Zetatron wrote:Geez guys, Star Wars fanboys don't even whine this much about the Prequel Trilogy. Give it a rest, you're embarrassing us in front of the other fandoms. It's been five years, 3 movies, 2.6 billion dollars and let's not forget one of those movies is the 4th highest grossing film of all time, they've got to be doing something right. If you really want G1 that badly, here's an idea: go watch G1! There's like three different video releases floating around out there, it's on the HUB network and every episode and the full movie have been uploaded to youtube, take your pick.
Zetatron wrote:Geez guys, Star Wars fanboys don't even whine this much about the Prequel Trilogy. Give it a rest, you're embarrassing us in front of the other fandoms.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Still a stupid story involving bringing Cybertron to Earth to rescue it with human labour.
Did you think it was stupid when it was done in the G1 cartoon?
Hahaha, ya. Obviously. Like I take G1 cartoons seriously. But for a movie that is trying so hard to be "realistic", Its like having a bunch of ants rebuild the planet earth... and they're alien ants who can't even survive on earth. Etc. etc...
MINDVVIPE wrote:I would hope for something a little bit more imaginable for the viewer, from a story-telling pov. Something than can be concieved as a threat......
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Still a stupid story involving bringing Cybertron to Earth to rescue it with human labour.
Did you think it was stupid when it was done in the G1 cartoon?
Hahaha, ya. Obviously. Like I take G1 cartoons seriously. But for a movie that is trying so hard to be "realistic", Its like having a bunch of ants rebuild the planet earth... and they're alien ants who can't even survive on earth. Etc. etc...
Why is it that you expected these movies to somehow break the mold with story telling? Especialy if you don't seem to like the source its based on.
I don't get it... People like to complain that these movies don't use enough source material and when they do, its still not good enough.MINDVVIPE wrote:I would hope for something a little bit more imaginable for the viewer, from a story-telling pov. Something than can be concieved as a threat......
I don't know about you,.. but when 30 foot tall robots tellaport from space and start destroying the world with alien ships destorying everything in sight...
I wouldn't exactly just brush it off and go back to bed.
Burn wrote:Transformers Prime and Star Trek are two examples of O & K taking something that has decades long mythology and doing their take on it.
JOP wrote:Burn wrote:Transformers Prime and Star Trek are two examples of O & K taking something that has decades long mythology and doing their take on it.
I would say, in all fairness, that the Star Trek reboot actually contains all the hallmarks of Orci and Kurtzman at their worst - some imaginative action set-pieces and a couple of clever twists, but also poor characterization and plotholes brought about by the collapse of inner story logic. By way of example:
- How did an unarmed Spock, on a desolate ice world, create a flaming torch?
JOP wrote:Why is it necessary to drill into a planet before creating a black hole?
JOP wrote:Black holes: do they crush their victims, or send them through time?
JOP wrote:What possessed Kirk to remain in the vicinity of a forming black hole?
JOP wrote:Why were faster-than-light engines insufficient to escape a black hole?
JOP wrote:Why was a sub-light explosive force sufficient?
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
JOP wrote:Burn wrote:Transformers Prime and Star Trek are two examples of O & K taking something that has decades long mythology and doing their take on it.
I would say, in all fairness, that the Star Trek reboot actually contains all the hallmarks of Orci and Kurtzman at their worst - some imaginative action set-pieces and a couple of clever twists, but also poor characterization and plotholes brought about by the collapse of inner story logic. By way of example:I believe the primary reason as to why Star Trek was critically lauded and, say, Revenge of the Fallen was not is simply a result of directorial decision - JJ Abrams was able to smooth over many of the issues present in his Orci and Kurtzman-provided script, whereas Michael Bay served only to highlight the problems present in his.
- How did an unarmed Spock, on a desolate ice world, create a flaming torch?
- Why is it necessary to drill into a planet before creating a black hole?
- Black holes: do they crush their victims, or send them through time?
- What possessed Kirk to remain in the vicinity of a forming black hole?
- Why were faster-than-light engines insufficient to escape a black hole?
- Why was a sub-light explosive force sufficient?
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
If you truly hate that much, then you take this hobby and those movies way too seriously. Just sayin...and seriously, was the '86 cartoon movie really any better?
