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Masterpiece MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:08 pm

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Just keep in mind that HLJ is pretty strict about shipping rules and won't ship anything over 15,000 JPY by any form of SAL, registered or not.

Any item or combination of items over over 2 kilograms in weight, over 90cm in the combined height x length x width measurement, or over 15,000 yen in value will be shipped by a trackable method, even if you request Standard International shipping (SAL). Please understand that Registered SAL is not considered a trackable method.

Emphasis their own. I doubt the Megatron package will weigh more than 2 kg, but at 18,400 JPY it's over the price limit. But it may not be worth going with SAL even if it were available. Check out what happens to MP Ultra Magnus' shipping prices (which can ship SAL):

Express Int'l Courier
Usually ships by FedEx (Trackable)
(averages 2-5 business days)
¥3,430

Express Int'l Shipping
Usually ships by EMS (Trackable)
(averages 2-7 business days)
¥4,260

Standard Int'l Shipping
Usually ships by SAL
(averages 10-30 business days)
¥5,100


Yeah, SAL is the most expensive, not the cheapest. Not sure what Megatron is going to weigh, but probably less than UM so the express shipping options should be lower.

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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:58 pm

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Cyberpath wrote:Also up on Amazon Japan, and they have this photo with the background removed:

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Just got MP-05 out of storage and compare the strides the design team has implemented.....let me just say, with MP-01, despite it's age (circa 2004), despite his lack of a "neck", imho has aged quite well as the design can still stand the test of time. MP-05 on the other hand...does kind of suck with his very skinny legs.

MP-36's beefy legs and arms plus the other features really makes him the best Megs yet (based on images that is). Face, captures most of the anime. MP-05 reminds me of the UK poster design though not bad but it does look, well aged.Not too mention no stock extensions.

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A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby william-james88 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:45 pm

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From reading the comments it has come to our attention that buying our dear toys online is not the simplest endeavour, especially when the price range can be so wide along with all the differences between each online vendor. With Masterpiece toys, there is also the issue of having it imported for you or importing it yourself. Added to that, with a Masterpiece Megatron toy, you also have to deal with it turning into a gun and what that might entail. So here is a rundown of a range of online vendors (not an exhaustive list, I just picked those of which I know best) showing you what your options are, how you can get him for much cheaper than it seemed at first, but also what you are giving up with the cheaper price. I hope this helps.

Importing from Japan

We will now be looking at 4 Japanese sites where you can import the figure yourself. This means that you are to deal with possible customs fees (applicable to Canadians, Europeans, ect) and will be paying a hefty fee to ship the product from Japan. However, these sites get their products from Takara and thus will have the best prices online. None of these Japanese vendors will be opening the package to insert an orange plug into the barrel.

Nippon Yassan: We are starting with them because unlike every other Japanese vendor, they actually give you an estimate on the shipping, which you must pay up front. This gives us our best idea at what other places will charge for shipping. Here are the shipping quotes given for Masterpiece Megatron to ship to North America (or a similar distance from Japan).

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Keep in mind, these are all estimates and they may fluctuate depending on vendor and the conversion rate. We can see that for 2-3 week shipping without a tracking number, it is 24.90 Yen ($22.82 USD), with 3$ more for tracking, and the 3-4 days shipping, called EMS, is 4500 Yen ($41.24). These estimated shipping prices will be used for the other sites as we go through the list.

The price of their Megatron is 16580 Yen ($151.94 USD). They have both a pay up front option (where you pay for both the figure and estimated shipping up front) and a pay later option. I have only ever used the pay upfront option (in fear that the yen would rise).
Here is a quote from them regarding this payment option:

"You will receive a notification for the deadline of the payment few weeks or few days before the release of the product, if it reaches the deadline without the payment, this pre-order will be automatically cancelled."

