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MaximalNui wrote:Regarding alt-modes, there's one thing I'd like to see modernized (or at least updated): organic dino-modes. Characters like Dinobot and Beast Megatron are still portrayed as the scaly, Jurassic Park-inspired beasts instead of the feathered look everyone's already aware is the most accurate. Even in Kingdom, where every other Beast Warrior got a more accurate beast mode, they only get slightly better proportions and scaly texture; they couldn't even bother to put Dinobot's hands at the right angle!
MaximalNui wrote:Regarding alt-modes, there's one thing I'd like to see modernized (or at least updated): organic dino-modes. Characters like Dinobot and Beast Megatron are still portrayed as the scaly, Jurassic Park-inspired beasts instead of the feathered look everyone's already aware is the most accurate. Even in Kingdom, where every other Beast Warrior got a more accurate beast mode, they only get slightly better proportions and scaly texture; they couldn't even bother to put Dinobot's hands at the right angle!
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Dinosaur transformers should get their beast modes updated for sure, as long as the original robot mode stays mostly the same, except for: No birdbrain, dinosaurs didn't have feathers! You don't have to be such a big banghead! Get off my Christian Minecraft server lol!
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That would only be applicable, if organic Beast Modes were introduced now. The altmodes of Beast Wars are as identifiable as the Bot Modes. Were Tarantulas purple? While also being close in size to Pterosaurs?
The original Dinobots and Insecticons led the way with Beast altmode authenticity. "Robots in disguise" didn't apply to G1 Beasts and it never has since.
MaximalNui wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Dinosaur transformers should get their beast modes updated for sure, as long as the original robot mode stays mostly the same, except for: No birdbrain, dinosaurs didn't have feathers! You don't have to be such a big banghead! Get off my Christian Minecraft server lol!
MaximalNui wrote:Oh, I have no problem with toys that represent the original iterations to stick with their aesthetic. Or with taking liberties regarding scale or color (especially for a mostly-generic altmode like Tarantulas, who didn't resemble any specific spider species). It's just when dealing with new versions of those characters (like, say IDW1 Dinobot), or a toyline whose entire aesthetic is centered around "more realistic beast modes" except for those examples that I draw the line.
To put it simply, I don't mind a G1 Grimlock keeping the tripod stance, but I'd be annoyed if any other version of Grimlock stayed that way instead of the correct parallel-to-the-ground stance.
MaximalNui wrote: the feathered look everyone's already aware is the most accurate.
Blastback wrote:MaximalNui wrote: the feathered look everyone's already aware is the most accurate.
While those of us that really pay some level of attention know this, a lot of laypeople out there still think the Jurassic Park designs were correct. I've lost track of the number of people I've suprised by telling that Velociraptor was roughly the size of a turkey.....
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But Dinosaurs didn't have feathers![]()
Cyber Bishop wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But Dinosaurs didn't have feathers![]()
according to scientists Velociraptors did, actual ones not the JP ones. Did you watch Dominion as they have an "accurate" looking velociraptor in there.
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Cyber Bishop wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But Dinosaurs didn't have feathers![]()
according to scientists Velociraptors did, actual ones not the JP ones. Did you watch Dominion as they have an "accurate" looking velociraptor in there.
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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But Dinosaurs didn't have feathers![]()
according to scientists Velociraptors did, actual ones not the JP ones. Did you watch Dominion as they have an "accurate" looking velociraptor in there.
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Fossil evidence is a wonderful thing. I too really want to see some dino-updates. I would love to see BW Dinobot but with the JP3 Raptor alt mode.
I'd also like if the G1 Dinobots took on alt forms more like FOC. Those dino's leaned more towards realistic, but still left some liberties, and to me that version of them are the definitive Dinobot designs.
Since I was thinking about him elsewhere, I think Ironhide needs a modernized design too. Soccer mom van mode just does not work for him, never has for me. I think he needs to adopt the FOC "F-U" SUV mode, or the movie style truck mode, both work so much better for him.
Blastback wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But Dinosaurs didn't have feathers![]()
according to scientists Velociraptors did, actual ones not the JP ones. Did you watch Dominion as they have an "accurate" looking velociraptor in there.
![]()
Fossil evidence is a wonderful thing. I too really want to see some dino-updates. I would love to see BW Dinobot but with the JP3 Raptor alt mode.
I'd also like if the G1 Dinobots took on alt forms more like FOC. Those dino's leaned more towards realistic, but still left some liberties, and to me that version of them are the definitive Dinobot designs.
