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A fan, aficionado, or supporter is someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking of a sporting club, person, group of persons, company, product, work of art, idea, or trend. Fans of a particular thing constitute its fanbase or fandom. They may start a fan club, hold fan conventions, create fanzines, write fan mail, or engage in similar activities.

In a few cases, individual fans may become so obsessed with the objects of their infatuation that they become obsessive. These fans engage in behaviors that are considered extreme or abnormal[1]. This includes idolatry or other forms of worship, such as creating a personal shrine dedicated to the idol at one's home, and can sometimes extend to the point of the fans becoming stalkers.

The difference between a fan and a fanatic is that while both have an overwhelming liking or interest in a given subject, behavior of a fanatic will be viewed as violating prevailing social norms, while that of a fan will not violate those norms (although is usually considered unusual).

Fanaticism is an emotion of being filled with excessive, uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby.



**way I see it, this site is fans acting like fans. Just,.....different levels of fandom, i.e., fanaticism.**

Sonray wrote:Whatever. You still need to get a reality check. Nothing will change the fact that bickering over something like this is an utter waste of time and energy.(hence why im not gonna bother defending myself against the predictable flames i have received for simply saying my part on the matter. )

Do something more productive with it instead of picking apart movies based on kids toys.

Its people like you who ruin the fun for everyone else by trying to justify every little thing, and thus end up ruining the source material.

And the whole speech about seeing a thread you dont like and not posting in it is a load of crap too. Id like to see you do the same when you see a bunch of people blatantly and blindly trying to make sense of something that was never intended to make sense in the first place, and thus they are just wasting their time and trying to make the source material out to be something that it isnt. Just enjoy the freaking stuff for what it is for once!

Like i said get a reality check.

It is just a movie

With all due respect Sonray, it is their life, if this fulfills their life leave 'em be, if not they will find that out for themselves sooner or later. What is a wasteed amount of time to you may be the golden opportunity for others.

and you're a transformers fan sonray? why are you even here?


as the OP, i asked this question because it was a glaring contradiction to what Bay said he was doing (making Transformers realistic, etc). since the thread got started, i've gotten 2 very good answers: 1) Bay is a hypocritical lying crackpt; and 2) the writers didn't rule out mass shifting completely, but didn't want to abuse it either by having Megatron transform into a tiny pistol like in the cartoons. this is not obsessing about the movie or picking apart source material or ruining the movie, it's questioning the director and the claims he made. as a fan of the movie and the franchise, i consider it time very well spent to get these kind of questions answered before i plunk down my next $10 for Transformers 2

whats crackin lil bitches wrote:and you're a transformers fan sonray? why are you even here?

Nice little way to try to incite just a little bit more arguing for this thread. Who are you to question how much of a fan one person over another is.

as the OP, i asked this question because it was a glaring contradiction to what Bay said he was doing (making Transformers realistic, etc). since the thread got started, i've gotten 2 very good answers: 1) Bay is a hypocritical lying crackpt; and 2) the writers didn't rule out mass shifting completely, but didn't want to abuse it either by having Megatron transform into a tiny pistol like in the cartoons.

Neither!

Bay said the transformers would not mass shift. Allspark is not a transformer therefore not bound by the same "rules" that apply to a transformer mass shifting. No one know what the allspark is(movie terms) so therefore no one is able to explain its origins or its specific abilities.

Ilm making the bots upscale a little bit when they transform is not "mass shifting" either. Because the general public wont question how tall a camaro really would be if it was broken up like that, but they will question how a 32 foot tall robot would become a squirtgun.

Sonray wrote:Whatever. You still need to get a reality check. Nothing will change the fact that bickering over something like this is an utter waste of time and energy.(hence why im not gonna bother defending myself against the predictable flames i have received for simply saying my part on the matter. )

now here's the real reality check: Fans bickering over little details got a washed-up saturday morning cartoon VA into the movie as Optimus Prime over a big-name actor they could have marketed to the general public, & got them to at least consider another for Megatron. Fan bickering also got Megatron's head completely redone from the original design. Hell, look at some of the merchandise with Megatron on it, particularly the stuff that has him in his "jazz hands" pose, & then look at what made it into the movie. Completely different. & IIRC Seibertron's "megatron 101" startup page had a lot to do with that.

