shamone wrote:i say both, for patriotism is a form of madness
Chaoslock wrote:More patriotic than Optimus in the movieverse, that's sure. He did everything he could for a chance of his planets and his races' survival, while Prime would left all of them to slowly dying.
Bleak5170 wrote:Chaoslock wrote:More patriotic than Optimus in the movieverse, that's sure. He did everything he could for a chance of his planets and his races' survival, while Prime would left all of them to slowly dying.
Huh? Megatron was responsible for completely decimating what was once a healthy, thriving planet, and the deaths of most of it's inhabitants. The only thing he cared about was tyranny and ruling everyone with an iron fist. He's the complete opposite of "patriotic". People who are patriotic love their country - they don't destroy it.
dirk2243 wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:Chaoslock wrote:More patriotic than Optimus in the movieverse, that's sure. He did everything he could for a chance of his planets and his races' survival, while Prime would left all of them to slowly dying.
Huh? Megatron was responsible for completely decimating what was once a healthy, thriving planet, and the deaths of most of it's inhabitants. The only thing he cared about was tyranny and ruling everyone with an iron fist. He's the complete opposite of "patriotic". People who are patriotic love their country - they don't destroy it.
Yeah, how can you start a war on a peaceful planet in which you had 50% of the leadership in and call yourself a patriot? I'm thinking Dictator... power hungry.... selfish... jealous....etc, etc, etc
shamone wrote:dirk2243 wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:Chaoslock wrote:More patriotic than Optimus in the movieverse, that's sure. He did everything he could for a chance of his planets and his races' survival, while Prime would left all of them to slowly dying.
Huh? Megatron was responsible for completely decimating what was once a healthy, thriving planet, and the deaths of most of it's inhabitants. The only thing he cared about was tyranny and ruling everyone with an iron fist. He's the complete opposite of "patriotic". People who are patriotic love their country - they don't destroy it.
Yeah, how can you start a war on a peaceful planet in which you had 50% of the leadership in and call yourself a patriot? I'm thinking Dictator... power hungry.... selfish... jealous....etc, etc, etc
most dictators are patriotic though
they beleive that there way is the only way for their country men to prosper and survive
dirk2243 wrote:shamone wrote:dirk2243 wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:Chaoslock wrote:More patriotic than Optimus in the movieverse, that's sure. He did everything he could for a chance of his planets and his races' survival, while Prime would left all of them to slowly dying.
Huh? Megatron was responsible for completely decimating what was once a healthy, thriving planet, and the deaths of most of it's inhabitants. The only thing he cared about was tyranny and ruling everyone with an iron fist. He's the complete opposite of "patriotic". People who are patriotic love their country - they don't destroy it.
Yeah, how can you start a war on a peaceful planet in which you had 50% of the leadership in and call yourself a patriot? I'm thinking Dictator... power hungry.... selfish... jealous....etc, etc, etc
most dictators are patriotic though
they beleive that there way is the only way for their country men to prosper and survive
Key there is "they believe"! and I'd say that only makes them patriotic in there own mind.
paul053 wrote:Justice comes with victory. Winner makes their own history.
If Megatron wins, he is a patriot. Since he lost, he is just a maniac or even a moron. Patriots or winners don't listen to a skinny hotdog lip girl.
paul053 wrote:Justice comes with victory. Winner makes their own history.
If Megatron wins, he is a patriot. Since he lost, he is just a maniac or even a moron. Patriots or winners don't listen to a skinny hotdog lip girl.
shamone wrote:paul053 wrote:Justice comes with victory. Winner makes their own history.
If Megatron wins, he is a patriot. Since he lost, he is just a maniac or even a moron. Patriots or winners don't listen to a skinny hotdog lip girl.
this
dirk2243 wrote:shamone wrote:paul053 wrote:Justice comes with victory. Winner makes their own history.
If Megatron wins, he is a patriot. Since he lost, he is just a maniac or even a moron. Patriots or winners don't listen to a skinny hotdog lip girl.
this
Prime himself says to Sentinel when he ask did they win the war he said no.
Patriotism is in the eyes of the beholder. Osama Bin Laden and his followers think there patriots. I do not share there same idea's and do not see them as patriots.
so....if you see megs as a patriot....thats your point of view...if not.....
shamone wrote:dirk2243 wrote:shamone wrote:paul053 wrote:Justice comes with victory. Winner makes their own history.
If Megatron wins, he is a patriot. Since he lost, he is just a maniac or even a moron. Patriots or winners don't listen to a skinny hotdog lip girl.
this
Prime himself says to Sentinel when he ask did they win the war he said no.
Patriotism is in the eyes of the beholder. Osama Bin Laden and his followers think there patriots. I do not share there same idea's and do not see them as patriots.
so....if you see megs as a patriot....thats your point of view...if not.....
i think i see your point, but osama wouldnt consider himself a patriot,its not about nation for him tbf
but yeh hitler was a patriot
dirk2243 wrote:shamone wrote:dirk2243 wrote:shamone wrote:paul053 wrote:Justice comes with victory. Winner makes their own history.
If Megatron wins, he is a patriot. Since he lost, he is just a maniac or even a moron. Patriots or winners don't listen to a skinny hotdog lip girl.
this
Prime himself says to Sentinel when he ask did they win the war he said no.
Patriotism is in the eyes of the beholder. Osama Bin Laden and his followers think there patriots. I do not share there same idea's and do not see them as patriots.
so....if you see megs as a patriot....thats your point of view...if not.....
i think i see your point, but osama wouldnt consider himself a patriot,its not about nation for him tbf
but yeh hitler was a patriot
I agree with you about hitler (in his mind) But for Osama it was about a religion which is idealy bigger right, then a country? Wanting Westerners out of Muslim countries? And yet, his thoughts wern't in line with actual Muslim teachings. I think (and my opinion) that he saw himself as a patriot for the Muslim cause, yet he seemed to shift his teachings around to fit his needs.
Reminds me a bit of Hitler.... Aryan race supremacy, Communism needs to be crushed.
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