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There have been at least a dozen or so Transformers shows, which one is your least favorite and state why?

Mime is Transformers Victory because of the bad animation and not good story line.

I'm not fond of animated.

Oh, this thread is gonna open a whole bucket of worms.

Anyway, cartoon-wise, nothing is worse than those two Universe 2008 episodes, being even below the Cyber Missions episodes. Yes, they worse than the Energon cartoon.

Comic-wise... erm, rain check. Still reading through the comics, so I can't make a good enough call on this yet.

Manga-wise and Radio-drama wise, Kiss Players. Nuff said. But ONLY the first arc. Kiss Players Position, however, is half decent.

Movie-wise, well, there's been only one series of movies thus far, so it's kinda defaulted to being the only choice in any and every regard.

Book-wise, haven't read enough of them either to judge properly.

crazyjeffy wrote:I'm not fond of animated.

May I ask why?

crazyjeffy wrote:I'm not fond of animated.

I have to agree. I tried to like it. I really did. But something about the sketchy animation and the non-robot cast kind of turned me off completely.

Sabrblade wrote:Oh, this thread is gonna open a whole bucket of worms.

crazyjeffy wrote:I'm not fond of animated.

May I ask why?

It just never really appealed to me. I wasn't into Transformers when Animated came out and when I got back into TF I saw how animated looked and it didn't look interesting. I've always hated the whole Japanese anime art style like Final Fantasy or Naruto or Death Note or Inuyasha or bleach and the like. With the exception of dragonball, however. Saiyans rule.

Not to mention I'm more of Optimus being a wise, stoic, heroic, badass. From what I've seen of animated he acts more like Hot Shot from Armada.

Fast_Magma wrote:There have been at least a dozen or so Transformers shows, which one is your least favorite and state why?

Mime is Transformers Victory because of the bad animation and not good story line.

Season 3 must have really pissed you off, then. Vctory has a normal saturdaymorning style, IMO. Not great, but good ofr TV anyway.

Armada was so bad it sucked and blowed at the same time. I really liked RID which only made me dislike Armada more. Stupid Minicons

I sort of like everything to an extent, but If I had to pick one it would be Energon. Was the guillotine to my beloved Armada and I just could not stand the majority of the VAs in the cartoon.

Beast Machines. The most horrible waste of time I endured in my time as a Transformers fan. And I'm including the few episodes of Cybertron I managed to drag myself through as well as some of the toilet paper IDW printed back when they started.

No one here better say Rescue Bots! That show is a godsend!

I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise. I didn't care for the Infiltration arc in the comics, and I'm not a fan of the movieverse or Animated. I wasn't liking Prime too much at first, but have caught a few shows here and there and its growing on me. And the normal answer of Energon...terrible show.

Beast Machines and TF Energon. TF Primes story is good but I don't like how everything designed after the Bay movies.

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

I think it's like the difference between running and walking. Humans can run to get somewhere faster, but they can get to the same destination by walking (with much less effort) so why bother running? I think that might be a good analogy to use in this case. Or not. Call me crazy.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

CErtain vehicles could be more useful or effective in combat or to take advantage of a robots' latent abilities, like speed or whatnot. In my mind at least, it's kind of a question of why bother having tanks and APCs and stuff if all of your soldiers have legs.

RID hands down. At least Beast Machines was deep. RID is just dumb and does nothing for me.

crazyjeffy wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

I think it's like the difference between running and walking. Humans can run to get somewhere faster, but they can get to the same destination by walking (with much less effort) so why bother running? I think that might be a good analogy to use in this case. Or not. Call me crazy.

I considered that, but then again, how badly do robots fatigue when running? Also seems counterproductive to change your form to go faster while having your wheels hanging uselessly off your body in the form you spend most of your time in. Like having backwards bending legs on your shoulders so you can turn upside down to run faster.

Then again, its a cartoon :p

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus.

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I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

Oh, don't worry. Despite it being very human-centric and having probably the most main human characters of any TF series, it is still very much centered primarily around its Autobots and Decepticons. I can't say how that makes sense without giving much away, but watching the series will show how that all works out.

I am a VERY open minded Tranfans (Straight up fan of the Movies, Animated, Prime, Rescue Bots, the Beast Era, and G1, but if I had to say my least favorite series, I would say either RID or Energon. When it comes TF series being in English, these are the only two where I couldn't continue watching. (Armada was barely tolerable for me.)

Animated is by far my least favourite series. I simply cannot stand those chunky, blocky, angular character designs, it's almost like visual puke.