Do something more productive with it instead of picking apart movies based on kids toys.

No. This is my downtime. I've already spent 8 hours doing something productive. Now I just want to chat with a few people online about useless sh*t. But let's say we swing that judgmental pendulam back your way & let's just say this: " How 'bout you do something more productive thyan trying to tell a bunch of people that care less to do something more productive with it instead of picking apart movies based on kids toys

Its people like you who ruin the fun for everyone else by trying to justify every little thing, and thus end up ruining the source material.

Actually I bet most of those people who's fun we are supposedly ruining, are just watching the movie & not posting in a thread on a fansite about how magic cubes shrink.

And the whole speech about seeing a thread you dont like and not posting in it is a load of crap too. Id like to see you do the same when you see a bunch of people blatantly and blindly trying to make sense of something that was never intended to make sense in the first place, and thus they are just wasting their time and trying to make the source material out to be something that it isnt. Just enjoy the freaking stuff for what it is for once!

Like i said get a reality check.

It is just a movie

First off you'ld never see that...not because I don't do it....I do, each & every day....it's because it's kinda impossible to show the actions you don't take. If I see a thread that looks like people are involving themselves in a discussion I could care less about, I go elsewhere.

Second, it depends on what you're calling "source material". If you want to be frank, G1 is the source material& boy did they botch that up..., but here I still think you're confusing the sci-fi with the hollywood. A movie...any movie...is more than just flashy lights on a screen. It's a lot of people's hard work, a lot of people's decisions, a lot of people's ideas & sometimes it's nice to see why. Hell, that's one of the reasons they're making a 2-disk version of the movie......& what do you think they're gonna put on that second disk? Just the movie again with the message "It's just a movie, enjoy it for what it is & get on with your life!!"??? No, that're going to put behind the scenes stuff, how they made the movie documentaries, early designs, interviews of people that worked on the film talking about the same sh*t we are in this thread, stuff specifically made for people that want to enjoy more than "just a movie".

So like I said....if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

Nice little way to try to incite just a little bit more arguing for this thread. Who are you to question how much of a fan one person over another is.

um, sonray started by questioning why we were bothering with this whole thread. i was under the impression--correct me if i'm wrong here--that this was a place for Transformers fans to congregate and discuss their ideas freely. the fact that sonray started ridiculing others makes me justified in questioning "how much of a fan" he is, for someone who hangs out at a Transformers forum.

but your point is well taken. i was trying to incite a response. i've gotten my answers and i'm done with this thread.

I liked the movie , it had it´s flaws, as for the guys whining about how the movie sucked i tend to ignore them, their opinion is worthless to me, as i know no matter what i saw, they think my opinion is also worthless.

Exactly, that's how I feel now. Doesn't matter that it had Prime, Ratchet, Jazz, BB, and Ironhide. Starscream, Megatron, all G1 characters. Doesn't matter that Primes a big red and blue truck or that BB is a kickass yellow camaro, *granted camaro instead of VW bug, whatever, I'd take a camaro over a bug anyday*. Doesn't matter that Jazz transforms numerous times in a breakdancing way, *an extremely clear homage to G1*, that it's got Sam *instead of Spike* as being BB's best friend on earth.

You could go on and on about all the extremely obvious references to G1, and noone will care. People really just like to bitch, whine and complain about **** when it comes to this movie. It's an awesome movie, but most diehard TF fans refuse to admit it or believe it.

Hell, you could even say the plotholes were an homage to the original TF's, because they sure as hell had them.

Mostly I get annoyed that we actually, FINALLY got to see superrealistic transformations of real cars turning into robots, and STILL people gotta bitch about things.

To me the movie is a dream come true. A dream I've had for 22 years. I'm extremely grateful and thankful that they made the movie, that it did so well, and that they're going to make a sequel.

