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News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Sun May 29, 2011 4:04 pm

SoooTrypticon wrote:Character doesn't exist in these films, so no one should be surprised at last minute name changes- because all of the robots are interchangeable in their actions and motivations.

...if this character wasn't red, we wouldn't really be able to tell him apart by looking at him anyway. Heck, from the "camera-work" in the last one, it still might be impossible to discern between Red Car Robot and Beige Truck Robot.

News Credits: 5 · by **Doctor McGrath** » Sun May 29, 2011 4:05 pm

budmaloney wrote:I still can't comprehend how it's Mirage!
I just want to know, why is hasbro screwing up the characters and color schemes.
it just seems like "I'm Bay, I have to be different, instead of a red sideswide, we make him silver, black ironhide, green ratchet, and rainbow devastator!!!"
Did they not learn? The first 2 movies were sub par (yes even 1st movie from a Tf fan point of view, it barely had any transformers in it) , and the second one, we all agree was, monkey doody.
Bringing Shockwave, and finally actual guns (mech tech) for transformers was a good idea, optimus having a trailer again, appealing to fan base. But Mirage, being a Ferrari and RED!!! Every single fan on this forum speculated this could be Hot Rod, it HAS TO BE RIGHT? I mean he has all the checks
- red ...check
- sleek....check
- not crappy GM car and an actual amazing vehicle.... check
- killing optimus and having the wrath of all humanity bestowed upon him....in progress we'll see if he does it in this film.

but back to my point. Logically it's hotrod right? but we have word it's Mirage. So when a movie screws your logic up, it's usually a bad sign.
And what's with his Decepticon look, and threatning design. And now we have word it's not Mirage!!! I smell a trick.

on that note, why is Shockwave's loading of his weapon in his trailer sound exactly like Megatron's firing canon in ROTF 3 v 1 scene. Did they run out of sounds?

I'll have to wait and see, but regarding what an Italian accent is and famous Italian , name , I'd say Mario is better than a dry hump character called Mirage.

I think the "but this isn't G1" argument died with the first film. This could be Brawn for all the moververse cares.

News Credits: 6 · by **BeastProwl** » Sun May 29, 2011 4:07 pm

OMFG!

If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent! :grin:

I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

News Credits: 6 · by **BeastProwl** » Sun May 29, 2011 4:19 pm

Jason. wrote:Hey i just found another thing! If you look in this trailer at 0:15 seconds, You will see a military tank behind Mirage which looks like decpticon Brawl or Buldgeon. You will also see that Mirage is pointing out his swords "knives, etc" to a soilder fallen on the ground. And behind the soilder look at the right side bottom of your PC screen you will see soilders aiming at mirage with some of their weapons.
This means that the transformer with red colour is not Mirage but a Decpticon Or, This must be shot at that time when Mirage just reached earth and the military is surrounded him so that mirage dosen't run away or destroy anything. OR, They must have surrounded mirage to make sure that he is an autobot or a decpticon. Same thing also happened to bumblebee when he was caught by sector 7 agents. Btw, We just need to see the movie to figure it out.

I also already posted my opinion on that when this trailer first hit seibertron! do you guys ever read my comments?
Okay, rundown.
He's no con.
Like when sideswipe first came to earth, tales of the fallen, the humans attacked him.
He's a giant effing alien robot! even though the autobots and decepticons have been made more or less public, Humans will still point boomsticks at giant robots!
They pointed theyre weapons at them in ROTF at theyre own base, and the autobots pointed them right back. You dare Point a weapon at me? ME? IA AM IRONHIDE!
Further more, brawl is in this movie.
If that is him in the beck
I dont think it is
then those humans could be evil
I dont think they are
Besides, the autobots will just re direct him, and he'll put his swords down, you watch and see.
As far as the italian accent goes, well. the comment above this one......

