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Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

But Bay specifically rejected the idea of a spaceship. He thinks it's dumb. So we can close the spaceship case. No spaceship, near or far, for this Movie's continuity.

There will be no point for Prime and the others to be standing by the moon, or Mars, or any other Solar System planets for that matter. Before BB sent the signal, there was no cause for them to be waiting on a nearby lifeless alien planet, some with an atmosphere that could probably corrode or destroy their metal body. It doesn't make sense. Whereas, if the threat is urgent or imminent, even before BB send the signal, they should be hiding somewhere on Earth instead. So the Solar System case is out.

The nearest they can possibly be is on another star system, if ever there should be any reason for them to be there at all. More realistic guess is they're on another galaxy.

But then again, why stay on another galaxy? When they can be on their own galaxy. Probably on Cybertron itself. Or on a star system near Cybertron, to probably harness some form of energy.

So, my best logical guess is that, they came from Cybertron, or somewhere in the same galaxy where Cybertron is located.

If you read "Ghost of Yesterday" The Autobots and Decepticons do have ships. since protoforms would take too long to travel from one solar system to another, so I'm still in favor of a ship in orbit somewhere in the system.

Actually, there's inconsistencies between the Movie and the Prequel comics. Bay didn't follow strictly the story continuity from the comics. Or it's the other way around. The comics created their own prequel story, not strictly observing what Bay will dish out in the final version of the Movie. Come to think of it, even if the comics wants to, it may not be possible for them to do that, because the movie went thru a lot of changes in the final cut.

Anyway, judging from the way the Protoforms fell on Earth, i'd say, they came from a far away trajectory. Given Prime's conscious effort to avoid any human casualty, it is unlikely that they came down from a nearby ship. If the ship was nearby, say somewhere behind Mars or the Moon, it will be too easy for them to plot a freefall trajectory that will avoid any and all kinds of damage to human life and properties. Such as our primitive earthen NASA is able to do pinpoint placement of space probes on orbit around Saturn. Slight miscalculation could put the probe on a collision course with the millions of rocks orbiting around Saturn.

If Cybertronian spaceships are not as hightech as NASA, at least it could plot a drop on the outskirt of the city.

For me, this fact alone proves that the Protoforms should at least have travelled straight from another galaxy.

I'll give you that the protoforms came form outside the solar system, but not from another galaxy. There would be no way for the signal to travel that far in that short of time, unless they ahve wormholes, or they are planing on bringing the Space Bridge into the movie universe.

Actually, there's really no way for the signal to travel that fast even in the outskirts of the Solar System. It takes 20 minutes for a signal to reach Mars, hours to reach Pluto. It will take weeks for the signal to pass thru Oorts Cloud, which is still part of the Solar System.

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Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

But Bay specifically rejected the idea of a spaceship. He thinks it's dumb. So we can close the spaceship case. No spaceship, near or far, for this Movie's continuity.

There will be no point for Prime and the others to be standing by the moon, or Mars, or any other Solar System planets for that matter. Before BB sent the signal, there was no cause for them to be waiting on a nearby lifeless alien planet, some with an atmosphere that could probably corrode or destroy their metal body. It doesn't make sense. Whereas, if the threat is urgent or imminent, even before BB send the signal, they should be hiding somewhere on Earth instead. So the Solar System case is out.

The nearest they can possibly be is on another star system, if ever there should be any reason for them to be there at all. More realistic guess is they're on another galaxy.

But then again, why stay on another galaxy? When they can be on their own galaxy. Probably on Cybertron itself. Or on a star system near Cybertron, to probably harness some form of energy.

So, my best logical guess is that, they came from Cybertron, or somewhere in the same galaxy where Cybertron is located.

If you read "Ghost of Yesterday" The Autobots and Decepticons do have ships. since protoforms would take too long to travel from one solar system to another, so I'm still in favor of a ship in orbit somewhere in the system.

Actually, there's inconsistencies between the Movie and the Prequel comics. Bay didn't follow strictly the story continuity from the comics. Or it's the other way around. The comics created their own prequel story, not strictly observing what Bay will dish out in the final version of the Movie. Come to think of it, even if the comics wants to, it may not be possible for them to do that, because the movie went thru a lot of changes in the final cut.

Anyway, judging from the way the Protoforms fell on Earth, i'd say, they came from a far away trajectory. Given Prime's conscious effort to avoid any human casualty, it is unlikely that they came down from a nearby ship. If the ship was nearby, say somewhere behind Mars or the Moon, it will be too easy for them to plot a freefall trajectory that will avoid any and all kinds of damage to human life and properties. Such as our primitive earthen NASA is able to do pinpoint placement of space probes on orbit around Saturn. Slight miscalculation could put the probe on a collision course with the millions of rocks orbiting around Saturn.

If Cybertronian spaceships are not as hightech as NASA, at least it could plot a drop on the outskirt of the city.

