RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
Just Negare wrote:Son of a dog's breakfast...
noctorro wrote:Autobot032 I totally agree.
The angry fans know what they are getting. So if you are so emotionally crushed by seeing a TF movie by Bay don't.
But they will, and they'll complain about it on forums and such.
I love DOTM, it's a great movie (in my opinion). I do hope they give the it more development time so they can make another good story, or even better (for Transformers standards). I also hope that they will completely restyle all of the Transformers. And please bring back a combiner and have it act like one.
Galvatron X wrote:I'm no Bay-hater, but I guess I was looking forward to a different direction/take on the movie franchise. So this is a little disappointing, but ehhh, what're ya gonna do?
Galvatron X wrote:Man, you never fail in delivering the most arrogant, condescending replies/posts in all of Seibertron, do you?
I haven't been on all that much recently, so it's nice to come back and see you haven't lost your touch. Keep up the good work.
Autobot032 wrote:Why waste your time?
Autobot032 wrote:Hasn't your team of hate crusaders complained enough already? Just don't.
Autobot032 wrote:Don't care. Outta my way. Thanks for the good seat.
Autobot032 wrote:Well, you know where the door is.
Autobot032 wrote:EXACTLY. They'll go see it, too. They'll hate and whine and complain, but they'll sit there
As for the cyborg thing, they are. CYBernetic ORGanism. Cyborg.
First-Aid wrote:If he signs for TF 4, we won't see just one more movie. Don Murphy has said he wants to see another trilogy and I concur with that.
As for fans not wanting to see it, cool...don't. I doubt a significant percentage of the $3-plus billion the 3 movies raked in was from fans as opposed to movie-goers just looking for an action-adventurey good time. I mean seriously, these movies had everything you'd want in a giant, fun movie: amazing effects, giant robots, hot chicks, explosions, some funny/dumb and funny/funny moments, the end of the world, explosions, cool cars...seriously it's like Fast and FUrious+Death Race+Robotech+Dumb and Dumber all rolled into one. If you truly hate that much, then you take this hobby and those movies way too seriously. Just sayin...and seriously, was the '86 cartoon movie really any better? We saw the transformation of Grimlock from a powerful warrior to comic relief, a dance scene on a planet of junk to a Weird Al song, cheesy hair metal rock soundtrack, the death of an iconic character that was so poorly received that they had to revive him, and a little kid who ended up saving the day, not to mention enormous plot holes. Seems to me, nothing has changed.
AS long as we never see John Turturro's pale backside again, I'll see the subsequent movies and take them for what they are: fun.
RiddlerJ wrote:He's got the M, I, C, and H done but for the A, E, and L, he wants to switch to a different crayon.
Autobot032 wrote:I mean, there's striking while the iron's hot, and then there's just milking it dry. We're now in the area where they're walking that very fine line and it can be crossed either way.
Autobot032 wrote:As for the cyborg thing, they are. CYBernetic ORGanism. Cyborg.
Mkall wrote:And with this announcement we can guarentee Classics figures, and other supporting toys for several years to come. Awesome!
Of course there'll be many many movie figs I'll end up passing on, so I suppose I'll be saving money there too.
Awesome!
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Autobot032 wrote:Just Negare wrote:Son of a dog's breakfast...
O_o That's... mew. *jots that down for future use, all credits to go to Negare.* Awesome.noctorro wrote:Autobot032 I totally agree.
The angry fans know what they are getting. So if you are so emotionally crushed by seeing a TF movie by Bay don't.
But they will, and they'll complain about it on forums and such.
I love DOTM, it's a great movie (in my opinion). I do hope they give the it more development time so they can make another good story, or even better (for Transformers standards). I also hope that they will completely restyle all of the Transformers. And please bring back a combiner and have it act like one.
I love the movieverse, as a whole, but I'll also be one of the first people to come along and say "Flaws out the wazoo!", because it's true and I can see it. I admit that ROTF needed a lot of work, but I still found it more enjoyable than the first. It wasn't boring. That doesn't mean it was Oscar material, lol, but it was entertaining enough.Galvatron X wrote:I'm no Bay-hater, but I guess I was looking forward to a different direction/take on the movie franchise. So this is a little disappointing, but ehhh, what're ya gonna do?
