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I have a question - apologies if i've missed something glaringly obvious.

When Carly goes to talk to Megatron, he is sat in an Alley against a wall, apparently injured or just relaxing?

What was he doing?

The only reason i can thing of was that when he was on the building with Sentinel, SP grabbed his head and tore a small piece of it away, saying he was "Working with him, but never for him"

Could it be this, combined with Prime blasting the pillar that caused Megatron to get out of the way or fall off the building?

ScoutSi wrote:I have a question - apologies if i've missed something glaringly obvious.

When Carly goes to talk to Megatron, he is sat in an Alley against a wall, apparently injured or just relaxing?

What was he doing?

The only reason i can thing of was that when he was on the building with Sentinel, SP grabbed his head and tore a small piece of it away, saying he was "Working with him, but never for him"

Could it be this, combined with Prime blasting the pillar that caused Megatron to get out of the way or fall off the building?

The only reason I can think of was because he was a bit discouraged about losing his command of the Decepticons from Sentinel Prime. He only really cared about restoring Cybertron. I actually felt a bit sorry for him when he looked up and was a bit happy about seeing his planet once again.

It was never made clear, I just kinda though he fell/jumped off when the building was blasted. Though I would think he jumped, because if he fell he would probably be damaged even more. As for just sitting there, I agree that he was probably elated to see Cybertron and the prospect of restoring it, combined with being brain damaged.

I'm gonna write it up to sitting around, being nutty.

iirc, Sentinel Prime pushed him off the building in the novel after he was acting like he was the one in control and he was recovering from the fall.

I assume the scene was cut.

Cuz he was waiting for Sentinel to kill the rest of the Autobots.

In the novel he was pushed down from the building by sentinel and was kinda.... um... sulking in the alley XD

His moral was really down at that point and (at least in the novel) when he looked on cybertron he felt some kind of remorse on his actions (of destruction) which led to the last scene with prime in the novel where he sued for peace.

As this was not in the final movie, this scene is a bit confusing, yeah

ScoutSi wrote:I have a question - apologies if i've missed something glaringly obvious.

When Carly goes to talk to Megatron, he is sat in an Alley against a wall, apparently injured or just relaxing?

What was he doing?

He was asking for some spare change. Part of his tanker actually transforms into a cup!

Mizuno wrote:In the novel he was pushed down from the building by sentinel and was kinda.... um... sulking in the alley XD

His moral was really down at that point and (at least in the novel) when he looked on cybertron he felt some kind of remorse on his actions (of destruction) which led to the last scene with prime in the novel where he sued for peace.

As this was not in the final movie, this scene is a bit confusing, yeah

That's intersting, I wish they would actually include scenes like this.

YRQRM0 wrote:That's intersting, I wish they would actually include scenes like this.

I wished too. Would have been better than having a 3 sec non-fight scene where optimus rips megs head of XD



here is what megs said in the novels to optimus (if anyone is interested) so SPOILERS (for the novel) here:









Megs: "I wanted to control cybertron because I thought I was right. You fight me because vou believe you where right."
OP *prepairing for battle*: "I. Am tired of your control!"
Megs: "And I... *sagging to the ground* am tired of fighting..."
OP hesitates
Megs: "I sue for peace Optimus. I will order all Decepticons to stand down. It is over. All this *gestures around* is over. Even endless war must end sometimes. Our World (Cybertron) calls, and I will devote my existance, and the existence of all Decepticons, not to attack you or your humans, but to return to our homeworld. I have spent far to long destroying, and it has brought me nothing. Nothing. So I wish to try creating for a time and see if it brings me.... something."

then they go on about how Optimus is about to believe what megs said, and megs said to him that he doesn't care what OP thinks, and if he wished he should just shoot him, but he should make an decision.
OP accepts the truce eventually and tells megs to keep his decepticons under control. Megs then states he will do it, and when they have rebuild cybertron he will sent for OP and his Autobots to join them on cybertron if they wished so they could be one race again.





IMHO a far better ending then what bay did ^^;;

YRQRM0 wrote:That's intersting, I wish they would actually include scenes like this.

Character development? In a Michael Bay movie? But that means less time for 'splosions! BOOM! KAPOWWWWW!

Mizuno wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:That's intersting, I wish they would actually include scenes like this.

I wished too. Would have been better than having a 3 sec non-fight scene where optimus rips megs head of XD



here is what megs said in the novels to optimus (if anyone is interested) so SPOILERS (for the novel) here:









Megs: "I wanted to control cybertron because I thought I was right. You fight me because vou believe you where right."
OP *prepairing for battle*: "I. Am tired of your control!"
Megs: "And I... *sagging to the ground* am tired of fighting..."
OP hesitates
Megs: "I sue for peace Optimus. I will order all Decepticons to stand down. It is over. All this *gestures around* is over. Even endless war must end sometimes. Our World (Cybertron) calls, and I will devote my existance, and the existence of all Decepticons, not to attack you or your humans, but to return to our homeworld. I have spent far to long destroying, and it has brought me nothing. Nothing. So I wish to try creating for a time and see if it brings me.... something."

then they go on about how Optimus is about to believe what megs said, and megs said to him that he doesn't care what OP thinks, and if he wished he should just shoot him, but he should make an decision.
OP accepts the truce eventually and tells megs to keep his decepticons under control. Megs then states he will do it, and when they have rebuild cybertron he will sent for OP and his Autobots to join them on cybertron if they wished so they could be one race again.