First-Aid wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:First-Aid wrote:To be fair to Orci and Kurtzman, they have given us the gem that is Transformers: Prime, as well as a wonderfully geeky reboot of Star Trek. I don't blame them for ROTF, I actually hold the deadline accountable. Obviously, with more time, better movies can be made. ROTF was bad plot-wise, but to a good many people it was still a fun movie to watch. I enjoy it occassionally. No matter what anyone says about Devastator in that movie, the hair on the back of my neck still stands up in anticipation as the vehicle forms merge...
How?
how do I hold the deadline responsible? Easy. It's obvious from the first and third movies that a half-decent movie can be written with sufficient time. ROTF had about 5 weeks to complete the movie script thanks to the writers strike. I think the Fallen idea could have been done much better....if they had time. Bay has said they were editing right up to the release date thanks to the time crunch. It comes down to the fact that they had a release date to make and had to make do with what they had. That's why i blame the deadline aka release date. If the date had been 6 months later, we would have seen considerable improvement in ROTF...a whole different movie. That's my theory anyways.
SlyTF1 wrote:First-Aid wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:First-Aid wrote:To be fair to Orci and Kurtzman, they have given us the gem that is Transformers: Prime, as well as a wonderfully geeky reboot of Star Trek. I don't blame them for ROTF, I actually hold the deadline accountable. Obviously, with more time, better movies can be made. ROTF was bad plot-wise, but to a good many people it was still a fun movie to watch. I enjoy it occassionally. No matter what anyone says about Devastator in that movie, the hair on the back of my neck still stands up in anticipation as the vehicle forms merge...
How?
how do I hold the deadline responsible? Easy. It's obvious from the first and third movies that a half-decent movie can be written with sufficient time. ROTF had about 5 weeks to complete the movie script thanks to the writers strike. I think the Fallen idea could have been done much better....if they had time. Bay has said they were editing right up to the release date thanks to the time crunch. It comes down to the fact that they had a release date to make and had to make do with what they had. That's why i blame the deadline aka release date. If the date had been 6 months later, we would have seen considerable improvement in ROTF...a whole different movie. That's my theory anyways.
But you've failed to answer my question. How did the plot suck?
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm all for more movies and I don't mind Bay, but I'm tired of Shia. I hope he stays away. Bring Megan Fox back as female lead,and revive the Decepticons and I'll be happy.
SlyTF1 wrote:BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm all for more movies and I don't mind Bay, but I'm tired of Shia. I hope he stays away. Bring Megan Fox back as female lead,and revive the Decepticons and I'll be happy.
Aw hell naw! Her absence was the biggest improvement of DOTM. That and Megatron's shotgun.
Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm all for more movies and I don't mind Bay, but I'm tired of Shia. I hope he stays away. Bring Megan Fox back as female lead,and revive the Decepticons and I'll be happy.
Aw hell naw! Her absence was the biggest improvement of DOTM. That and Megatron's shotgun.
Biggest improvement? No. Big improvement? Yes. It did feel very different with her gone, pleasant.
SlyTF1 wrote:BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm all for more movies and I don't mind Bay, but I'm tired of Shia. I hope he stays away. Bring Megan Fox back as female lead,and revive the Decepticons and I'll be happy.
Aw hell naw! Her absence was the biggest improvement of DOTM. That and Megatron's shotgun.
SaTaN CoNvOy wrote:Should stop while you're ahead paramutt/hastroll.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:SaTaN CoNvOy wrote:Should stop while you're ahead paramutt/hastroll.
Quitting while you're ahead is a good piece of advice...but only in a risky situation, a situation where you aren't guaranteed a very large bag of money. The Transformers movies are, at this point, basically an excuse to print money. DOTM is currently the fourth highest-grossing movie of all time, at $1.1 billion, the other two are both in the top 50. They would be stupid not to do more.
And Paramutt and Hastroll? Come on, you can do better than that. Paramutt doesn't even make sense.
Autobot032 wrote:Paramount. He's calling them a mutt dog.
Autobot032 wrote:When Paramount writes, they use GREEN, since they made a lot of it off of him, and those who say they hate the movies. Oh, lookit that! They're ready to make more green! Better close up them movie ticket buyin' wallets!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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