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Need your advice on a few figures
I'm thinking of buy a few figures and wondered what the general consensus is.I am really torn on whether they are worth a purchase.
Ultimate Bumblebee
ROTF Leader Jetfire
ROTF Bludgeon
ROTF Fallen
ROTF Leader Megatron
Ultimate Bumblebee
ROTF Leader Jetfire
ROTF Bludgeon
ROTF Fallen
ROTF Leader Megatron
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Jetfire and Bludgeon are completely worth it.
Megatron is all right, but shouldn't be a high priority and The Fallen is not really my cup of tea.
Ultimate Bumblebee is large, fiddly and ultimately pointless
Megatron is all right, but shouldn't be a high priority and The Fallen is not really my cup of tea.
Ultimate Bumblebee is large, fiddly and ultimately pointless
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Ultimate Bumblebee - It's more for kids than collectors.
Leader Jetfire - An interesting masterpiece. If you like the movie, then you'll like the figure. Price justifies it.
Bludgeon - Probably one of the figures of the year. One of the best tanks, swordfighter figures in Transformers history.
The Fallen - A pretty weak figure, the alternate mode is pretty garbage. But if you like the movie... you'll probably like it too.
Leader Megatron - Not the best figure compared to the other 2 Leaders, and Leader Starscream that's coming out destroys Megatron... Only get it if you really need it.
So like Mkall - Jetfire + Bludgeon are the bright spots out of the 5.
Leader Jetfire - An interesting masterpiece. If you like the movie, then you'll like the figure. Price justifies it.
Bludgeon - Probably one of the figures of the year. One of the best tanks, swordfighter figures in Transformers history.
The Fallen - A pretty weak figure, the alternate mode is pretty garbage. But if you like the movie... you'll probably like it too.
Leader Megatron - Not the best figure compared to the other 2 Leaders, and Leader Starscream that's coming out destroys Megatron... Only get it if you really need it.
So like Mkall - Jetfire + Bludgeon are the bright spots out of the 5.

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I can't comment on most of these figures except for The Fallen.
I really like The Fallen figure. Out of the five Voyager figures I have, it's my favorite. It doesn't feel cheap and like it would break in my hands like the other Voyagers. The transformations can get a bit tricky with it and I swear I have part of his transformation a tad screwed up, but the directions that come with these toys aren't tremendously helpful either.
Personally, I find The Fallen to be worth it... Especially if you enjoyed the character, like myself.
I really like The Fallen figure. Out of the five Voyager figures I have, it's my favorite. It doesn't feel cheap and like it would break in my hands like the other Voyagers. The transformations can get a bit tricky with it and I swear I have part of his transformation a tad screwed up, but the directions that come with these toys aren't tremendously helpful either.
Personally, I find The Fallen to be worth it... Especially if you enjoyed the character, like myself.
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Ultimate Bumblebee: One of the lousiest excuses for a figure in a long time.
ROTF Leader Jetfire: Not too bad though personally I'd rather spend the money on something else.
ROTF Bludgeon: Cool, awesome, yeah, as soon as I see one, I'll snatch it up.
ROTF Fallen:Definitely competing for the worst toy of the year. Just a pile of garbage if you ask me. The Jet mode really is a stretch, and Robot mode has many flaws including falling legs on mine.
ROTF Leader Megatron: The Tank mode looks cool, and the Robot mode is imposing. The Voyager Megs I think is better. But its still not a bad buy. Leagues Better than 2007 Movie Megs.
ROTF Leader Jetfire: Not too bad though personally I'd rather spend the money on something else.
ROTF Bludgeon: Cool, awesome, yeah, as soon as I see one, I'll snatch it up.
ROTF Fallen:Definitely competing for the worst toy of the year. Just a pile of garbage if you ask me. The Jet mode really is a stretch, and Robot mode has many flaws including falling legs on mine.
ROTF Leader Megatron: The Tank mode looks cool, and the Robot mode is imposing. The Voyager Megs I think is better. But its still not a bad buy. Leagues Better than 2007 Movie Megs.
