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Speaking of which, why is there so much hand-to-hand combat in Prime? What ever happened to good ol' photon charges?

What I want to see happen mostly revolves around Optimus/Orion Pax and his successor.

Firstly, I do NOT want the Key to Vector Sigma to be the MacGuffin that restores Optimus's memories. I want it to have some other, more mysterious and deeper purpose than the obvious. After all, the creators could have put it in there as a Red Herring for us to all speculate how it would bring Optimus back, when it could instead be for some other purpose just to throw us off.

With that said, I honestly don't want Orion Pax to get his memories back. That's right, I don't want the same old Optimus Prime back. Why? Because he is so BORING a character. I swear, he is the worst character of this whole show, as his complete stoicism is just so overbearing. His only good personality trait is his high regard for the the Autobot Code, but lacking a wide enough range of emotion severely cripples his character. So, it pleases me to see the youthful, aspiring dreamer Orion Pax brought back from the ancient past. He was SO much more appealing than he was as Optimus.

What I'd like instead would be for him to come to find more favor with Autobots than the Decepticons all on his volition. Something like how BW Silverbolt willingly chose to join the Maximals after preferring their good nature over the Predacons' harshness. After all, Orion Pax was anything but stupid, so he should be able to see right through Megatron's act relatively quickly. And afterward, have Optimus/Orion then begin a long process of trying to grow back into the leader he once was, retraining himself to be a Prime. But instead of him becoming the same as he was before, have him becoming an even better leader and greater character than ever (one who can show EMOTION). It would be a great chance to develop him from a youthful, relatable character into the role model that we all know and love (a la Animated Optimus).

And with him not getting his memories back, that leads me to who would be his replacement as Autobot Leader. Seeing what went on in the season 1 finale, I feel that there is only one logical choice. Since Optimus personally gave him the Key to Vector Sigma, I want Jack to take command (and maybe have Ratchet and/or Arcee as his advisor[s]). After all, it wouldn't be the first time that a human was Commander of the Autobots, and it would be an interesting take on Jack's character, giving him more responsibility and allowing him to grow and mature even further.

I mean, Optimus handing him the Key was practically an act of Optimus choosing Jack to be his successor. and ,it makes sense since Ratchet compared Jack to how Optimus was in his youth. Jack taking command would be no different than when Optimus himself became Prime. He, as Orion Pax, was a nobody. A young data clerk with dreams of a brighter tomorrow and no real combat experience whatsoever. He got the job because of destiny. Bearing the Matrix, Optimus may have sensed some potential within Jack just as Alpha Trion, Halogen, the rest of the High Council, and the Core itself sensed potential in Orion.

cotss2012 wrote:On the contrary; Arcee is too emotionally invested in Jack, which has proven to be a liability. Ratchet is more objective; more willing to sacrifice a pawn to win the game.

Which is why I like Ratchet.

Sabrblade wrote:it wouldn't be the first time that a human was Commander of the Autobots

Oh for Christ's sake, what continuity that only seven people have ever heard of are you referring to THIS time?

cotss2012 wrote:Speaking of which, why is there so much hand-to-hand combat in Prime? What ever happened to good ol' photon charges?

in real life human scenarios.guns are not friendly,guns kill,hasbro tries to have it's programs aimed at all ages. hasbro doesn't want to encourage gun shootings.

Some of us/like myself like a good old fashioned robot verse robot hand to hand combat. personally seeing 2 robots using street fighting techniques is leaps & bounds more interesting than robots dodging missles fires.

cotss2012 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:it wouldn't be the first time that a human was Commander of the Autobots

Oh for Christ's sake, what continuity that only seven people have ever heard of are you referring to THIS time?

I have a few scenarios where humans were in charge of the autobots or decepticons examples below:

(1) USA Hasbro G-1 1987 Season 4. at the end of the rebirth part 3 saga. Optimus Prime orders Spike/cerebros/fort max to take charge of the headmasters & nebulans. spike's mission was to head to planet nebulan,defeat the rest of the evil forces their,clean up the planet. then after all that was done,they'd all live on planet nebulan in peace.

(2)In the marvel TF G-1 comics. Spike was in charge of half of the transformers forces & they were under his direct command. spike was bonded to cerebros & fort max. grimlock was in charge of the non-nebulan transformers. while spike was in charge of the nebulan transformers.

(3)Takara's masterforce cartoon series had Ginrai a earth human in charge of the transformers on earth. While for a brief period the two evil godmasters humans were in charge of the decepticons forces on the earth. because the two evil godmasters humans were controlling Overlord.