Since they do not have the item in hand to weigh, it can be that their shipping estimate is wrong and they are at liberty to ask you to pay more for shipping if it's more than expected. However, this rarely happens and is more an exception. For instance, it happened with Fortress Maximus, who is very in his own league. You cannot cancel an order with them. They will mark a low amount in the customs form to help the package get through customs quicker and avoid the buyer to pay extra duty upon arrival. I suggest you write to them to confirm you want them to do that. This comes in very handy for people living in countries that have strict duty laws and a heavy taxation.

Price Range of total from 2-3 week shipping to 3-4 day shipping: 19070 - 21080 Yen ($174.75 - $199.77 USD)

Anime Export: Their offer expires November 28th 2016. After that, you will not be able to get this toy for 16100 Yen ($147.54 USD). The reason it is lower than other Japanese sites is because they require you to pay up front. And as anyone who took a finance course might know, cash today is always worth more than cash tomorrow and since they can keep a healthy cash flow (and require less credit from their supplier), they can pass their savings onto you.You will only be charged for the figure and you will be charged for shipping later when the figure is in stock. You cannot cancel an order with them. Also, like Nippon Yassan, they will help you with customs but you must write to them to let them know you would like a lower amount written in the customs form for the product's worth.

Price Range of total from 2-3 week shipping to 3-4 day shipping: 18840- 2060 Yen ($172.65 - $188.77 USD)

Amiami: They are an in between as you will see. Their price is a bit higher, at 17280 Yen ($158.43 USD) but you do not need to pay right away. You are only required to pay when the item is in stock. Cancelling an order is ill seen for this company. If you really can't pay by the time an item is in stock, they can relinquish your order but you may not be welcome to buy from them again. They will write the full amount of the toy's worth on the customs form.

Price Range of total from 2-3 week shipping to 3-4 day shipping: 20020- 21780 Yen ($183.46 - $199.59 USD)

HLJ: They are pricier than others, at 18400 Yen ($168.61 USD) and that is because they offer the most perks. Like stateside vendors, you do not need to pay ahead of time and you can cancel your order at any time before it is in stock. They are used to catering to western consumers and are thus currently looking into whether or not an orange plug will be attached to the barrel:

"Specifics of its packaging are still in the planning stage. When more information is available in the New Year, we’ll determine how best to get this item safely to our customers worldwide. If it turns out to require modification, affected customers will be contacted."

They will write out the full amount of the product's worth on the customs form and since this product is above a price treshold, they will only use the pricier (and faster) shipping option.

EDIT: This policy of theirs seems to have changed and thus a cheaper shipping option may be available.

Price of total for 3-4 day shipping: 22900 Yen ($209.85 USD)


Buying from Importers

As you may notice from all that is above, importing from Japan is not the most sraightforward or streamlined way to get your toys, especially if you have to figure out local laws (like taxation or gun replicas). If you don't want the trouble of importing a product yourself, country specific importers can do it all for you, at a cost. That means they will be paying the high shipping fee you saw above and will thus raise their price to pass the cost onto the buyers. Also, since Takara is contractually not allowed to deal with vendors outside Japan, importers usually deal with an extra middleman which also increases their cost and yours. Their price should not be seen as just the worth of the toy but also the fee for their service of importing it. Many countries or areas have their own importers. Canada has Ages 3 and Up, the UK has Kapow, Australia has Premium Collectables, China has Robot Kingdom, ect.

There are quite a few of these importers dedicated for US customers, like BBTS, TFSource, AJ's Toy Chest, Chosen Prime, VNC Toys and others. All these US vendors are currently selling Megatron for $230 USD, and some offer free shipping. They typically allow you to cancel any preorder that isn't in stock yet and you do not have to pay in advance. To conform to the US law, since they are US vendors, they will be adding an orange plug. It is unknown at this time if it will be glued or not.
While some do ship internationally, they write out the full worth of the toy on the customs form, to conform with US law.

Extra notes:

If you buy from Japan, make sure to pay in YEN. A few sites have their own currency conversion which is always less favourable than either Paypal or your own credit card exchange (I personally use an Amazon Visa card for these purchases since it charges no fees for conversion).