For a while there, I too thought there would be a different director, if nothing else. But, for the people who desire a new director, this has to be a wake up call. Hasbro, Paramount, the producers and ILM need the next film to be a reality for one, two, it needs to be done while this is hot, hot, hot. If Bay's willing to return, they're going to milk it for all it's worth. Whether that's good or bad has yet to be seen. You and the others who want a new director, may just get what they wished for.
I mean, there's striking while the iron's hot, and then there's just milking it dry. We're now in the area where they're walking that very fine line and it can be crossed either way.Galvatron X wrote:Man, you never fail in delivering the most arrogant, condescending replies/posts in all of Seibertron, do you?
I haven't been on all that much recently, so it's nice to come back and see you haven't lost your touch. Keep up the good work.
Whoa. Now wait a minute. There was nothing arrogant about my post. Condescending? Sure. Out of anger. Let's go over my responses, shall we?Autobot032 wrote:Why waste your time?
That's a legitimate question, actually. If it causes someone pain, why do they waste their time? There's nothing arrogant or condescending about this one. This is an actual question. Why repeat something that brings displeasure? I'm not trying to be a jerk, here. I actually do want to know why someone would continually inflict self torture? If I don't like something, I've given it a fair chance and move on. *shrugs*Autobot032 wrote:Hasn't your team of hate crusaders complained enough already? Just don't.
This one was condescending, not arrogant. Because they will get condescending and then they'll start to personally attack. (This post of mine was not a personal attack, just throwing back what he's dishing out.) You know as well as I do, this thread isn't going to have a long life, or if it does, it's going to be sterilized shortly. The news folks shouldn't have to do that. And they do... Every. Single. Time. They can't just post the news and that's that. There will always be someone waiting in the wings to tear into the movie franchise. How hard is it to just let them do their jobs without a bunch of "OH NOES!!!1!!!! HERE WE GO AGAIN! THIS ALL SUCKS! YOU SUCK! STOP MAKING IT SUCK!"? Not to mention, I think we're all just a little bit tired of hearing BOTH sides go on about the films. They are what they are, we know what they are, it's all been said a million times.Autobot032 wrote:Don't care. Outta my way. Thanks for the good seat.
This one was neither arrogant, nor condescending. This was just an honest response. I'll gladly take his spot in the theater. His or anyone else's. If they don't like it, they shouldn't attend. If they don't attend, then they have no right to critique a film they haven't seen. Either beforehand or while it's out there. Either see it and speak up, or don't see it and say nothing. You can't have it both ways.Autobot032 wrote:Well, you know where the door is.
His post was "I don't want to live on this planet anymore." Yeah, I realize it's for comedic effect to some degree, yes, I realize it's from Futurama, but it's been used by others on Memebase for things of more substance, depth and impact. Problem is, there's always a bit of truth in jest. People wanting to leave this planet over something stupid they read? (Memebase, btw.) Just ridiculous. Using the phrase, with truth in jest in mind, for this? Utter, over the top, Bayhem-a-fied ridiculousness. Movies, period, shouldn't be able to have that effect on you. TransFormers movies, even more so. Just. Don't. Watch. Them. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp.Autobot032 wrote:EXACTLY. They'll go see it, too. They'll hate and whine and complain, but they'll sit there
As for the cyborg thing, they are. CYBernetic ORGanism. Cyborg.
I don't know if you intended to include this in your quoting of me, but this one needs to be cleared up.
1.) I was agreeing.
2.) I was reminding him that Optimus himself said they were cybernetic organisms. A cyborg. Apparently you no longer need flesh, or the biological in any form, to be a cyborg, according to the TF verse. To be honest, I don't know what the ground rules for cyborgs are. I know of The Borg, The Terminator, RoboCop, stuff like that. So I'm a little surprised to hear that TFs are cyborgs, but the words don't lie. They are cybernetic organisms. Kind of a mind blown kinda thing at first, but it's a theory that seems to hold water.