For me, this fact alone proves that the Protoforms should at least have travelled straight from another galaxy.

I'll give you that the protoforms came form outside the solar system, but not from another galaxy. There would be no way for the signal to travel that far in that short of time, unless they ahve wormholes, or they are planing on bringing the Space Bridge into the movie universe.

Actually, there's really no way for the signal to travel that fast even in the outskirts of the Solar System. It takes 20 minutes for a signal to reach Mars, hours to reach Pluto. It will take weeks for the signal to pass thru Oorts Cloud, which is still part of the Solar System.

Which suports my theory that the Autobots were either in the system, or close by.

Deceptiwho? wrote:My question is how did he learn english?? If the others learned it through the Intranet htf did he learn it way back then??

Another inconsistency of the Movie. They should physically be very far away, beyond the reaches of our Solar System.

But communication-wise, they should be surprisingly very close.

No single logically sane theory can ever support both.

It's like in other sci-fi space odysseys. The spaceship crew, billions of miles away, can communicate with earth station in real time!

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Deceptiwho? wrote:My question is how did he learn english?? If the others learned it through the Intranet htf did he learn it way back then??

Some learn it thru the Internet.

Some learn it thru the Wolrd Wide Web.

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Deceptiwho? wrote:My question is how did he learn english?? If the others learned it through the Intranet htf did he learn it way back then??

Some learn it thru the Internet.

Some learn it thru the Wolrd Wide Web.

Internet, WWW is the same thing.

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Another inconsistency of the Movie. They should physically be very far away, beyond the reaches of our Solar System.

But communication-wise, they should be surprisingly very close.

No single logically sane theory can ever support both.

It's like in other sci-fi space odysseys. The spaceship crew, billions of miles away, can communicate with earth station in real time!

Leonardo wrote:

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Deceptiwho? wrote:My question is how did he learn english?? If the others learned it through the Intranet htf did he learn it way back then??

Some learn it thru the Internet.

Some learn it thru the Wolrd Wide Web.

Internet, WWW is the same thing.

No, they're not the same thing.

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Decepticon Spike wrote:[quote="Auto Bot.

Another inconsistency of the Movie. They should physically be very far away, beyond the reaches of our Solar System.

But communication-wise, they should be surprisingly very close.

No single logically sane theory can ever support both.

It's like in other sci-fi space odysseys. The spaceship crew, billions of miles away, can communicate with earth station in real time!

Subspace maybe, like the way thet transmitt messages on Star Trek?

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Decepticon Spike wrote:[quote="Auto Bot.

Another inconsistency of the Movie. They should physically be very far away, beyond the reaches of our Solar System.

But communication-wise, they should be surprisingly very close.

No single logically sane theory can ever support both.

It's like in other sci-fi space odysseys. The spaceship crew, billions of miles away, can communicate with earth station in real time!

Subspace maybe, like the way thet transmitt messages on Star Trek?

I believe Bay's brain is in sub-space. He must have left it in the subway before he directed this movie.

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Deceptiwho? wrote:My question is how did he learn english?? If the others learned it through the Intranet htf did he learn it way back then??

Some learn it thru the Internet.

Some learn it thru the Wolrd Wide Web.

Internet, WWW is the same thing.

No, they're not the same thing.

Please explain, because I thought the Web was the internet.

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Leonardo wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Deceptiwho? wrote:My question is how did he learn english?? If the others learned it through the Intranet htf did he learn it way back then??

Some learn it thru the Internet.

Some learn it thru the Wolrd Wide Web.

Internet, WWW is the same thing.

No, they're not the same thing.

Please explain, because I thought the Web was the internet.

The Web is only a part of the Internet that you can view in a Web Browser. The Internet is the physical network of multiple devices such as routers, switches, cables, etc.

The Internet is a worldwide, publicly accessible series of interconnected computer networks that transmit data by packet switching using the standard Internet Protocol (IP). It is a "network of networks" that consists of millions of smaller domestic, academic, business, and government networks, which together carry various information and services, such as electronic mail, online chat, file transfer, and the interlinked web pages and other resources of the World Wide Web.

Burn wrote:Actually the internet is the amalgam of various forms of computer communication, in particular, WWW, e-mail, and Usenet.

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I'll let Wiki handle it.

The Internet is a worldwide, publicly accessible series of interconnected computer networks that transmit data by packet switching using the standard Internet Protocol (IP). It is a "network of networks" that consists of millions of smaller domestic, academic, business, and government networks, which together carry various information and services, such as electronic mail, online chat, file transfer, and the interlinked web pages and other resources of the World Wide Web.

It's interesting though that most of the definitions these days tend to revolve around the WWW. While the WWW it's self would be the largest part of the internet, it's odd that they don't really pay as much attention to the likes of E-mail, Usenet and even Peer-to-peer.