Australia has very strict laws and thus I would advise any Australians to look into their own country specific options for this toy (Premium Collectibles seems to be the best place for the least hassle, so head over there for more info. Griffin of OzFormers has put together a handy resource detailing the different laws around Australia and how it affects replica firearm Transformers.

USA customers are not charged duty and thus it does not matter if the price stated on the customs form is high. It would actually be advantageous for it to be as close to the worth of the toy so that it is properly insured.

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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:53 pm

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Burn wrote:Griffin of OzFormers has put together a handy resource detailing the different laws around Australia and how it affects replica firearm Transformers.
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:26 pm

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william-james88 wrote:TFSource: They are almost the same as BBTS with the main difference being that they ship for free when an order is over $150 and thus their $230 Megatron toy would ship for free. The details of the orange plug are still unknown for this vendor.


Technically, there is no Free shipping. The cost is already incorporated to the product. Same thing with some ebay products/vendors.
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:03 am

Is anyone else getting everything after the first paragraph with a strikethrough font? And I mean EVERYTHING, the link to post a comment and all the comments included? Did I break my computer in a weird/annoying way?

Edit: this only appears that way when viewing the news post, not in the actual formus as in viewing my own comment after making it.
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:04 am

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:Is anyone else getting everything after the first paragraph with a strikethrough font? And I mean EVERYTHING, the link to post a comment and all the comments included? Did I break my computer in a weird/annoying way?

It happened to me too for a few minutes. it went away though
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:06 am

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Is anyone else getting everything after the first paragraph with a strikethrough font? And I mean EVERYTHING, the link to post a comment and all the comments included? Did I break my computer in a weird/annoying way?

It happened to me too for a few minutes. it went away though


Whew, me too, seems fine now. Good to know I'm not going crazy. Well, okay, crazier.
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby Cyberpath » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:03 am

william-james88 wrote:HLJ: They are pricier than others, at 18400 Yen ($168.61 USD) and that is because they offer the most perks. Like stateside vendors, you do not need to pay ahead of time and you can cancel your order at any time before it is in stock. They will write out the full amount of the product's worth on the customs form and since this product is above a price treshold, they will only use the pricier (and faster) shipping option.

Price of total for 3-4 day shipping: 22900 Yen ($209.85 USD)

I think they switched it back, so you can once again ship larger toys via registered SAL.

I definitely had MP-10 (¥18,300 shipped) sent via SAL a few months ago.
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby dragons » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:53 am

Preorder prices wasn't like that last week it was stuck on 255.99
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby nycPrime » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:44 am

william-james88 wrote:None of these Japanese vendors will be opening the package to insert an orange plug into the barrel.

FWIW, HLJ went out of their way to send me a follow-up email last night:

"Specifics of its packaging are still in the planning stage. When more information is available in the New Year, we’ll determine how best to get this item safely to our customers worldwide. If it turns out to require modification, affected customers will be contacted."

Sounds like they're giving themselves some wiggle room in case something needs to be done?
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby worldsgreatest » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:14 am

If you choose 'pay later' at Nippon-Yassan you do not have to pay up front. From my confirmation email:

"You will receive a notification for the deadline of the payment few weeks or few days before the release of the product, if it reaches the deadline without the payment, this pre-order will be automatically cancelled."
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:59 am

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fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:TFSource: They are almost the same as BBTS with the main difference being that they ship for free when an order is over $150 and thus their $230 Megatron toy would ship for free. The details of the orange plug are still unknown for this vendor.


Technically, there is no Free shipping. The cost is already incorporated to the product. Same thing with some ebay products/vendors.

Its definitely free compared to BBTS. If the shipping was already incorporated then why does BBTS charge shipping on top when both their price and TFSource's price is the same?

Anyways, thanks for all the extra tips, I added them to the guide. Crazy how rules are changing as we speak. I will change the spread sheet tonight with some yellow to mean "not sure".
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:02 am

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Ravage XK wrote:Has anyone worked out the cheapest way to get Megatron in the UK?

Yeah, it would be anime export or nippon yassan (for about 140-145 pounds) but you have to write to them to ensure that they write a low declared value of the figure on the customs form. The links are in the article.
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby Ravage XK » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:12 am

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william-james88 wrote:
Ravage XK wrote:Has anyone worked out the cheapest way to get Megatron in the UK?

Yeah, it would be anime export or nippon yassan (for about 140-145 pounds) but you have to write to them to ensure that they write a low declared value of the figure on the customs form. The links are in the article.



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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

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william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:TFSource: They are almost the same as BBTS with the main difference being that they ship for free when an order is over $150 and thus their $230 Megatron toy would ship for free. The details of the orange plug are still unknown for this vendor.


Technically, there is no Free shipping. The cost is already incorporated to the product. Same thing with some ebay products/vendors.

Its definitely free compared to BBTS. If the shipping was already incorporated then why does BBTS charge shipping on top when both their price and TFSource's price is the same?

Anyways, thanks for all the extra tips, I added them to the guide. Crazy how rules are changing as we speak. I will change the spread sheet tonight with some yellow to mean "not sure".

I disagree that it's not free by any reckoning. If you make a purchase on TF source for 149.99, you have to pay for shipping, where the same costed item above 150.00 on BBTS will not include shipping.

I've purchased from both, and still do for certain items. I'd obviously rather get free shipping on big purchases (who wouldn't).
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby fenrir72 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:07 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:TFSource: They are almost the same as BBTS with the main difference being that they ship for free when an order is over $150 and thus their $230 Megatron toy would ship for free. The details of the orange plug are still unknown for this vendor.


Technically, there is no Free shipping. The cost is already incorporated to the product. Same thing with some ebay products/vendors.

Its definitely free compared to BBTS. If the shipping was already incorporated then why does BBTS charge shipping on top when both their price and TFSource's price is the same?

Anyways, thanks for all the extra tips, I added them to the guide. Crazy how rules are changing as we speak. I will change the spread sheet tonight with some yellow to mean "not sure".


When you run a business, there is no such a thing as a free ride. You are in it for profit. The cost overruns is already incorporated for the entire stock/inventory.
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:09 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:TFSource: They are almost the same as BBTS with the main difference being that they ship for free when an order is over $150 and thus their $230 Megatron toy would ship for free. The details of the orange plug are still unknown for this vendor.


Technically, there is no Free shipping. The cost is already incorporated to the product. Same thing with some ebay products/vendors.

Its definitely free compared to BBTS. If the shipping was already incorporated then why does BBTS charge shipping on top when both their price and TFSource's price is the same?

Anyways, thanks for all the extra tips, I added them to the guide. Crazy how rules are changing as we speak. I will change the spread sheet tonight with some yellow to mean "not sure".


When you run a business, there is no such a thing as a free ride. You are in it for profit. The cost overruns is already incorporated for the entire stock/inventory.


So answer me this: why does TF Source not charge for shipping when other sites do (for orders above $150) when all websites have the same price? Are you saying that the other sites are more greedy than them?
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:53 pm

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I've found for large orders that involve stuff more collectible in nature, I like TFSource. The free shipping is a nice thing, and yeah, some prices are the same and sometimes there are prices elsewhere that are cheaper. But in the case of BBTS for me: the cheapest shipping I can get to my place for a deluxe class figure is $13. That is almost as much as the figure. I tried it out for MP SG Prime: my shipping was going to be $30! And he's the same price between the 2!

IDK how TFsource can sneak away with offering things for about the same price and offering the free shipping on pricier orders, but I like it, and that's why I am using them.
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby fenrir72 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:37 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:TFSource: They are almost the same as BBTS with the main difference being that they ship for free when an order is over $150 and thus their $230 Megatron toy would ship for free. The details of the orange plug are still unknown for this vendor.


Technically, there is no Free shipping. The cost is already incorporated to the product. Same thing with some ebay products/vendors.

Its definitely free compared to BBTS. If the shipping was already incorporated then why does BBTS charge shipping on top when both their price and TFSource's price is the same?

Anyways, thanks for all the extra tips, I added them to the guide. Crazy how rules are changing as we speak. I will change the spread sheet tonight with some yellow to mean "not sure".


When you run a business, there is no such a thing as a free ride. You are in it for profit. The cost overruns is already incorporated for the entire stock/inventory.


So answer me this: why does TF Source not charge for shipping when other sites do (for orders above $150) when all websites have the same price? Are you saying that the other sites are more greedy than them?


They are using a different business model. Profit motive shouldn't always be equated with greed. Those who think that way are the occupy wallstreet give me everything free cradle to grave types.

Profit motive is the incentive to improve ones self or business. Take seibertron for instance, Ryan built the site out of love for the hobby but he needs the advertisement revenue to keep the site afloat. Maintaining the server, hiring an IT to design the site, keep the site up and improve on security etc etc. Sure he don't charge for membership (he is using a "different business model") but the revenue from the ads and the traffic compensates for that.

Speaking of a different business model, comparing different sites is wrong. Apples are apples, oranges are oranges. One company maybe US based, let's say Texas where the business tax rates are low while another maybe California or overseas where the tax rates are higher. Those factor in on how you charge for your goods. The "others" aren't so much as greedy as they are unable to give out "special offers".

I though you should have known better than putting out blanket statements of "Are you saying that the other sites are more greedy than them?"
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby Bumblebee21 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:40 am

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Tf source isn't the only ije that has free shipping on orders over 150
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby Agamemnon » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:01 am

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william-james88 wrote:
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william-james88 wrote:TFSource: They are almost the same as BBTS with the main difference being that they ship for free when an order is over $150 and thus their $230 Megatron toy would ship for free. The details of the orange plug are still unknown for this vendor.


Technically, there is no Free shipping. The cost is already incorporated to the product. Same thing with some ebay products/vendors.

Its definitely free compared to BBTS. If the shipping was already incorporated then why does BBTS charge shipping on top when both their price and TFSource's price is the same?

Anyways, thanks for all the extra tips, I added them to the guide. Crazy how rules are changing as we speak. I will change the spread sheet tonight with some yellow to mean "not sure".


When you run a business, there is no such a thing as a free ride. You are in it for profit. The cost overruns is already incorporated for the entire stock/inventory.


So answer me this: why does TF Source not charge for shipping when other sites do (for orders above $150) when all websites have the same price? Are you saying that the other sites are more greedy than them?

To get you to buy more stuff to get over the $150 threshold. (fenrir72 explained it in more detail, but this is in essence the marketing approach some stores take.)
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Re: A Guide to Buying MP-36 Megatron Online: How to Get him for $175 and more Useful Info

Postby william-james88 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:37 am

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fenrir72 wrote:Speaking of a different business model, comparing different sites is wrong. Apples are apples, oranges are oranges. One company maybe US based, let's say Texas where the business tax rates are low while another maybe California or overseas where the tax rates are higher. Those factor in on how you charge for your goods. The "others" aren't so much as greedy as they are unable to give out "special offers".

I though you should have known better than putting out blanket statements of "Are you saying that the other sites are more greedy than them?"


I should know better yes, but its what I was thinking and felt comfortable with you guys to ask :) And it resulted in a great response from you (and Agamemnon) which I am thankful for. All good stuff here. I think that "free" shipping for a treshold is smart. I dont know if there is any behavioural rreearch done in marketting where its proven that having one gives more sales than not having one but the logic makes sense with people wanting to buy a bit more to get that free shipping.

Speaking of which, hot damn D-Max tha is expensive shipping for a deluxe, its the same as how much it costs canadians.
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Re: Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron Discussion Thread

Postby nycPrime » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:53 am

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:But in the case of BBTS for me: the cheapest shipping I can get to my place for a deluxe class figure is $13. That is almost as much as the figure. I tried it out for MP SG Prime: my shipping was going to be $30! And he's the same price between the 2!

Wait, what?! I've ordered a few times from BBTS. Shipping for only Leader Jetfire was $5, and about $10 for UW Computron. I don't think you're that far from me that would justify that much of an increase in shipping costs.
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