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by **autobotOG** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:33 pm

I often wonder why there is always so much over analyzation that goes into Michael bay, and the TF movies. Weren't all the genres different in their own way? Why aren't they just another different genre? I totally understand if someone doesn't like them...but why aren't they just viewed as another transformers storyline? Like all the other different ones we've had since 84. Theres always so much "f Michael bay" or "he crapped on my childhood". G1 will always be "THE" story, but bays movies should just be "ANOTHER" story and nothing more. Just my opinion. I mean, more people love beast wars, and they didn't even transform into cars, LOL.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:43 pm

autobotOG wrote:I often wonder why there is always so much over analyzation that goes into Michael bay, and the TF movies. Weren't all the genres different in their own way? Why aren't they just another different genre? I totally understand if someone doesn't like them...but why aren't they just viewed as another transformers storyline? Like all the other different ones we've had since 84. Theres always so much "f Michael bay" or "he crapped on my childhood". G1 will always be "THE" story, but bays movies should just be "ANOTHER" story and nothing more. Just my opinion. I mean, more people love beast wars, and they didn't even transform into cars, LOL.

Well... Believe it or not, people where pretty angry at BW.

Funny that people who like Transformers don't handle change all that well.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:58 pm

RhA wrote:Well... Believe it or not, people where pretty angry at BW.

Funny that people who like Transformers don't handle change all that well.

Yeah, Transformers fans have a tendency to react negatively to things they've only seen small amounts of. People were decrying the Bay films just from concept art alone, Animated was given grief after they released just a single promotional poster, and Beast Wars got the ol "TRUKK NOT MUNKEY," until we realized "Wait, no, this series is amazing."

by **cotss2012** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:17 pm

autobotOG wrote:I mean, more people love beast wars, and they didn't even transform into cars, LOL.

People loved BW because it actually had good stories. Bayformers didn't.

Shadowman wrote:People were decrying the Bay films just from concept art alone, Animated was given grief after they released just a single promotional poster

That's because the robot designs were crap in both Bayformers and Animated.

Yes, even Slipstream. :-(

Shadowman wrote:Beast Wars got the ol "TRUKK NOT MUNKEY," until season 2 came along and was amazing

Fixed

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:28 pm

cotss2012 wrote:
autobotOG wrote:I mean, more people love beast wars, and they didn't even transform into cars, LOL.

People loved BW because it actually had good stories. Bayformers didn't.

Shadowman wrote:People were decrying the Bay films just from concept art alone, Animated was given grief after they released just a single promotional poster

That's because the robot designs were crap in both Bayformers and Animated.

Yes, even Slipstream.

Shadowman wrote:Beast Wars got the ol "TRUKK NOT MUNKEY," until season 2 came along and was amazing

Fixed

Opinions.

Nothing more.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:01 pm

cotss2012 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:People were decrying the Bay films just from concept art alone, Animated was given grief after they released just a single promotional poster

That's because the robot designs were crap in both Bayformers and Animated.

Yes, even Slipstream.

Did you notice that most of the designs in Animated are only slightly tweaked versions of G1 designs? Most people hated the art style, not the designs. And the human villains, I can understand hating them. The the basic designs are almost all from G1.

by **cotss2012** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:22 pm

Shadowman wrote:Did you notice that most of the designs in Animated are only slightly tweaked versions of G1 designs?

You call this "slightly tweaked"?

Well, at least he wasn't a monkey.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:08 pm

cotss2012 wrote:You call this "slightly tweaked"?

Yep. All the design elements are there, just slightly distorted for the art style of the show.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:21 pm

So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

by **cotss2012** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:21 am

Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:36 am

cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

by **JOP** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:56 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'm not sure that will help much.

He needs some sort of constraining influence; a co-director, perhaps? Someone that can prune potential narrative issues before they bloom, and slow down Bay's manic shooting / editing style.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:08 am

JOP wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'm not sure that will help much.

He needs some sort of constraining influence; a co-director, perhaps? Someone that can prune potential narrative issues before they bloom, and slow down Bay's manic shooting / editing style.

that would work, but I dont see Bay accepting that kind or arrangement.

by **Court Jester** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:39 pm

“It’s terrific, to have people that interested in something. It reminds you that it is a real honor to work on something that means so much to people,” Nolan said. “I’d love to be able to claim that I invented the whole thing and that’s why they’re interested. I did not. I’ve been given a very precious thing to do my best with, to look after and not to let people down. There’s a certain amount of fear that comes with it and intimidation but it’s also a great privilege. [As for the fans], they want it to be great, they want to go enjoy it and they’re fascinated by it. You know, there’s always controversy regarding things that people will disagree with but hopefully they appreciate the effort of trying to make something good.”

- Christopher Nolan

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:46 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

Any movie period that I've ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the size of the explosions, not the actors or script.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:59 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

Any movie period that I've ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the size of the explosions, not the actors or script.