I absolutely LOVE the original TF series and have all the episodes and watch them quite alot actually. But I still would not have wanted to see those designs on screen in 'real' life. Megatron was much, much scarier the way he appeared in the movie. And since this is Megatron, who's supposed to be scary, I think they did a great job of showing his strength and ruthlessness. The G1 Megatron made 'real' with CGI on screen would not have been scary, it might have even been laughable. Same for all the old designs. The new designs look like 'real' robots that transformed from cars, they don't look like a bunch of blocks moving around.

Prime was nimble, quick on his feet, very strong, *Energy sword, another obvious G1 reference that's ignored* and was basically the big huge badass red and blue truck I always imagined him to be.

I say, "thank you" to Michael Bay for making the movie, and for not being a TF fan, because quite honestly from all the fanboy bitching I read on this site everyday, I'm pretty convinced that in the hands of a fan this would have been an awful movie.

Maybe one day they'll 'redo' all the original cartoons in CGI, then everyone will be happy. There is so much G1 in the 2007 movie it's ridiculous.

Why can't people just be glad they finally got to see cars actually transform? I've seen the movie over 20 times, and I still think it's just amazing watching the Autobots and Decepticons do their thing. Yeah the love story crap gets old by the 15th viewing, but when you see those giant beautiful robots on the screen you forget all that and just stare at how beautiful and amazing they actually look. Think about the slow-mo shots of Prime fighting BoneCrusher, or IronHide flipping end over end. This CGI was so great looking they could actually show it in slow motion.

The movie really does grow on you, maybe some people will change their minds once they've seen it a few times and caught all the little details, *like Bumblebee flying through the air after StarScreams attack, you can actually see his legs separate and go flying off in a different direction.*

anyway, end of rant.

I for one, am thankful and love the movie.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Starscream wrote:From the new ILM article:

"QUESTION: What is the ratio or car-to-robot? It would appear that the robots contain much more material than could actually fit into their car form.

FARRAR: It's a cheat. There is scaling up and down and sizes of parts may increase or decrease in going from the car to the transformed robot. The upshot was that we added a tremendous amount of parts and pieces beyond our first designs. Optimus got a huge layering of parts. Again, you're making a movie, so you're always judging what you're creating by what the camera sees, so you're constantly saying, 'Oh, we need a hubcab here, a clutch-plate there.' We had to add a lot of movement that we didn't anticipate in the beginning. "

ARRRRRRRRG

I knew it!

Bay realism my ass!

This is more disappointing than G1 designs.

WhatI actually got out of that is that while Bay & the concept designers were going for "no cheating" once ILM got ahold of it they cheated in places where Bay himself couldn't even tell it was cheating because it was so subtly thrown into the transformation. I mean, if you think about it, who's really going to notice a clutch plate increasing in size by %125 when 10,000 other parts are whirring about it?

I do notice that the 2 sets of rear wheels can't fit into Prime's thighs. It's was glaringly obvious. More so, if you include the wheel housing.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Sonray wrote:Whatever. You still need to get a reality check. Nothing will change the fact that bickering over something like this is an utter waste of time and energy.(hence why im not gonna bother defending myself against the predictable flames i have received for simply saying my part on the matter. )

now here's the real reality check: Fans bickering over little details got a washed-up saturday morning cartoon VA into the movie as Optimus Prime over a big-name actor they could have marketed to the general public, & got them to at least consider another for Megatron. Fan bickering also got Megatron's head completely redone from the original design. Hell, look at some of the merchandise with Megatron on it, particularly the stuff that has him in his "jazz hands" pose, & then look at what made it into the movie. Completely different. & IIRC Seibertron's "megatron 101" startup page had a lot to do with that.

Do something more productive with it instead of picking apart movies based on kids toys.

No. This is my downtime. I've already spent 8 hours doing something productive. Now I just want to chat with a few people online about useless sh*t. But let's say we swing that judgmental pendulam back your way & let's just say this: " How 'bout you do something more productive thyan trying to tell a bunch of people that care less to do something more productive with it instead of picking apart movies based on kids toys

Its people like you who ruin the fun for everyone else by trying to justify every little thing, and thus end up ruining the source material.