So, other than I think two parts, being condescending, the rest of my post was legitimate. Blunt, sure, probably a little too blunt, but legit.
And I stand by it. They're entitled to their opinion, so am I. They hate the films, I love them. Bottom line is, apparently it's happening whether or not people want it to. You can either move onto other aspects of TF and not let it bother or affect you and go find your happiness, or you can sit here in misery and constantly complain about a movie you may not go see. Why? What is the point of that? That's not productive, it's not socially redeemable action, it's just flame war fodder. What's the point???
NOTE: this last part, the word you does not pertain to you personally, Galvatron X. That's for people in general. Wanted to clear that up so no confusion was had, or trouble brewed.
First-Aid wrote:Here's another little thing for the Bayverse toy haters. Yes there will be more movie toys. The movie toys make a sh!tload of money. That being said, it is that very thing that allows a line like Generations- a line aimed specifically at us older fans familiar with the canon and mythos behind the Transformers line- to continue to exist. That line hemorhages money. Every store I go to the movie line is flying off the shelves and the Generations line is gathering dust...and it was that way originally, too. The profit from the movie line allows much more leeway in what Hasbro can offer in the Generations line by providing significant profit. If the profit was not there, Hasbro would have discontinued the Generations line ages ago to replace it with something else that WOULD make money. The Generations line may make SOME profit, but I guarantee it is not nearly enough to sustain the line independently from other TF brands- which is the reason it has never existed on its own. Think abotu it.
Xephon0930 wrote:I think most smart people would pirate the films at best when it comes to watching it. I would start to look up torrentz and watch the movie for free if I were you all.
LadyBug wrote:I'm still leaning towards seeing Unicron and Galvatron on the big screen. It would be cool to hear Leonard Nemoy as Galvatron again.
amtm wrote:Claude Brodesser-Akner wrote:...it will delve deeper into Transformers canon to mine older characters and lore. ...
Considering how little delving and depth there were in the first three, I'd take that with a planet full of salt. Bay on any further movies = Watch on DVD at best.
First-Aid wrote:If he signs for TF 4, we won't see just one more movie. Don Murphy has said he wants to see another trilogy and I concur with that.
As for fans not wanting to see it, cool...don't. I doubt a significant percentage of the $3-plus billion the 3 movies raked in was from fans as opposed to movie-goers just looking for an action-adventurey good time. I mean seriously, these movies had everything you'd want in a giant, fun movie: amazing effects, giant robots, hot chicks, explosions, some funny/dumb and funny/funny moments, the end of the world, explosions, cool cars...seriously it's like Fast and FUrious+Death Race+Robotech+Dumb and Dumber all rolled into one. If you truly hate that much, then you take this hobby and those movies way too seriously. Just sayin...and seriously, was the '86 cartoon movie really any better? We saw the transformation of Grimlock from a powerful warrior to comic relief, a dance scene on a planet of junk to a Weird Al song, cheesy hair metal rock soundtrack, the death of an iconic character that was so poorly received that they had to revive him, and a little kid who ended up saving the day, not to mention enormous plot holes. Seems to me, nothing has changed.
AS long as we never see John Turturro's pale backside again, I'll see the subsequent movies and take them for what they are: fun.
budmaloney wrote:Sigh, what can I say, the man's determined. That is true perseverance right there. I gotta hand it to him. I've given up trying to argue why he shouldn't make TF movies.
So in a more positive sense and hoping that Hasbro will be up to par this time, here is what I want to see:
- More Robot concept/ homeworld. I want to see Cybertron.
- Planes, where are the seekers? And I mean real planes, high speed flying.
- You killed all the Decepticons we love and care about, so if you're going to bring them back, don't kill them again.
Who's left? did he leave anything to delve deeper in?
Megs...dead
Starscream...dead
Soundwave...dead
Shockwave...dead
Constructicons/Devastator...Dead
Brawl...Dead (so no Combaticons)
Barricade...Dead
Ravage, Laserbeak, Frenzy.
