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Burn wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote: To be honest, in this show, at least, Adam became equally as "too buff" when he became He-Man, so maybe it was a stylistic choice to show how The Power "distorts" the recipient's natural form?

How to explain my train of thought here ... it's not easy.

To me, growing up, He-Man was always pushed as "the most powerful man in the universe" so in my eyes, huge bulging muscles for a man was perfectly normal.

Thirty odd years later we, as a society, are all about empowering women and there's been a big push to get more female characters front and centre as role-models, to "get strong female leads". When I think of things in that regard I don't consider a "strong" woman to have bulging muscles, but rather strong in character.

But you're right, obviously "The Power" is all about strength and that requires huge bulging muscles.

How about her and Beast Man's choices though? I thought they were a bit out-of-character, considering their development through this new show? Both of their actions just seemed a little "forced" to me?

I think it was a bit rushed, but at the same time, it was hard to build as there's only so much He-Man/Adam vs Skeletor you can string out. So they had this sub-plot where Beast Man, who clearly cares for Lynn (I really can't call her Evil-Lynn anymore) and is acting as that little voice on her shoulder encouraging her to take control of her narrative.

At least that's how I interpret it, he cares and is being noble, it could also be taken as he's sick of Skeletor, doesn't want to lead himself so he's sucking up to the next best thing. I prefer to think of him as being noble and a victim of Skeletor as well.

I think those are all valid points. I'm not sure myself why Lynn was drawn that way, but it's still interesting. I was a bit sad about Beast Man's demise though.

Burn wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Burn wrote:

Overcracker wrote:But if you think that is being a troll, then you are being the troll as you clearly did not read what I said.

Just put him on your ignore list. People like him aren't worth wasting your time on.

Really? that's what we've come down to? Just calling others trolls?

What did I say that was so wrong about the show? I never even complained about it having strong female leads.

I would really appreciate an explanation of what I said that was so wrong that has you all so triggered.



I repeat what I said in my original post. Its a great show with great writing. I really liked EvilLyn, I was invested.

If you can explain your issues with my posts, I'd really appreciate it so I can understand what I said that was so wrong?

ahhh...mate...I'm on your side here. I was suggesting to you (Overcracker) to ignore him because I agree, you said nothing wrong and it was a blatant uncalled for twisting of your words.

I support You as well. There was nothing sexist or vaguely insulting about what you said. Only someone LOOKING for it intentionally (see the following definition from Mirriam-Webster Online) would interpret it as such.

noun
noun: troll; plural noun: trolls
1. a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.
a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.

By this quite literally OFFICIAL definition, the response statement is in fact the troll as the first statement lacked intent and deliberacy.

On the subject of the serious, Part 2 was the most "MOTU" series of the two based on a simple calculation of actual, canonical Masters of the Universe who play a part in it. Yes, I enjoyed it and it was a great series and a lot of fun, but I agree that the title is misleading as there really are very few actual Masters in it, focusing on a very select few characters. Ram-Man got one line. Fisto and Clamp Champ were essentially Ironhide and Brawn from TFTM and there only to die. Buzz Off was slightly there, no lines. The only characters who were actual Masters were Teela, Duncan, Adam, and the Sorceress. They essentially only involved three villains: Skeletor, Evil-Lyn, and Beast Man. One of the things that made the Cartoon Network reboot a few years back so awesome was the sheer diversity of characters and they ALL had parts. Mekanek, Buzz-off, Stratos, Duncan, Ram-Man, Man-E-Faces, Cy-Clone, Roboto, Teela, Adam, Orko, Moss Man (another character briefly there only to die TFTM style)...and each of them had deep storylines in only 13 episode seasons. The villains were JUST as diverse. So yeah this was misnamed Masters of the Universe. I WANTED the other characters in there. It disappointed sadly on that front.

In the end....ADAM AND TEELA?!?!? ABOUT *&$^#* TIME!!! And the worst-kept MOTU secret of Duncan being Teela's REAL dad and not just her adopted one...

First-Aid wrote:

Burn wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Burn wrote:

Overcracker wrote:But if you think that is being a troll, then you are being the troll as you clearly did not read what I said.

Just put him on your ignore list. People like him aren't worth wasting your time on.

Really? that's what we've come down to? Just calling others trolls?

What did I say that was so wrong about the show? I never even complained about it having strong female leads.

I would really appreciate an explanation of what I said that was so wrong that has you all so triggered.



I repeat what I said in my original post. Its a great show with great writing. I really liked EvilLyn, I was invested.

If you can explain your issues with my posts, I'd really appreciate it so I can understand what I said that was so wrong?

ahhh...mate...I'm on your side here. I was suggesting to you (Overcracker) to ignore him because I agree, you said nothing wrong and it was a blatant uncalled for twisting of your words.

I support You as well. There was nothing sexist or vaguely insulting about what you said. Only someone LOOKING for it intentionally (see the following definition from Mirriam-Webster Online) would interpret it as such.

noun
noun: troll; plural noun: trolls
1. a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.
a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.

By this quite literally OFFICIAL definition, the response statement is in fact the troll as the first statement lacked intent and deliberacy.