Actually I bet most of those people who's fun we are supposedly ruining, are just watching the movie & not posting in a thread on a fansite about how magic cubes shrink.

And the whole speech about seeing a thread you dont like and not posting in it is a load of crap too. Id like to see you do the same when you see a bunch of people blatantly and blindly trying to make sense of something that was never intended to make sense in the first place, and thus they are just wasting their time and trying to make the source material out to be something that it isnt. Just enjoy the freaking stuff for what it is for once!

Like i said get a reality check.

It is just a movie

First off you'ld never see that...not because I don't do it....I do, each & every day....it's because it's kinda impossible to show the actions you don't take. If I see a thread that looks like people are involving themselves in a discussion I could care less about, I go elsewhere.

Second, it depends on what you're calling "source material". If you want to be frank, G1 is the source material& boy did they botch that up..., but here I still think you're confusing the sci-fi with the hollywood. A movie...any movie...is more than just flashy lights on a screen. It's a lot of people's hard work, a lot of people's decisions, a lot of people's ideas & sometimes it's nice to see why. Hell, that's one of the reasons they're making a 2-disk version of the movie......& what do you think they're gonna put on that second disk? Just the movie again with the message "It's just a movie, enjoy it for what it is & get on with your life!!"??? No, that're going to put behind the scenes stuff, how they made the movie documentaries, early designs, interviews of people that worked on the film talking about the same sh*t we are in this thread, stuff specifically made for people that want to enjoy more than "just a movie".

So like I said....if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

you also have to remember... all those changes thatw ere amde because of the fans bickering, happened before the movie hit. You're all trying to argue a sci-fi movie abotu giant robots that shift parts to turn into something completely different. If anything some of you guys who are die hard g1 fans need to stop bickering ebcause bay and co cheated alittle in animation, because i remember fondly that a certain 80's cartoon about said robots had cheating in animation as well. Is it possible bay and co had a nice nod to the fans in that respect? Seriously guys... its a movie, its come and gone. Bay and co's excuse about no mass shifting is the only plausible reason to tell fans that megs won't be a handgun, because that wouldn't be beleivable at all in a live action movie. Telling a white lie like "no mass shifting" to give a somewhat valid point about megatron not being a handgun, is absolutely nothing.

You can bicker all you want. Because at this point, your arguing is useless, unproductive, and a waste of time. You're not gonna have an impact on anything related to the film, and even anything unrelated to the film. I'm not telling you all to stop, go right ahead and satisfy yourselves all you want. But don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Head Shot wrote:you also have to remember... all those changes thatw ere amde because of the fans bickering, happened before the movie hit. You're all trying to argue a sci-fi movie abotu giant robots that shift parts to turn into something completely different. If anything some of you guys who are die hard g1 fans need to stop bickering ebcause bay and co cheated alittle in animation, because i remember fondly that a certain 80's cartoon about said robots had cheating in animation as well. Is it possible bay and co had a nice nod to the fans in that respect? Seriously guys... its a movie, its come and gone. Bay and co's excuse about no mass shifting is the only plausible reason to tell fans that megs won't be a handgun, because that wouldn't be beleivable at all in a live action movie. Telling a white lie like "no mass shifting" to give a somewhat valid point about megatron not being a handgun, is absolutely nothing.

You can bicker all you want. Because at this point, your arguing is useless, unproductive, and a waste of time. You're not gonna have an impact on anything related to the film, and even anything unrelated to the film. I'm not telling you all to stop, go right ahead and satisfy yourselves all you want. But don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Actually I was arguing more about the changes done to Prime than Megs. I honestly thought it'd be stupid to make him a gun myself....was actually kinda hoping for his G2/Armada tank self......but for Prime, the reasoning for changing him from a COE truck to a long-nosed-truck was that they supposedly couldn't get him big enough because there wasn't enough truck to work with, & now we find out that they cheated to make the long-nosed truck as big as they needed. & besides, they're continuing the series, so any "bickering", if done loud enough, could effect the production of other movies, & possibly make them better.....er....well, that's kind of an objective term, but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

Well the second movie won't have that never before seen wow factor that the first one did, so if they hope for the SQLs to do well they will have to rely on more than just CGI and actually work on a plot, story and character development and of course work with the fanbase rather than classify them(us) as the enemy.