Dude,I really hope that was a joke. I dont like to pass judgments on the taste of others, but if your really telling me that you have only EVER enjoyed films because of size of the explosions , and by that alone you judge the quality of any film,then I feel sorry for you.

There have been a lot of films that sport great stories with great performances with no explosions at all that are just fantastic.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:50 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

Any movie period that I've ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the size of the explosions, not the actors or script.

Dude,I really hope that was a joke. I dont like to pass judgments on the taste of others, but if your really telling me that you have only EVER enjoyed films because of size of the explosions , and by that alone you judge the quality of any film,then I feel sorry for you.

There have been a lot of films that sport great stories with great performances with no explosions at all that are just fantastic.

Ok, I admit. It's not just the size of the explosions, but it's also the quantity of the explosions. Sorry. Pardon me for leaving that part out.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:15 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

Any movie period that I've ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the size of the explosions, not the actors or script.

Dude,I really hope that was a joke. I dont like to pass judgments on the taste of others, but if your really telling me that you have only EVER enjoyed films because of size of the explosions , and by that alone you judge the quality of any film,then I feel sorry for you.

There have been a lot of films that sport great stories with great performances with no explosions at all that are just fantastic.

Ok, I admit. It's not just the size of the explosions, but it's also the quantity of the explosions. Sorry. Pardon me for leaving that part out.

again, I hope your joking.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:19 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

Any movie period that I've ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the size of the explosions, not the actors or script.

Dude,I really hope that was a joke. I dont like to pass judgments on the taste of others, but if your really telling me that you have only EVER enjoyed films because of size of the explosions , and by that alone you judge the quality of any film,then I feel sorry for you.

There have been a lot of films that sport great stories with great performances with no explosions at all that are just fantastic.

Ok, I admit. It's not just the size of the explosions, but it's also the quantity of the explosions. Sorry. Pardon me for leaving that part out.

again, I hope your joking.

I am not.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:34 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

Any movie period that I've ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the size of the explosions, not the actors or script.

Dude,I really hope that was a joke. I dont like to pass judgments on the taste of others, but if your really telling me that you have only EVER enjoyed films because of size of the explosions , and by that alone you judge the quality of any film,then I feel sorry for you.

There have been a lot of films that sport great stories with great performances with no explosions at all that are just fantastic.

Ok, I admit. It's not just the size of the explosions, but it's also the quantity of the explosions. Sorry. Pardon me for leaving that part out.

again, I hope your joking.

I am not.

then again, I feel sorry for you, your missing out on/ miss judging a lot of great films.

by **cotss2012** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:22 am

SlyTF1 wrote:Ok, I admit. It's not just the size of the explosions, but it's also the quantity of the explosions. Sorry. Pardon me for leaving that part out.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:28 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
Burn wrote:So how about that Michael Bay guy maybe changing his mind about doing another Transformers movie huh?
(Back on topic people)

He can direct as many TF movies as he wants, but for the love of God, will someone please hand him a decent script? Seriously.

I'm not sure that will help much.

Any Bay film that I ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the actors in the film, not the script.

Any movie period that I've ever enjoyed seemed to be due to the size of the explosions, not the actors or script.

Dude,I really hope that was a joke. I dont like to pass judgments on the taste of others, but if your really telling me that you have only EVER enjoyed films because of size of the explosions , and by that alone you judge the quality of any film,then I feel sorry for you.

There have been a lot of films that sport great stories with great performances with no explosions at all that are just fantastic.

Ok, I admit. It's not just the size of the explosions, but it's also the quantity of the explosions. Sorry. Pardon me for leaving that part out.

again, I hope your joking.

I am not.

then again, I feel sorry for you, your missing out on/ miss judging a lot of great films.

Hook, line, sinker.

BTW I'd love to see Bay make TF4. I really enjoyed these flicks.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:32 am

RhA wrote:Hook, line, sinker.

BTW I'd love to see Bay make TF4. I really enjoyed these flicks.

I enjoyed them for what they were, but was disappointed because of what they werent.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:39 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
RhA wrote:Hook, line, sinker.

BTW I'd love to see Bay make TF4. I really enjoyed these flicks.

I enjoyed them for what they were, but was disappointed because of what they werent.

Exactly. The problem is that people are looking for what isn't there. I keep looking for money in my bankaccount, but it just isn't there. Seems useless, doesn't it?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:17 am

RhA wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
RhA wrote:Hook, line, sinker.

BTW I'd love to see Bay make TF4. I really enjoyed these flicks.

I enjoyed them for what they were, but was disappointed because of what they werent.

Exactly. The problem is that people are looking for what isn't there. I keep looking for money in my bankaccount, but it just isn't there. Seems useless, doesn't it?

I would say that they are looking for what we should have gotten....and thats where the real problem lies.