(4)In the newest Hasbro 2011 "Rescue bots" Transformers cartoon series. a human gives the rescue bots orders to transform.

(5)The Marvel comic G.I Joe issues #138 thru #141 had a G-2 Prequel TF VS G.I Joe cross-overs. that showed spike bonding back with fortmax to take charge of a small rag tag team of autobots to prevent the Autobot ark ship from being in cobra commanders possession. fort max blew himself up so the ark could be also blown up & destroyed. because the cybertrian technology built inside the ark space ship was way too valuable to fall into earth humans possessions like cobra.

(6)In the IDW TF G-1 "All Hail Bumblebee" mini series. a human tricked the newbie autobot leader bumblebee to install some type of Devices on some of the earth based autobots. after the stuff was installed on the autobots,a human took charge of the earth based autobots for a short while. bumblebee & his autobots were scarred & taking orders from a human for a while. the human & his group of humans had a remote device that was capable of temporary shutting down transformers systems.

cotss2012 wrote:Oh for Christ's sake,

So very sick of your attitude and so very sick of having to deal with constant complaints about you and your attitude. Would it kill you to just show a little bit of respect to other members of this community?

Merry Christmas, have a warning. Returns are via Cyber Bishop.

I only accept returns with a valid receipt..

Oh and cotss2012 check your PM's..

Tidalwavex wrote:

cotss2012 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:it wouldn't be the first time that a human was Commander of the Autobots

Oh for Christ's sake, what continuity that only seven people have ever heard of are you referring to THIS time?

I have a few scenarios where humans were in charge of the autobots or decepticons examples below:

You see, Cotss? Just because your not well versed in non-cartoon/non-movie TF fiction doesn't mean that majority isn't either.

I have another wish for Prime season 2.

Now, I know we've already heard something about this, but I'll say it anyway. I want Bumblebee to either get his voice back or have a flashback to when he lost it. And when he speaks, I want him to be voiced by Johnny Young Bosch again (who, IMO, did an amazing job voicing him in War for Cybertron).

Tidalwavex wrote:(1) USA Hasbro G-1 1987 Season 4.

Commander of a small contingent of Autobots on a distant planet. Not actually commander of all the Autobots. Huge difference.

Tidalwavex wrote:(2)In the marvel TF G-1 comics. Spike was in charge of half of the transformers forces & they were under his direct command. spike was bonded to cerebros & fort max. grimlock was in charge of the non-nebulan transformers. while spike was in charge of the nebulan transformers.

Yeah. Again, it looks like the human was in command of nothing particularly important.

Tidalwavex wrote:(3)Takara's masterforce cartoon series had Ginrai a earth human in charge of the transformers on earth. While for a brief period the two evil godmasters humans were in charge of the decepticons forces on the earth. because the two evil godmasters humans were controlling Overlord.

So who was in charge of the non-Earthbound Transformers?

Tidalwavex wrote:(4)In the newest Hasbro 2011 "Rescue bots" Transformers cartoon series. a human gives the rescue bots orders to transform.

The Rescue bots are under the command of Optimus Prime, though. He's voiced by Peter Cullen and everything.

Tidalwavex wrote:(5)The Marvel comic G.I Joe issues #138 thru #141 had a G-2 Prequel TF VS G.I Joe cross-overs. that showed spike bonding back with fortmax to take charge of a small rag tag team...

Tidalwavex wrote:(6)In the IDW TF G-1 "All Hail Bumblebee" mini series. a human tricked the newbie autobot leader bumblebee to install some type of Devices on some of the earth based autobots. after the stuff was installed on the autobots,a human took charge of the earth based autobots for a short while. bumblebee & his autobots were scarred & taking orders from a human for a while. the human & his group of humans had a remote device that was capable of temporary shutting down transformers systems.

So... this humans was simply coercing the Autobots into doing stuff, while Bee remained the de jure leader? Or what?

cotss2012 wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:(3)Takara's masterforce cartoon series had Ginrai a earth human in charge of the transformers on earth. While for a brief period the two evil godmasters humans were in charge of the decepticons forces on the earth. because the two evil godmasters humans were controlling Overlord.

So who was in charge of the non-Earthbound Transformers?

Fortress Maximus was in charge of the space-bound Autobots, but Ginrai had been bestowed the official title of Autobot Supreme Commander, the highest rank. Fort Max was the former Supreme Commander.

