tom brokaw wrote:Homer wrote:tom brokaw wrote:cookies aint my thing, but i am eating some cupcakes.
maybe i will.
Sunstar wrote:I have seen it before where I have been asked to back up why I agree or disagree with something.
Koloth wrote:I was merely commenting on my own lack of understanding for collecting things that you're not going to enjoy. At least not in the same way I enjoy mine.
Koloth wrote:Sunstar wrote:I have seen it before where I have been asked to back up why I agree or disagree with something.
Well you should back up your opinions if you are going to present an argument to someone elses opinion. If you're just going to agree or disagree there is really little point in posting short of posting for the sake of posting. In the forum I moderate on another site posting just to post is against the rules. You have to be prepared to make a logical argument if you're going to post.
Of course there are times when you might just be trying to make a point and not really arguing with others. Certainly this forum isn't setup for the great debates that other forum is.
g1transformers wrote:I regard it as an investment
softimus_prime wrote:honestly this issue is somehow getting ridiculous to the fact that it's a flame starter for some of the board members and i dont dig the issue that one fellow seibertronian shows his collection on misb and then some issue about opening them came, i myself replied that i hope he'll open one of those toys someday then others suggested it but suddenly the thread just went crazy for some reason... i dont like that kind of stuff we are all having rights to give our opinions but let's not start an argument over something that we all share in common... collecting imo i open my toys just for a simple reason i like the feeling of toying them but for those who dont want to open their collection it's still fine because they say it's nice to keep them brand new and hell if i even have enough money i'll buy duplicates too just to keep them misb but unfortunately not... but let's just dont forget that tf toys is the reason why we are here not to argue with someone like their saying it's not a way of colecting or other stuff... again respect is the keyword here...
for those who open their toys that's cool and for those who doesn't still same reaction and to make the story short, imo im happy for those who share their collections opened or misb and happy to meet people like you guys...
p.s. too bad i cant see blkbitcloud's collection due to firewall issues but im happy for you dude!! more power!
g1transformers wrote:BW may not be the best example.
Koloth wrote:g1transformers wrote:BW may not be the best example.
Depends on what you're using it as an example for. I'm simply saying that MISB collecting is by no means a gareentee of a large return on your money.
Consider the Alternators as well. There was a time when the Red Box Tracks and Jazz could command a very high price. Upwards of $70 or more. Then Hasbro released the fishbowl versions. People that couldn't get them in the first release were happy enough that the red box versions dropped drastically. The TRU reissues dropped the prices on some of the vintage G1 figures as well. Simply because the demand was lowwer because of a greater supply.
While the mutual fund might not look good on the wall it certainly looks better in the investment portfolio. This is not to say you can't continue to collect them MISB all you like. And I'm sure that when you do sell they will in all likelyhood be worth a bit more than the purchase price. But over time stocks, bonds, CDs, ERAs, savings accounts and mutual funds are going to give the greater return.
And of course the worst scenario for toys as an investment is the whole Beanie baby debacle. People expecting the rake in huge sums on these things only to see the collecting craze crash as interest waned and there were no buyers to sell to. An unlikely scenario for transformers with sucha long history behind them. But the price you can fetch on toys is very much determined by what the buyer is willing to pay. If interest wanes then the rpices fall and fall fast.
Koloth wrote:Well no investment is 100% safe. But there are certianly safer things with higher rates of return than TFs.
I just personally have a problem with people buying TFs as an investment in and of itself. I was watching a TV show years ago during the Beanie Baby crash and one thing said by one guy on the show stuck with me. Don't collect toys or other items as an investment. Collect the things you enjoy and invest your money else where.
If you derive enjoyment from MISB toys that's great for you. Just as long as you realize the difference between a hobby and an investment. In the long run TFs may or may not make you rich. But you shouldn't be buying them looking forward to the day you sell them. You should be buying them because they bring you joy first and fore most.
I would gather you understand that aspect of it g1transformers so I'm not worried about what you do with your collection. I still say I don't understand how you enjoy a toy in a box but that's me and you do as you please. Though I would hope I get through to those other numbskulls out there collecting for the wrong reasons. Better to learn from the past and realize toys aren't the path to a quick buck. Though I would help if we could get people to stop paying $80 a pop on eBay for 08 BB.
As for the problems of the world, I wouldn't get overly concerned about it either way. Just do your part to make it better and hope those around you do the same.
Gutter Bunny wrote:I'm a mod in MY head...
skywarp-2 wrote:Invest to collect.. that's my philosophy.. I have a number of long term and short term investments, and Roth IRAs.. I use some of my dividens to purchase Transformers, mostly to pay off bills.. but I wouldn't consider Transformers a great investment.. generally most of my collection is MISB.. but I do buy asian releases because I can take them out with ease, then place them back and they become MIB instead of MISB.. either way, they aren't damaged, the package isn't damaged, there are no twisties to contend with, and the toy has had minimal dealings.. but mainly my reasons for doing this is because I have no display section or proper storage in my new house.. one day we will refinance and add on.. but till then they have to remain either MISB or MIB.... in lock down at my parents house..safest place ever!!!
MIB is actually an easy way to enjoy your figures.. you can take about an hour opening and placing it back into the box, replacing tape, twistie ties, ect...it's an art... But then again like I said, buy the Asian releases that are easily opened and you have no problem..I have no display, but I like to open it, transform it once, and display for about an hour or 2 while I gawk at it.. then it's back in the box, good as new!!
There is no real way to collect figure and transformers.. but I will say, those of us who still have our boxes... it really makes them easier to transport if you move to another house, condo, townhouse or apartment..and down the road if you need quick cash, they are easier to sell and command a better price..
though as I indicated before.. I would never sell my collection....
As long as you love and value your transformers and continue to buy and cherish them, you are collecting transformers the right way...
whether you open them or not.. it really doesn't matter so long as the first sentence above is true!!
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