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ULTIMATE BUMBLEBEE: Overpriced, lots of noise, disproportionate and stubby. You should only get this as a present for a kid, or if you're an incurable completionist.
ROTF Leader Jetfire: Cool looking alt mode (viewed from above, at least), passable movie accuracy, and probably the only Leader-class Bayverse toy you'll ever see of him, since he dies in the movie. Then again, he might actually be resurrected via Micheal Bay's patented flawed logic. Somewhat funky transformation, but this should be your first choice among the whole lot.
ROTF Bludgeon: I know next to nothing about the history of this guy as a Pretender, but he's undoubtedly unique in design (Cybertronian Death Samurai!). And from the pics I've seen on Seibertron's gallery, he's pretty poseable, too. Another good candidate, but as a fan of jets, I still prefer Jetfire as a purely personal choice.
ROTF Fallen: Mediocre bot mode, no weapons, atrocious non-canon "Cybertronian destroyer" mode. While I don't quite regret buying him, he's definitely not the first choice if you have other TF's on your list.
ROTF Leader Megatron: "Buff-looking" (actually, a good thing!) bot mode, less-than-articulate arms, no second jet alt mode. The tank mode, while not as sleek as the movie CG rendering, looks sufficiently menacing and powerful. Megs still gets high points from me because, like Overcracker mentioned, he's indeed league better than the 2007 version. Overall, he looks good on display in both bot and alt mode, which is basically why most of us buy him, anyways; to display on a shelf/desktop/glass cabinet.
ROTF Leader Jetfire: Cool looking alt mode (viewed from above, at least), passable movie accuracy, and probably the only Leader-class Bayverse toy you'll ever see of him, since he dies in the movie. Then again, he might actually be resurrected via Micheal Bay's patented flawed logic. Somewhat funky transformation, but this should be your first choice among the whole lot.
ROTF Bludgeon: I know next to nothing about the history of this guy as a Pretender, but he's undoubtedly unique in design (Cybertronian Death Samurai!). And from the pics I've seen on Seibertron's gallery, he's pretty poseable, too. Another good candidate, but as a fan of jets, I still prefer Jetfire as a purely personal choice.
ROTF Fallen: Mediocre bot mode, no weapons, atrocious non-canon "Cybertronian destroyer" mode. While I don't quite regret buying him, he's definitely not the first choice if you have other TF's on your list.
ROTF Leader Megatron: "Buff-looking" (actually, a good thing!) bot mode, less-than-articulate arms, no second jet alt mode. The tank mode, while not as sleek as the movie CG rendering, looks sufficiently menacing and powerful. Megs still gets high points from me because, like Overcracker mentioned, he's indeed league better than the 2007 version. Overall, he looks good on display in both bot and alt mode, which is basically why most of us buy him, anyways; to display on a shelf/desktop/glass cabinet.
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Ultimate Bumblebee - I'd rather have the delux BB. Honestly!
ROTF Leader Jetfire - he's okay, probably the best of this bunch but I modified him a bit.
ROTF Bludgeon - I really want him, he looks great
ROTF Fallen - not a great figure, poor attempt at transformation
ROTF Leader Megatron[/quote] - utter rubbish. I waited till he was half price then rebuilt his arms, changed his transformation and gave him a decent neck joint. Now he's worth buying.
ROTF Leader Jetfire - he's okay, probably the best of this bunch but I modified him a bit.
ROTF Bludgeon - I really want him, he looks great
ROTF Fallen - not a great figure, poor attempt at transformation
ROTF Leader Megatron[/quote] - utter rubbish. I waited till he was half price then rebuilt his arms, changed his transformation and gave him a decent neck joint. Now he's worth buying.
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Re: Need your advice on a few figures
Ultimate Bumblebee - HA BB is probably what most collector would call the ultimate BB.
ROTF Leader Jetfire - Defitnely get him especially if you have Leader Prime/Buster Prime.