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

But they don't tend to do it in a way that just blatantly slaps fans in the face. Example: Classics line...They redid G1, essentially, similar to how the movie did.....but did anybody throw a fit about any of the characters *not* looking like what they should? Anybody cry foul when they saw Megs for the first time?
Nope....well, there's always someone, but not very many at all. because he was Megs, & Prime was Prime, & Bumblebee was Bumblebee, & Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

But they don't tend to do it in a way that just blatantly slaps fans in the face. Example: Classics line...They redid G1, essentially, similar to how the movie did.....but did anybody throw a fit about any of the characters *not* looking like what they should? Anybody cry foul when they saw Megs for the first time?
Nope....well, there's always someone, but not very many at all. because he was Megs, & Prime was Prime, & Bumblebee was Bumblebee, & Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

But the movie is not classics, not g1, not g2, not beast wars, not beast machines. Its Transformers the live action film. The movie for the most part is only a slap in the face to people that refuse to think that any new origin stories can be made. Not everything has to come from a 23 year old cartoon.

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

But they don't tend to do it in a way that just blatantly slaps fans in the face. Example: Classics line...They redid G1, essentially, similar to how the movie did.....but did anybody throw a fit about any of the characters *not* looking like what they should? Anybody cry foul when they saw Megs for the first time?
Nope....well, there's always someone, but not very many at all. because he was Megs, & Prime was Prime, & Bumblebee was Bumblebee, & Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

But the movie is not classics, not g1, not g2, not beast wars, not beast machines. Its Transformers the live action film. The movie for the most part is only a slap in the face to people that refuse to think that any new origin stories can be made. Not everything has to come from a 23 year old cartoon.

Yeah, but like you said, it's Transformers, & for it to stay Transformers you can't just throw in a sh*tload of Gundams, slap autobot insignias on the lot of them, & call them more of the same.

But anyway, this thread is dead, & has obviously lost it's purpose & just turned into another "geewunner" bashing thread, so I'm outta here.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

But they don't tend to do it in a way that just blatantly slaps fans in the face. Example: Classics line...They redid G1, essentially, similar to how the movie did.....but did anybody throw a fit about any of the characters *not* looking like what they should? Anybody cry foul when they saw Megs for the first time?
Nope....well, there's always someone, but not very many at all. because he was Megs, & Prime was Prime, & Bumblebee was Bumblebee, & Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

But the movie is not classics, not g1, not g2, not beast wars, not beast machines. Its Transformers the live action film. The movie for the most part is only a slap in the face to people that refuse to think that any new origin stories can be made. Not everything has to come from a 23 year old cartoon.

Yeah, but like you said, it's Transformers, & for it to stay Transformers you can't just throw in a sh*tload of Gundams, slap autobot insignias on the lot of them, & call them more of the same.

But anyway, this thread is dead, & has obviously lost it's purpose & just turned into another "geewunner" bashing thread, so I'm outta here.

Before you go, no ones bashing geewunners in particular but one thing you said caught my eye.

Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

Now I know the classics was an original mold, but wasnt the original g1 jetfire/skyfire a gundam with a transformers logo slapped on it?

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

But they don't tend to do it in a way that just blatantly slaps fans in the face. Example: Classics line...They redid G1, essentially, similar to how the movie did.....but did anybody throw a fit about any of the characters *not* looking like what they should? Anybody cry foul when they saw Megs for the first time?
Nope....well, there's always someone, but not very many at all. because he was Megs, & Prime was Prime, & Bumblebee was Bumblebee, & Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

But the movie is not classics, not g1, not g2, not beast wars, not beast machines. Its Transformers the live action film. The movie for the most part is only a slap in the face to people that refuse to think that any new origin stories can be made. Not everything has to come from a 23 year old cartoon.

Yeah, but like you said, it's Transformers, & for it to stay Transformers you can't just throw in a sh*tload of Gundams, slap autobot insignias on the lot of them, & call them more of the same.