News Credits: 1 · by **D-340** » Sun May 29, 2011 4:30 pm

Really. I didn't think Bay and his cronies were that stupid. More of this idiotic misinformation campaign, and it doesn't even sound like they're trying anymore. "The bot that's called Mirage well since forever isn't actually Mirage. Oh and btw, you all are stupid." Eff you Nelson, and Eff you Bay. Both of you are douche canoes.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun May 29, 2011 4:53 pm

BeastProwl wrote:OMFG!
If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent!
I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

Are you freaking serious!? Is it such a huge crim for a robot to have an accent other than an American or British accent? Is it such a big freaking deal? Look at Cybertron, every robot in that show had a different accent and no one complained! (Well, I did.)

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Sun May 29, 2011 5:05 pm

they need a robot with a Klingon accent

News Credits: 6 · by **BeastProwl** » Sun May 29, 2011 5:43 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:OMFG!
If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent!
I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

Are you freaking serious!? Is it such a huge crim for a robot to have an accent other than an American or British accent? Is it such a big freaking deal? Look at Cybertron, every robot in that show had a different accent and no one complained! (Well, I did.)

I watched it, thought bullshit, and watched galaxy force. much better, with better diolouge. soundwave in galaxy force: more like fear for one's self.
Transformers cybertron: He's just trippin cause he got served!
Really?
come on now!
:MAXIMAL:

by **Corduroy Bear** » Sun May 29, 2011 6:24 pm

Just a couple of things about the "Mirage" clip.

The humans in the foreground aren't wearing US camo, and the one on the far right is pointing a Kalashnikov at the robot. In Hollywood language, that makes them "bad guys."

The tank in the background is not Brawl, and it's not an Abrams. Those both have faceted armor and this one has rounded armor, at least on the turret. I can't make it out very well, but I'm guessing it's an M-60 being used by Hollywood to represent an "bad guy" eastern-bloc tank.

So, that is not necessarily a bad robot menacing "good guy" humans. It could be a robot of either allegiance menacing "bad guy" humans.

As far as the robot's name? Even if you believe Bay and his site about the Twins, they plainly lied when they said that the AMG was not Soundwave. So we could disregard this piece of doggerel as well.

But I favor another theory:

Minion: "Mr. Bay, the focus group results are in. Our urban samples loved the film because you made fun of rednecks."

Bay (in Karate Kid 3 villain voice): "Perrrfect."

Minion: "But sir, the rural samples were not so good. They felt that since you removed the Twins, there are no stereotypes they can enjoy."

Bay: "Blast! What else can we stereotype?"

Minion: "What about... foreigners? Sir?"

Bay: "Yes! Get me that midget who looks like Gaddafi again!"

Minion: "He's busy shooting an all-midget film about the Libyan uprising."

Bay: "Alright... it's coming to me... that Italian car! Let's re-dub him with a ridiculous accent! And we'll change his name to - wait for it - Leo-Car-do Davinci!"

Minion: "Brilliant, sir! I'll book Don Novello for the voicework!"

Bay (steepling fingers): "Perrrfect."

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun May 29, 2011 6:34 pm

Corduroy Bear wrote:Just a couple of things about the "Mirage" clip.

The humans in the foreground aren't wearing US camo, and the one on the far right is pointing a Kalashnikov at the robot. In Hollywood language, that makes them "bad guys."

I love how Russian means "bad guy". It's why I call my dog a terrorist because he has a Russian accent!

...don't ask.

News Credits: 1 · by **SKYWARPED_128** » Sun May 29, 2011 6:44 pm

He might turn out to be Mirage after all. This is probably just me, but the whole thing with the bot's "mantis arms" reminded me of those Reaper enemies from RE5. In the game, those things could create...wait for it...mirages to screw up your aim. And since some insects are known to be able to camouflage themselves.

