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Yotsuyasan wrote:fenrir72 wrote:It may just be your "opinion" about recognizing Jazz and Mirage without those alcohol and tobacco endorsements from the original inspiration vehicles that Diaclone/Transformers used. On my side, I feel Jazz might escape the "Martini" logo but he is very iconic with the royal blue, red stripe and dark blue back ground paterns of Martini. See how his binaltech release looked like an anemic and generic bot?
Gitanes' gypsie girl logo plus the F1 Elf makes Mirage Mirage. As for the former not having a strong presence in the USA, never underestimate an "ambulance chaser" chance to raise some issue to earn a fast buck.
Obviously then, since this toy has no Martini markings:
And this toy has no Citanes markings:
...then you have absolutely no idea who these two characters are then, right? They are absolutely unidentifiable as Jazz or Mirage, and are thus the worst toys ever! Pardon me, I must throw mine out immediately.
(Well, maybe not my Jazz...)
(Thanks, Reprolabels!)
If Takara makes these characters, I am sure they will have all of the appropriate markings. And at the very least, Jazz should have no problems with importers, since the laws in question here apply to tobacco, not alcohol. So I don't know why we are even discussing Jazz.
If Takara makes a Mirage, I suppose it is hypothetically possible this problem might rear its head again. I doubt it, as I still think Gitanes, as a company without a US presence (that I know of) would have no reason to object to their sale. (Thus, who exactly would your hypothetical ambulance chaser be going after? There'd be no one for him to sue in a US court of law.) But a hypothetical Hasbro release might still be possible, because I think most people (obviously with you as an exception) will still recognize him as Mirage without the Citanes marking.
Exhaust, on the other hand, needs the distinctive red patch to look like Exhaust. So he has problems that Mirage and Jazz wouldn't.
Anyway, isn't this all rather academic at best? Until such time as Takara actually produces either character in the Masterpiece line, if they even ever do so, and then once we can see what details are included on their decos, is there even a point in arguing any of this?
Rated X wrote:This is the most stupid argument based on the pure greed of the tobacco industry. With all the lives the Marlboro man has claimed in the past century, Marlboro should be paying Takara for advertising their product. If Takara was Chinese instead of Japanses, Marlboro wouldn't waste their time. Personally I hope the Chinese KO guys who already KOed the Wheeljack mold make proper Marlboro Wheeljacks with the stinking red bowtie. To add insult to injury they can put Marlboro instead of Marlboor. Screw the cigarette industry. I hope Canibus legalization puts them all out of business within this decade.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
fenrir72 wrote:Kyosho manage to get around the Malboor fix by:
1. Rounded out the "angles" of the logo
2. Got rid of those two "badges"
3. Malboro use red color fonts for their symbol so why not color it G1 Predacon orange?
Ask kyosho how they managed to?
And JZGR, that's the point I was referencing, "selling" tobacco products to minors (?) issue Well, either go strict (?) the way PayPal doesn't allow use of their system to purchase adult themed products ( a joke of a restriction if you ask me) or simply go by the CC ID route. or the other options I posted (realistic ones at that).
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Kyosho manage to get around the Malboor fix by:
1. Rounded out the "angles" of the logo
2. Got rid of those two "badges"
3. Malboro use red color fonts for their symbol so why not color it G1 Predacon orange?
Ask kyosho how they managed to?
And JZGR, that's the point I was referencing, "selling" tobacco products to minors (?) issue Well, either go strict (?) the way PayPal doesn't allow use of their system to purchase adult themed products ( a joke of a restriction if you ask me) or simply go by the CC ID route. or the other options I posted (realistic ones at that).
A better question would be how the site is allowed to sell it since it's based in the US. Like I suggested before, the companies that make such model cars may fall under a different legal category (possibly "Adult Collectible" like FunPub is) and not "Toys", regardless of location and trademarks obtained.
fenrir72 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Kyosho manage to get around the Malboor fix by:
1. Rounded out the "angles" of the logo
2. Got rid of those two "badges"
3. Malboro use red color fonts for their symbol so why not color it G1 Predacon orange?
Ask kyosho how they managed to?
And JZGR, that's the point I was referencing, "selling" tobacco products to minors (?) issue Well, either go strict (?) the way PayPal doesn't allow use of their system to purchase adult themed products ( a joke of a restriction if you ask me) or simply go by the CC ID route. or the other options I posted (realistic ones at that).
A better question would be how the site is allowed to sell it since it's based in the US. Like I suggested before, the companies that make such model cars may fall under a different legal category (possibly "Adult Collectible" like FunPub is) and not "Toys", regardless of location and trademarks obtained.
So "wink wink", MP can't be categorized as Adult collectible then>
megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:This is the most stupid argument based on the pure greed of the tobacco industry. With all the lives the Marlboro man has claimed in the past century, Marlboro should be paying Takara for advertising their product. If Takara was Chinese instead of Japanses, Marlboro wouldn't waste their time. Personally I hope the Chinese KO guys who already KOed the Wheeljack mold make proper Marlboro Wheeljacks with the stinking red bowtie. To add insult to injury they can put Marlboro instead of Marlboor. Screw the cigarette industry. I hope Canibus legalization puts them all out of business within this decade.
Outside of my suspicion that you misunderstand what's happening here, there's a marijuana-related point I'd like to address...
Who do you think is best poised to industrialize cannabis? You guessed it, the tobacco companies. If weed is legalized on a federal level, it may just breath new life into big tobacco.
Rated X wrote:megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:This is the most stupid argument based on the pure greed of the tobacco industry. With all the lives the Marlboro man has claimed in the past century, Marlboro should be paying Takara for advertising their product. If Takara was Chinese instead of Japanses, Marlboro wouldn't waste their time. Personally I hope the Chinese KO guys who already KOed the Wheeljack mold make proper Marlboro Wheeljacks with the stinking red bowtie. To add insult to injury they can put Marlboro instead of Marlboor. Screw the cigarette industry. I hope Canibus legalization puts them all out of business within this decade.
Outside of my suspicion that you misunderstand what's happening here, there's a marijuana-related point I'd like to address...
Who do you think is best poised to industrialize cannabis? You guessed it, the tobacco companies. If weed is legalized on a federal level, it may just breath new life into big tobacco.
I understand exactly what's happening here. Marlboro is getting greedy and wants to claim IP rights to the deco as if it were the real car from the 80's.
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Takara Transformers Masterpiece MP-23 Decepticon Exhaust with Exclusive Coin.
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USD59.9
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-Kanrabat- wrote:YEah, too many Transformers are in a serious need of a good rim job.
Blast Cannon wrote:This thread is brilliant. Duragrip you are a gloriously weird sexual deviant and I love it.
fenrir72 wrote:That sucks LC..........for the American market that is.
Btw, now there is mention of copyright infringement.
Robogeek1973 wrote:As of right now HLJ is honoring preorders from U.S folks that have preordered already.
So yay, mine are safe......for now.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:fenrir72 wrote:That sucks LC..........for the American market that is.
Btw, now there is mention of copyright infringement.
I have a hunch that the latter is more like a "legal safety net" than anything else. Note how everything is aimed towards "US" and not other places like "Europe" or "Australia"
this is getting worse by the day....Cyberpath wrote:I think HLJ, AmiAmi and Anime-Export all removed MP-23 from their listing.
Still up on Amazon Japan though.
shajaki wrote:maybe this has already been answered, but will it be legal to sell these on ebay?
Cyberpath wrote:I think HLJ, AmiAmi and Anime-Export all removed MP-23 from their listing.
Still up on Amazon Japan though.
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