Sodan-1 wrote:Rated X wrote:Sodan-1 wrote:Rated X wrote:And a train isnt that far off from a truck actually. It made sense in Hearts of Steel. And what was Megatron in Hearts of Steel ? A cannon in true G1 style...not some stupid rolling battle platform.
Hearts of Steel is as G1 as the Stormbringer comics that inspired this design, not to mention that a tank is just as close to the evolution of the cannon as the truck is to the evolution of the train, and more so than a pistol. Then there's the fact Megatron took the form of a tank long before and far more often than Optimus has a train.
Seriously X, your reasoning is beyond illogical.
I respectfully disagree. A cannon is not a motor driven vehicle. A tank is. So a cannon is closer to a gun then a tank. Think of it as a BFG (big f**ing gun) And just to strengthen my arguement even further, ill throw in the fact that in the G1 cartoon, Megatron was reformatted into Galvatron. Galvatron turned into a cannon, not a tank. They could have made him a tank, but they didnt. Back then, parents were cool and didnt mind kids embracing firearms of all shapes and sizes including cannons. But todays parents have been neutered along with Hasbro. And that my friend, is how Megatron got his tank mode. Galvatron also got neutered in the universe line. Now he is a tank too.
Cannons for the most part (and particularly the one HoS Megatron transformed into) are mobile field artillery; big guns on wheels. Sounds more like a tank than a pistol to me. Putting aside the fact that in reality traditional pistols, cannons or tanks don't function without human input, cannon and tanks at least possess built-in mechanics that allow them to move (through wheels or tracks) and aim themselves (wheels/tracks and turrets) just as a Transformer would. A handheld firearm only possesses the mechanics that allow it to fire its projectiles, and is completely dependent on external influences when it comes to moving and aiming. So a sentient cannon or tank could move, aim and fire itself. Meanwhile, a sentient pistol is flopping around on the floor hoping the recoil from each blast lines it up with its target.
My point being there are more similarities between cannon and tank than cannon and pistol. So if cannon are allowed because of their similarities with guns, then surely tanks are as well.
As for your point on reformatting, the Insecticons were reformatted into Sweeps and Cyclonus. Does that make Cyclonus and Scourge variations of insects?
Finally the shift away from pistol transformers wasn't about how 'cool' mum and dad were. It was about their potential for use as imitation firearms and threatening folk with them. Harder to do that with a tank that sits in the palm of your hand. At the end of the day if parents don't want their children playing with toy guns, they're not going to give tanks and robots with missile launchers the big
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Ill give you credit for the cannon facts. Although if you look at cannons from a nautical point of view, they are the ships guns; making the ship the tank, not the cannons. And then there are cannons mounted on Civil War forts, making them more similar to guns than tanks. Granted, Hearts of Steel Megatron transformed into a mobile field cannon, but in reality that’s nothing more than a fort or ship cannon mounted on wheels. Calling it the equivalent of a tank seems logical, but then if I put wings on a cannon, that would make it the equivalent of a fighter jet ? If I put fins and a periscope on a cannon would that make it the equivalent of a nuclear submarine ? I think not. At the end of the day all you have is a big gun that has been modified to be mobile in its environment. In this case you have a big gun on wheels. My opinion is the ability to move with a driver rather than being pushed or pulled would make it the equivalent of a tank.
While Cyclonus and Scourge are not “Insecticons”, they did retain the Insecticons ability to clone themselves. And remember, Cyclonus was supposed to have an “Armada” in the original script. The idea was scrapped, but Orson Wells had already recorded the vocals stating “Cyclonus the Warrior, and his own Armada” where one Cyclonus clone was seen.
Now for a blast from the past… Lets take a look at my last 3 surviving 1980’s toy guns. Remember when it was actually fun to be a kid ? If I had to be a kid living by today’s social standards and paranoia, the only thing I would want to shoot would be myself.
M-16 - I proudly speak of the moment I used that toy M-16 to successfully scare away a hovering news helicopter that was filming something very close to my house. That moment was priceless.
Revolver cap gun – Remember when the word “cap” didn’t mean an orange tip at the end of your toy gun ? What ever happened to caps that used a minimal amount of gun powder to create a really cool BANG ? This toy scared a lot of unsuspecting gardening moms back in it’s day.
G1 Megatron – Coolest 1980’s toy ever ! What kid didn’t feel like a bad ass with one of these in hand ?
Call my childhood reckless if you want, but it was nothing compared to my neighbor who had BB guns. No neighborhood cat or birds were safe, lol. Now what do today’s kids get instead ? Orange caps and tanks. 100% neutered.
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