Just my two cents' worth, and I'm probably over-analyzing the whole connection.

by **Catalyst_Prime** » Sun May 29, 2011 7:10 pm

The ferreri has to be mirage because if you look at that aforementioned toyvpicture you will see that the robot face on it resembles the face in the trailers which resembles the face in the game so it is defiantly mirage

by **TheDownshift** » Sun May 29, 2011 7:16 pm

Corduroy Bear wrote:Just a couple of things about the "Mirage" clip.

The humans in the foreground aren't wearing US camo, and the one on the far right is pointing a Kalashnikov at the robot. In Hollywood language, that makes them "bad guys."

The tank in the background is not Brawl, and it's not an Abrams. Those both have faceted armor and this one has rounded armor, at least on the turret. I can't make it out very well, but I'm guessing it's an M-60 being used by Hollywood to represent an "bad guy" eastern-bloc tank.

So, that is not necessarily a bad robot menacing "good guy" humans. It could be a robot of either allegiance menacing "bad guy" humans.

As far as the robot's name? Even if you believe Bay and his site about the Twins, they plainly lied when they said that the AMG was not Soundwave. So we could disregard this piece of doggerel as well.

But I favor another theory:

Minion: "Mr. Bay, the focus group results are in. Our urban samples loved the film because you made fun of rednecks."

Bay (in Karate Kid 3 villain voice): "Perrrfect."

Minion: "But sir, the rural samples were not so good. They felt that since you removed the Twins, there are no stereotypes they can enjoy."

Bay: "Blast! What else can we stereotype?"

Minion: "What about... foreigners? Sir?"

Bay: "Yes! Get me that midget who looks like Gaddafi again!"

Minion: "He's busy shooting an all-midget film about the Libyan uprising."

Bay: "Alright... it's coming to me... that Italian car! Let's re-dub him with a ridiculous accent! And we'll change his name to - wait for it - Leo-Car-do Davinci!"

Minion: "Brilliant, sir! I'll book Don Novello for the voicework!"

Bay (steepling fingers): "Perrrfect."

I just spit Dr.Pepper out all over my monitor. I've never laughed so hard on this site.

News Credits: 8 · by **Megatron Wolf** » Sun May 29, 2011 7:26 pm

Well if its not Mirage then hasbro probably just used the name on the toy so they could keeps the rights to said name and/or because they couldnt use the "famous italian" guys name for the toy. I say its all bullshit like every thing else stated before the bayformers movies come out, we all know that they constantly lie about movie related info.

News Credits: 150 · by **GetterDragun** » Sun May 29, 2011 9:46 pm

BeastProwl wrote:OMFG!
If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent!
I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

How is it a stereotype. Ferraris come from Italy, if a person came from Italy and spoke English, he'd have an Italian accent. Why do all the robots need to sound American?

by **Iamwarhorse** » Sun May 29, 2011 10:27 pm

So, we went from arguing about the Twins being or not being in the movie, to now if that's Mirage or not. Well, debating about this stuff does keep the forums alive.

News Credits: 1 · by **Starscream GaGa** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:52 am

What a joke. There goes all the credibility to the whole "No Twins" thing. I mean, this just proves that they're constant misinformation campaigns, "Shockwave is the main villain", "the silver Mercedes is not a Transformer", etc and now "Mirage isn't in the movie" are just to increase hype and try to make surprises by lying. With the Twins being in all the adaptions, on set, in the first trailer, in Wave 1 toys and then mentioned in the review (although later revised with the half-assed "I meant the other robots, who are in no way Twins, I just said they were because I was... confused") and the fact that they are once again trying an also debunked misinformation campaign, I can confidently say I don't believe a word that these people are saying.
They are far too late to start declaring he's not Mirage. They might as well start insisting that Sideswipe is not the Corvette. We have many adaptions, we have a toy, we know that's Mirage.
I also love that they not only lie, they do it in a really aggressive, rude way. It's like the misinformation campaign for jerks.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:31 am

you know, the car being Italian could work. It could be the best thing ever. If they get Brad Pitt, as Aldo Raine, to do the voice.