Since I was thinking about him elsewhere, I think Ironhide needs a modernized design too. Soccer mom van mode just does not work for him, never has for me. I think he needs to adopt the FOC "F-U" SUV mode, or the movie style truck mode, both work so much better for him.
those dinobot designs were just about perfect. Would love to see more of them.
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Blastback wrote:MaximalNui wrote: the feathered look everyone's already aware is the most accurate.
While those of us that really pay some level of attention know this, a lot of laypeople out there still think the Jurassic Park designs were correct. I've lost track of the number of people I've suprised by telling that Velociraptor was roughly the size of a turkey.....
….Turkeys are big![]()
But Dinosaurs didn't have feathers![]()
Let me have my Jurassic Park, I'm a Christian!![]()
evolution is wrong, I don't want it spoiling my Transformers!![]()
If you want feathered dino tfs, buy a movie slash.
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But Dinosaurs didn't have feathers![]()
according to scientists Velociraptors did, actual ones not the JP ones. Did you watch Dominion as they have an "accurate" looking velociraptor in there.
![]()
No thanks, I dont want to hear about dumb evolution theories, I'm tired of this!
And your own saying, "question everything", does that include scientists?
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:One of the main ideas behind this thread was giving contemporary altmode design overhauls to those that are now dated, obsolete or redundant. For example, Soundwave and Blaster.
Another character in that vein is Silverbolt. It has been nearly two decades since the last Concorde (2003). His altmode is now obsolete technology. There have been a couple generations of kids that have no idea what he is, other than a "big jet". Yet that is the design that HasTak stick with.
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And your own saying, "question everything", does that include scientists?
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I was thinking on something recently and thought this the best place to pose the question.
Boats, ships, hovercraft, fish et al
Why don't water-based altmodes work/sell within Transformers?
Is it the pragmatic logistics that hold back their popularity or widespread use? Beast Wars, for example, had many aquatic based bots in the toyline. But even Depthcharge and Rampage didn't exactly fight/move with physics in mind, in their final encounter.
Outside of BW, for every Tidal Wave or Broadside. There are fifty cars, planes and trucks etc
Can/should anything be done to address the disparity? Or is it warranted??
Mkall wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I was thinking on something recently and thought this the best place to pose the question.
Boats, ships, hovercraft, fish et al
Why don't water-based altmodes work/sell within Transformers?
Is it the pragmatic logistics that hold back their popularity or widespread use? Beast Wars, for example, had many aquatic based bots in the toyline. But even Depthcharge and Rampage didn't exactly fight/move with physics in mind, in their final encounter.
Outside of BW, for every Tidal Wave or Broadside. There are fifty cars, planes and trucks etc
Can/should anything be done to address the disparity? Or is it warranted??
I hate to use the 'R' word in a genre where giant robots come from space and turn into vehicles to fight one another, but I'm thinking the answer is Realism.
Both cars and planes can play in the same playspace with air adding another dimension, they can still interact well enough with one another. Boats and the like have a much less interactive environment by design, which may limit how kids use them and limits the environments that cartoons can use them too.
Al that said, I love boats and want to see more of them. I'm just not hopeful.
PerfectVision wrote:BIONICLE has a submarine era.
There is a TV series that i have watched:it's called ZAK STORM,some sea adventures where you could put some transforming boat in."Never boring" is the good status to me.
Now that would be a very ambitious change of setting,unprobable.You can always hope for a minority but even that seems abandonned.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's no secret I'm a big fan of redecos and minor retool variants.
The aesthetic of mass production has always been something I find appealing within Transformers. As it suits the idea of a robotic race, better than any other concept such as Protoforms or budding.
To that end, I'm wondering if we could take it a step further? Applying the idea to other forms. A standardised aesthetic that would for example, integrate Grimlock, BW Megatron, Trypticon, Snapdragon etc Sharing engineering in spite of size or function disparity. The same ethos applied to Optimus Prime and Motormaster, Hoist and Kup etc, etc
Forever removing problematic licensing. While at the same time bringing a distinct uniformity to Transformers entire line.
MaximalNui wrote:I can see a few reasons this wouldn't work.
technological evolution (BW Megatron and G1 Grimlock should be as similar as a smartphone and a flip-phone)
MaximalNui wrote:They will have distinct bodies to mark their individuality.
MaximalNui wrote:And from a Doylist perspective, well, those wouldn't be very interesting toys. There's only so many times a parent or adult fan will accept buying the same toy with small changes in design, if only to save money on another more necessary or interesting thing.
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