Even the cool new characters he introduces (the dreads)...Dead
So I have no idea what they plan on doing, where they will pull out these characters. Who's left from G1 for older fans to appreciate and new ones to connect to? Reflector?
- I would like less humans (but too much to ask)
People are dreaming of Unicron or Galvatron, they'll be destroyed in the end.
My bet is they will go with headmasters or targetmasters, that's the only logical way, they can add armor to actors, and that way they provide more mech with humans same time.
Just make it quick please, I can't wait that long anymore. At least the toys will always be something to look forward to.
oh if FFC is any indication, bring Dinobots.
SPRINGER112 wrote:Ironhide shall rise again
Burn wrote::KREMZEEK:
More millions of dollars for Hasbro!
More movies!
More toys! (As Mkall pointed out)
More pissed off fanboys! (Possibly the best part of this news)
Autobot032 wrote:EXACTLY. They'll go see it, too. They'll hate and whine and complain, but they'll sit there
As for the cyborg thing, they are. CYBernetic ORGanism. Cyborg.
noctorro wrote:Autobot032 I totally agree.
The angry fans know what they are getting. So if you are so emotionally crushed by seeing a TF movie by Bay don't.
But they will, and they'll complain about it on forums and such.
I love DOTM, it's a great movie (in my opinion). I do hope they give the it more development time so they can make another good story, or even better (for Transformers standards). I also hope that they will completely restyle all of the Transformers. And please bring back a combiner and have it act like one.
RiddlerJ wrote:He's got the M, I, C, and H done but for the A, E, and L, he wants to switch to a different crayon.
First-Aid wrote:Here's another little thing for the Bayverse toy haters. Yes there will be more movie toys. The movie toys make a sh!tload of money. That being said, it is that very thing that allows a line like Generations- a line aimed specifically at us older fans familiar with the canon and mythos behind the Transformers line- to continue to exist. That line hemorhages money. Every store I go to the movie line is flying off the shelves and the Generations line is gathering dust...and it was that way originally, too. The profit from the movie line allows much more leeway in what Hasbro can offer in the Generations line by providing significant profit. If the profit was not there, Hasbro would have discontinued the Generations line ages ago to replace it with something else that WOULD make money. The Generations line may make SOME profit, but I guarantee it is not nearly enough to sustain the line independently from other TF brands- which is the reason it has never existed on its own. Think abotu it.
HalfOfMe wrote:The simple truth is, before the movies Transformers was on a major decline. The toylines were struggling, the anime re-tellings garnered no ratings, and generally for good reason. Like them or not, the movie franchise saved Transformers. We would not have Prime, we probably would not have Generations, without Bay's films. We have to be thankful for a least that. Without Bay--entertainment or debauchery--we could very well without the thing we all love. And all things considered, these types of adaptations are typically way, way further off-cue than this trilogy was. Look at, well--anything (Rise of Cobra, anyone?). Hey--and even better--we made a fan of the guy, didn't we?
SlyTF1 wrote:Xephon0930 wrote:I think most smart people would pirate the films at best when it comes to watching it. I would start to look up torrentz and watch the movie for free if I were you all.
I wouldn't.
IAmThePeej wrote:...Except that these movies haven't been fun. At all. There were a lot of fireworks going off, and a **** ton of CGI characters battling each other, but it was all boring since no one could tell who was who or what was going on in the action scenes due to poor camera movements (shakey cam), and quick cuts which changed the angle far too often to make it near impossible for the brain to determine what was just seen.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
IAmThePeej wrote:...Except that these movies haven't been fun. At all. There were a lot of fireworks going off, and a **** ton of CGI characters battling each other, but it was all boring since no one could tell who was who or what was going on in the action scenes due to poor camera movements (shakey cam), and quick cuts which changed the angle far too often to make it near impossible for the brain to determine what was just seen.
RodimalToyota wrote:If you don't like the writing then don't support the writers. Bay is basically the manager of the set, so stop blaming him for crappy stories.
SlyTF1 wrote:My brain could determine everything just fine. Maybe it's just you. I've memorized all 3 movies scene for scene, word by word, camera shot by camera shot.
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