News Credits: 3 · by **NatsumeRyu** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:38 am

Ezio.

Or! wait,
blue Spy!!!

LOL :lol:

by **TheDownshift** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:37 am

NatsumeRyu wrote:Ezio.

Or! wait,
blue Spy!!!

LOL

I swear to god, if I saw a Ferrari-bot doing parkour, then swandive off a building while stabbing 2 random Decepticons in the neck, the floor of the theater will be a WHOLE lot stickier.

Also, The TF2 Spies are French.

by **shamone** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:40 am

I am not going to make any rash or harsh judgments regarding dotm or the characters names or changs until i have seen the flick. Gone into the previous two with open mind and will do same again.

by **SaTaN CoNvOy** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:45 am

Wether Mirage is in the film or not this Nelson guy seems like such a tool.

:twisted:

News Credits: 6 · by **BeastProwl** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:28 pm

GetterDragun wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:OMFG!
If you go back to when seibertron posted the trailer with mirage in it and read my comment. I totally called it! Italian Accent!
I shoulda put money down on that one!
Bay and his F*ckinf Steriotypes!

How is it a stereotype. Ferraris come from Italy, if a person came from Italy and spoke English, he'd have an Italian accent. Why do all the robots need to sound American?

okay, lets say he comes to earth and scans a ferrari. theres no guarantee he'll land in italy, he may as well just haave scanned it in amarica, its not the fact that it's Italian that bugs me, it's the fact that it's an italian car, given an Italian accent.
to me that's very steriotypical because he probably landed at optimus' location he vetted to earth, and the humans who are fighting him are iraqy-lookin not italian, sooo....
well, lets just wait for the film okay?
still. an Italian assassin? were have I seen that before?
:-$

tell no
one

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:08 pm

amcgrath929 wrote:
budmaloney wrote:I still can't comprehend how it's Mirage!
I just want to know, why is hasbro screwing up the characters and color schemes.
it just seems like "I'm Bay, I have to be different, instead of a red sideswide, we make him silver, black ironhide, green ratchet, and rainbow devastator!!!"
Did they not learn? The first 2 movies were sub par (yes even 1st movie from a Tf fan point of view, it barely had any transformers in it) , and the second one, we all agree was, monkey doody.
Bringing Shockwave, and finally actual guns (mech tech) for transformers was a good idea, optimus having a trailer again, appealing to fan base. But Mirage, being a Ferrari and RED!!! Every single fan on this forum speculated this could be Hot Rod, it HAS TO BE RIGHT? I mean he has all the checks
- red ...check
- sleek....check
- not crappy GM car and an actual amazing vehicle.... check
- killing optimus and having the wrath of all humanity bestowed upon him....in progress we'll see if he does it in this film.

but back to my point. Logically it's hotrod right? but we have word it's Mirage. So when a movie screws your logic up, it's usually a bad sign.
And what's with his Decepticon look, and threatning design. And now we have word it's not Mirage!!! I smell a trick.

on that note, why is Shockwave's loading of his weapon in his trailer sound exactly like Megatron's firing canon in ROTF 3 v 1 scene. Did they run out of sounds?

I'll have to wait and see, but regarding what an Italian accent is and famous Italian , name , I'd say Mario is better than a dry hump character called Mirage.

I think the "but this isn't G1" argument died with the first film. This could be Brawn for all the moververse cares.

Would it piss anyone off if I added another "but this isn't G1" name. I say OMEGA SUPREME! 8-}

by **Autobot Megatron** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:21 pm

Uhg. I can deal with him being Italian, but can we just name him Mirage and not be such an... tailpipe (I don't know, I'm trying to be PG) about it. Come on. Please.
Anyways, if it is, I'm guessing Mario, Luigi, or Leo-Car-Do Divinci, like someone already said.

WHY???? WHY CAN'T YOU BE STRAIGHT WITH US?!?!?!!?!?! :BANG_HEAD: