the people saying JP93 should have been sold separately... Problem there is, this set was designed to be a Transformers version of the regular JP anniversary set.
Nowhere explicitly, but it seems a preeeetty likely scenario to me given that this does, in fact, mirror both a Mattel Legacy Collection set and the Iron Studios T. Rex Attack diorama (very closely, in fact).william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for the people saying JP93 should have been sold separately... Problem there is, this set was designed to be a Transformers version of the regular JP anniversary set.
Where was this stated?
You're right, my bad for assuming. I was figuring something had changed since the older days, since Rexy's toys have been a lot more consistently decorated (and closer to the on-screen patterns) beginning with the Jurassic World merch (vs. what we saw with the JP, TLW, and JPIII lines), and you don't see the blatant JP stamps on the more modern JP dinos (not that I've noticed anyway, and I've taken a look in stores).william-james88 wrote:Also licensing is not needed for Rexy. The lack of licensing for the dinosaurs is the reason for the JP stamps on the toys along with the battle damage gimmicks initially found in the line. It's a well known and talked about fact in the industry, I don't know why you would state otherwise without proof.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
...Speaking of licensing, it occurs to me that Mattel being the primary licensee for Jurassic Park toys may have contributed to this set's swollen price.
william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
...Speaking of licensing, it occurs to me that Mattel being the primary licensee for Jurassic Park toys may have contributed to this set's swollen price.
Definitely, that's a good point.
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
...Speaking of licensing, it occurs to me that Mattel being the primary licensee for Jurassic Park toys may have contributed to this set's swollen price.
Definitely, that's a good point.
I'll just bid my time. For the absurd price the set go on, once Amazon is tired to have piles of the ting gathering dust in their warehouse it will go on clearance at 33 or 40% off.
I'll strike then.
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