IMHO a far better ending then what bay did ^^;;

great ending to the series. you know why they didnt put it in though. it WOULD HAVE ended the series. hasbro must have plans for some new movies. do you think this is a good theory? speculate below

ROARBO wrote: great ending to the series. you know why they didnt put it in though. it WOULD HAVE ended the series. hasbro must have plans for some new movies. do you think this is a good theory? speculate b




IMHO a far better ending then what bay did ^^;;

Terrible, terrible, terrible ending. No, i don't think its better. Its just unbelievable concidering Megatrons history. Were to believe that after all Megs has done... Thousand of years of war, destroying cybertron, starting a war, killing inocent Humans.. Its all to be forgiven because Megatron is all of a sudden "Born Again"? Nope. Not buying it. This kind of reminds me of the ending of Star Trek 5 when the Klingons who go on a mission to kill kirk end up apoligising to him. Huge disapointment.
While i wish there was a battle between Megs and Optimus, i still preffer the movie ending to the book ending.

As far as why they didn't go with the book ending, yes, i do think this ending gives more possibilties for more movies if they decide to continue with this movie verse instead of a complete reboot. If they went with the book ending then they couldn't have continued with the current movies as it would have made a farce of the truce. At least this way they have options as there are plenty of other decepticon vilians to pick from.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

ScoutSi wrote:I have a question - apologies if i've missed something glaringly obvious.

When Carly goes to talk to Megatron, he is sat in an Alley against a wall, apparently injured or just relaxing?

What was he doing?

He was asking for some spare change. Part of his tanker actually transforms into a cup!

Agreed. Just the standard homeless dude. Sittin' around, doin' his thang.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

ROARBO wrote: great ending to the series. you know why they didnt put it in though. it WOULD HAVE ended the series. hasbro must have plans for some new movies. do you think this is a good theory? speculate b




IMHO a far better ending then what bay did ^^;;

Terrible, terrible, terrible ending. No, i don't think its better. Its just unbelievable concidering Megatrons history. Were to believe that after all Megs has done... Thousand of years of war, destroying cybertron, starting a war, killing inocent Humans.. Its all to be forgiven because Megatron is all of a sudden "Born Again"? Nope. Not buying it. This kind of reminds me of the ending of Star Trek 5 when the Klingons who go on a mission to kill kirk end up apoligising to him. Huge disapointment.
While i wish there was a battle between Megs and Optimus, i still preffer the movie ending to the book ending.

As far as why they didn't go with the book ending, yes, i do think this ending gives more possibilties for more movies if they decide to continue with this movie verse instead of a complete reboot. If they went with the book ending then they couldn't have continued with the current movies as it would have made a farce of the truce. At least this way they have options as there are plenty of other decepticon vilians to pick from.

Yeah, like Thunderwing.

But he should've atleast put up a fight. Prime just ends him.

The novel ending would need some major character time on both Megs and Optimus to work in the film. Megatron would need to be depicted as more than a power-hunger, blood-thirsty monster and Optimus as having a shred of faith in Decepticons redeeming themselves.
And even then, letting Megatron and the Cons go unpunished for their crimes AND unsupervised to Cybertron on a vague promise would still be monumentally stupid of Optimus.

That's not to say the used ending is flawless, of course, but it is the more logical outcome given what the movies gave us.

Noideaforaname wrote:The novel ending would need some major character time on both Megs and Optimus to work in the film. Megatron would need to be depicted as more than a power-hunger, blood-thirsty monster and Optimus as having a shred of faith in Decepticons redeeming themselves.
And even then, letting Megatron and the Cons go unpunished for their crimes AND unsupervised to Cybertron on a vague promise would still be monumentally stupid of Optimus.

That's not to say the used ending is flawless, of course, but it is the more logical outcome given what the movies gave us.

agreed the problem was megs giving up and prime butchering him.

for the last battle scene it was a severe let down, probab;y more realistic battle scene in real world example but prefer the hollywood final long action scene

Well, I think if there was another long battle between one arm Optimus and brain damaged Megatron, I would be very tired after the movie was over. The entire Chicago battle scene was already long enough especially on the glasses building part, what Megatron could fight back was probably only shoving a fist to nothing or firing his shotgun in the air. Also Optimus was VERY pissed through out what had happened in the entire movie (not knowing the Ark, Sentinel betrayal, Ironhide's death, governments/humans unfaithful, finally got the flight tech back but got wire tangled in the mid air, lost one arm), how could he doesn't want to kill Megatron quick while he got a little bit more energon left in his tank?

I was a little bit touched on the novel ending in the beginning but then came to think of it more, yeah, it totally didn't make sense. How could Optimus deal the truce and let Decepticons went back to Cybertron while Autobots stayed on earth? I never think Optimus doesn't want to go back to home planet and if they want to rebuilt it, Optimus would definitely happy to offer the help to rebuild together, and he should. What's the point of "stay where you are or you can come back if you want to", then there will be at least a million cannons aiming at you when your ships arrive.

Back to topic. As I always think, Megatron is pretty beat down in this entire movie and he can barely put up a good fight. So either resting or recovering, he was there just to see the whatever end.

I think just better dialogue would've helped the final "battle." For instance, Optimus could tell Megatron exactly where he would you be without him - living a peaceful life with his friends on Cybertron - while hacking the Decepticon leader apart.
Or something.

For the ending,I like the novel.I think Megs didn't put up a fight because,like the novel,he gave up.On topic though,...yeah.Megatron just...just,just-he gave up!Simply put.