On the subject of the serious, Part 2 was the most "MOTU" series of the two based on a simple calculation of actual, canonical Masters of the Universe who play a part in it. Yes, I enjoyed it and it was a great series and a lot of fun, but I agree that the title is misleading as there really are very few actual Masters in it, focusing on a very select few characters. Ram-Man got one line. Fisto and Clamp Champ were essentially Ironhide and Brawn from TFTM and there only to die. Buzz Off was slightly there, no lines. The only characters who were actual Masters were Teela, Duncan, Adam, and the Sorceress. They essentially only involved three villains: Skeletor, Evil-Lyn, and Beast Man. One of the things that made the Cartoon Network reboot a few years back so awesome was the sheer diversity of characters and they ALL had parts. Mekanek, Buzz-off, Stratos, Duncan, Ram-Man, Man-E-Faces, Cy-Clone, Roboto, Teela, Adam, Orko, Moss Man (another character briefly there only to die TFTM style)...and each of them had deep storylines in only 13 episode seasons. The villains were JUST as diverse. So yeah this was misnamed Masters of the Universe. I WANTED the other characters in there. It disappointed sadly on that front.

In the end....ADAM AND TEELA?!?!? ABOUT *&$^#* TIME!!! And the worst-kept MOTU secret of Duncan being Teela's REAL dad and not just her adopted one...

It wasn't misnamed at all. There were "Masters" (plural) in it. My points, as stated before, still stand.

First-Aid wrote:

Burn wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Burn wrote:

Overcracker wrote:But if you think that is being a troll, then you are being the troll as you clearly did not read what I said.

Just put him on your ignore list. People like him aren't worth wasting your time on.

Really? that's what we've come down to? Just calling others trolls?

What did I say that was so wrong about the show? I never even complained about it having strong female leads.

I would really appreciate an explanation of what I said that was so wrong that has you all so triggered.



I repeat what I said in my original post. Its a great show with great writing. I really liked EvilLyn, I was invested.

If you can explain your issues with my posts, I'd really appreciate it so I can understand what I said that was so wrong?

ahhh...mate...I'm on your side here. I was suggesting to you (Overcracker) to ignore him because I agree, you said nothing wrong and it was a blatant uncalled for twisting of your words.

I support You as well. There was nothing sexist or vaguely insulting about what you said. Only someone LOOKING for it intentionally (see the following definition from Mirriam-Webster Online) would interpret it as such.

noun
noun: troll; plural noun: trolls
1. a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.
a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.

By this quite literally OFFICIAL definition, the response statement is in fact the troll as the first statement lacked intent and deliberacy.

On the subject of the serious, Part 2 was the most "MOTU" series of the two based on a simple calculation of actual, canonical Masters of the Universe who play a part in it. Yes, I enjoyed it and it was a great series and a lot of fun, but I agree that the title is misleading as there really are very few actual Masters in it, focusing on a very select few characters. Ram-Man got one line. Fisto and Clamp Champ were essentially Ironhide and Brawn from TFTM and there only to die. Buzz Off was slightly there, no lines. The only characters who were actual Masters were Teela, Duncan, Adam, and the Sorceress. They essentially only involved three villains: Skeletor, Evil-Lyn, and Beast Man. One of the things that made the Cartoon Network reboot a few years back so awesome was the sheer diversity of characters and they ALL had parts. Mekanek, Buzz-off, Stratos, Duncan, Ram-Man, Man-E-Faces, Cy-Clone, Roboto, Teela, Adam, Orko, Moss Man (another character briefly there only to die TFTM style)...and each of them had deep storylines in only 13 episode seasons. The villains were JUST as diverse. So yeah this was misnamed Masters of the Universe. I WANTED the other characters in there. It disappointed sadly on that front.

In the end....ADAM AND TEELA?!?!? ABOUT *&$^#* TIME!!! And the worst-kept MOTU secret of Duncan being Teela's REAL dad and not just her adopted one...

Thanks. Yes. Part 2 was in my opinion excellent. but I stand by what I said. Its essentially a story revolving around Teela and her growth into the role of Sorceress. Not He-Man.

Its a great character piece for Teela in part 2 and indeed addresses many of the issues I had with part one. With that said I enjoyed both parts immensely.

Again, I praise the voice acting from Lena Heady and Sarah Michelle Gellar. Lyn was given the time and agency to develop her character and all her motives had weight. I loved that. And Lena conveyed her emotions masterfully.

But at the end of the Day, it was less about He-Man and more about Teela and even Evil Lyn and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as its portrayed as such.

And I agree. finally. how long have we waited for Adam and Teela to get together.

Also, sad to see Orko go.

As someone who not only was never a He-Man fan but also hasn't seen either show, and therefore can't properly judge them, I do find it amusing that from what I've seen online a lot of the adult MOTU fans apparently prefer the child-oriented CGI series and find it closer to the spirit of the original despite the myriad of changes made to the story and characters, while they despise the adult-oriented heavily-based-on-the-Filmation-cartoon series intended for them.

Overcracker wrote:Also not sure what drove them to make another castle hidden beneath the Castle Grayskull facade. Its not like they were ever hiding that Grayskull was important. It just did not really make sense.

Actually, if I recall correctly, that comes either from the original toyline story or from an early bible.

In fact, there's a lot in the show that references or is pulled from the "Savage Eternia" continuity of the pack-in minicomics, before the cartoon overshadowed everything else: the Sword of Power being split in two, Man-At-Arms referring to Teela as a "warrior goddess" (all that's missing is a cobra headdress), Eternia as a post-apocalyptic savage land with techno-magic relics of the past...

MaximalNui wrote: I do find it amusing that from what I've seen online a lot of the adult MOTU fans apparently prefer the child-oriented CGI series and find it closer to the spirit of the original despite the myriad of changes made to the story and characters, while they despise the adult-oriented heavily-based-on-the-Filmation-cartoon series intended for them.

I am in the opposite crowd, I loathe the new CGI one and love the adult based one, I mean the show had to mature from what Filmmation produced. That is just my feelings on it.