But anyway, this thread is dead, & has obviously lost it's purpose & just turned into another "geewunner" bashing thread, so I'm outta here.

Before you go, no ones bashing geewunners in particular but one thing you said caught my eye.

Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

Now I know the classics was an original mold, but wasnt the original g1 jetfire/skyfire a gundam with a transformers logo slapped on it?

Why yes, yes that's exactly what he is.

Malikon wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

But they don't tend to do it in a way that just blatantly slaps fans in the face. Example: Classics line...They redid G1, essentially, similar to how the movie did.....but did anybody throw a fit about any of the characters *not* looking like what they should? Anybody cry foul when they saw Megs for the first time?
Nope....well, there's always someone, but not very many at all. because he was Megs, & Prime was Prime, & Bumblebee was Bumblebee, & Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

But the movie is not classics, not g1, not g2, not beast wars, not beast machines. Its Transformers the live action film. The movie for the most part is only a slap in the face to people that refuse to think that any new origin stories can be made. Not everything has to come from a 23 year old cartoon.

Yeah, but like you said, it's Transformers, & for it to stay Transformers you can't just throw in a sh*tload of Gundams, slap autobot insignias on the lot of them, & call them more of the same.

But anyway, this thread is dead, & has obviously lost it's purpose & just turned into another "geewunner" bashing thread, so I'm outta here.

Before you go, no ones bashing geewunners in particular but one thing you said caught my eye.

Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

Now I know the classics was an original mold, but wasnt the original g1 jetfire/skyfire a gundam with a transformers logo slapped on it?

Why yes, yes that's exactly what he is.

No, he as a robotech valkarye(however G1 Skyfire was a completely original design for the cartoon), but if you want to get technical everything prior to the season 3 G1 TFs came from somewhere. But you're confusing where they came from with what they are now.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Malikon wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:but let's just say that it could make them hold truer to the source materials instead of going off & making up their own stuff, slapping a TF logo on it, & calling it Transformers.

Yes, because we need the same basic story told over and over for the next 20 years, lets not have them create new stories and new problems for the characters that are involved in this version of transformers.

Hasbro makes stuff up and slaps transformers on it every day, wh cant the people that made at least a good 200 million for hasbro do it too.

But they don't tend to do it in a way that just blatantly slaps fans in the face. Example: Classics line...They redid G1, essentially, similar to how the movie did.....but did anybody throw a fit about any of the characters *not* looking like what they should? Anybody cry foul when they saw Megs for the first time?
Nope....well, there's always someone, but not very many at all. because he was Megs, & Prime was Prime, & Bumblebee was Bumblebee, & Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

But the movie is not classics, not g1, not g2, not beast wars, not beast machines. Its Transformers the live action film. The movie for the most part is only a slap in the face to people that refuse to think that any new origin stories can be made. Not everything has to come from a 23 year old cartoon.

Yeah, but like you said, it's Transformers, & for it to stay Transformers you can't just throw in a sh*tload of Gundams, slap autobot insignias on the lot of them, & call them more of the same.

But anyway, this thread is dead, & has obviously lost it's purpose & just turned into another "geewunner" bashing thread, so I'm outta here.

Before you go, no ones bashing geewunners in particular but one thing you said caught my eye.

Jetfire is still the most kickass Jetfires out there.

Now I know the classics was an original mold, but wasnt the original g1 jetfire/skyfire a gundam with a transformers logo slapped on it?

Why yes, yes that's exactly what he is.

No, he as a robotech valkarye(however G1 Skyfire was a completely original design for the cartoon), but if you want to get technical everything prior to the season 3 G1 TFs came from somewhere. But you're confusing where they came from with what they are now.

What line they came from is semantics, but it does negate a big chunk of your statement. You say they cant just bring in other lines and slap a symbol on it when thats exactly what they did for that particular character.

Im not arguing with you, I just dont see your point when you are in turn contradicting yourself.

Leader Prime toy is good enough.

I hope they adjust him to a truer scale and proportions in TF2.