For the Decepticons, all of them (Earth-bound and space-bound) were ruled by the energy god, Devil Z (pronounced "zed"). But, while he was inactive, Giga and Mega were in charge of the Earth Decepticons, and BlackZarak was in charge of the space-bound Decepticons. However, BlackZarak was specifically stated to have always been Devil Z's minion, and when he came to Earth, it was when Devil Z was actively in charge near the end of the series. But for the series majority, Giga and Mega were in command.

cotss2012 wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:(1) USA Hasbro G-1 1987 Season 4.

Commander of a small contingent of Autobots on a distant planet. Not actually commander of all the Autobots. Huge difference.

Tidalwavex wrote:(2)In the marvel TF G-1 comics. Spike was in charge of half of the transformers forces & they were under his direct command. spike was bonded to cerebros & fort max. grimlock was in charge of the non-nebulan transformers. while spike was in charge of the nebulan transformers.

Yeah. Again, it looks like the human was in command of nothing particularly important.

Tidalwavex wrote:(3)Takara's masterforce cartoon series had Ginrai a earth human in charge of the transformers on earth. While for a brief period the two evil godmasters humans were in charge of the decepticons forces on the earth. because the two evil godmasters humans were controlling Overlord.

So who was in charge of the non-Earthbound Transformers?

Tidalwavex wrote:(4)In the newest Hasbro 2011 "Rescue bots" Transformers cartoon series. a human gives the rescue bots orders to transform.

The Rescue bots are under the command of Optimus Prime, though. He's voiced by Peter Cullen and everything.

Tidalwavex wrote:(5)The Marvel comic G.I Joe issues #138 thru #141 had a G-2 Prequel TF VS G.I Joe cross-overs. that showed spike bonding back with fortmax to take charge of a small rag tag team...

Tidalwavex wrote:(6)In the IDW TF G-1 "All Hail Bumblebee" mini series. a human tricked the newbie autobot leader bumblebee to install some type of Devices on some of the earth based autobots. after the stuff was installed on the autobots,a human took charge of the earth based autobots for a short while. bumblebee & his autobots were scarred & taking orders from a human for a while. the human & his group of humans had a remote device that was capable of temporary shutting down transformers systems.

So... this humans was simply coercing the Autobots into doing stuff, while Bee remained the de jure leader? Or what?

Why are you giving those weird responses if you seem to know no info about examples #2 thru #6.

It's really easy to research the info on the internet.

Sabrblade wrote:I have another wish for Prime season 2.

Now, I know we've already heard something about this, but I'll say it anyway. I want Bumblebee to either get his voice back or have a flashback to when he lost it. And when he speaks, I want him to be voiced by Johnny Young Bosch again (who, IMO, did an amazing job voicing him in War for Cybertron).

I'm going to have to second this. I absolutely adored Bosch's voice for Bumblebee. It helped to bring out the youthful nature of the character, yet it didn't make him quite as young or naive as his Animated incarnation. If they can't get him back, at least get someone who can voice him in a similar manner.

Maybe not for Season two, but I do hope shockwave shows up as a major villan AT SOME POINT in this story, in his full glory. worst part of DoTM was shockwave, easily. Such a disappointment.

Tidalwavex wrote:Why are you giving those weird responses if you seem to know no info about examples #2 thru #6.

You're being unfairly harsh. I'm totally familiar with #4.

Forgot something.

cotss2012 wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:(2)In the marvel TF G-1 comics. Spike was in charge of half of the transformers forces & they were under his direct command. spike was bonded to cerebros & fort max. grimlock was in charge of the non-nebulan transformers. while spike was in charge of the nebulan transformers.

Yeah. Again, it looks like the human was in command of nothing particularly important.

Well, then I guess you could say the same for both Optimus Prime and his successor Grimlock.

cotss2012 wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Why are you giving those weird responses if you seem to know no info about examples #2 thru #6.

You're being unfairly harsh. I'm totally familiar with #4.

Apparently your not familiar with #4. because in your reply regarding this. you stated Optimus Prime is the commander of the of the 4 rescue bots in the new rescue bots 2011 cartoon series.

Had you bothered to watch both Rescue bots episodes & make notes of key info that was spoken. you would have heard the following: (1)Optimus Prime tells heatwave & the other three rescue bots that they are now under the human police chief's command. optimus ordered the four rescue bots to learn as much as possible.

Optimus is only doing cameo appearances in the rescue bots episodes. he's not a core character. optimus won't be giving the four rescue bots command orders in each individual episode. the rescue bots will go wherever the police chief decides they should go,as he & his family are in charge of them & giving them command orders.