ROTF Bludgeon - Awesome Alt and Robot Mode. Though his body's a bit thin but its just a minor thing.
ROTF Fallen - Get the original color instead of the burning one.. I have the burning verison though its ok but I still prefer the original one. Alt mode is not as bad as many say it is, its just what you would prefer.
ROTF Leader Megatron - Voyager Megs is defitnely better at least IMO. But still not bad at least with the upcoming repaint he would look good if not better then the current one.
ROTF Leader Jetfire - Defitnely get him especially if you have Leader Prime/Buster Prime.
ROTF Bludgeon - Awesome Alt and Robot Mode. Though his body's a bit thin but its just a minor thing.
ROTF Fallen - Get the original color instead of the burning one.. I have the burning verison though its ok but I still prefer the original one. Alt mode is not as bad as many say it is, its just what you would prefer.
ROTF Leader Megatron - Voyager Megs is defitnely better at least IMO. But still not bad at least with the upcoming repaint he would look good if not better then the current one.
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Ultimate Bumblebee: Not my cup of tea, really. Great toy for kids, pointless for collectors.
ROTF Jetfire: Still on my to-buy list. Complex and impressive. Amazingly detailed and beautiful alt mode to boot!
ROTF Fallen: I've been considering the "burning" repaint myself.
ROTF Leader Megatron: a metallic paintjob would have done wonders for this figure. As it stands, I've passed on him so far, but he HAS been quite tempting.
ROTF Bludgeon: BUY THIS.
ROTF Jetfire: Still on my to-buy list. Complex and impressive. Amazingly detailed and beautiful alt mode to boot!
ROTF Fallen: I've been considering the "burning" repaint myself.
ROTF Leader Megatron: a metallic paintjob would have done wonders for this figure. As it stands, I've passed on him so far, but he HAS been quite tempting.
ROTF Bludgeon: BUY THIS.

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Ultimate Bumblebee - pass
ROTF Leader Jetfire - buy
ROTF Bludgeon - BUY!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTF Fallen - ehh buy
ROTF Leader Megatron - pass
ROTF Leader Jetfire - buy
ROTF Bludgeon - BUY!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTF Fallen - ehh buy
ROTF Leader Megatron - pass
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Ultimate Bumblebee - I never got him, but it seems he's more for kids than collectors.
Leader Jetfire - He's pretty cool. Definitely worth it if you have Prime, because you can use him for Power Up prime, in addition to a huge jet mode and a cool bot mode.
The Fallen - I personally like him. He's definitely not the best figure out there, but I think he makes for a very cool display piece. Get him if you like the character.
Leader Megatron - He's big and menacing, but slightly disappointing. I really don't care for the huge gun arm, and he's just not up to par with Prime and Starscream. Still, not a bad figure to have sparring with Optimus.
Bludgeon - I don't have him... YET. But from what I've seen, one of the best Voyagers of the line.
Leader Jetfire - He's pretty cool. Definitely worth it if you have Prime, because you can use him for Power Up prime, in addition to a huge jet mode and a cool bot mode.
The Fallen - I personally like him. He's definitely not the best figure out there, but I think he makes for a very cool display piece. Get him if you like the character.
Leader Megatron - He's big and menacing, but slightly disappointing. I really don't care for the huge gun arm, and he's just not up to par with Prime and Starscream. Still, not a bad figure to have sparring with Optimus.
Bludgeon - I don't have him... YET. But from what I've seen, one of the best Voyagers of the line.

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Ultimate Bumblebee - is kids play! not for collectors
LC Jetfire - Alt mode is not bad, still can see kibble though, but not as bad as Silverbolt, SR-71 accuracy is there as well. bot mode, HORRIBLE scottish accent when triggered, (do yourself a favor, pull the battery if you get it) sometimes can be hard to stand and pose, semi-articulate i think. Overall, still a great figure and combines with LC Prime.
Bludgeon - Just awesome!! i would rank him 5 out of 5 cause of G1 homeage, awesome alt mode and bot mode and he could be used in the classic line as well.
The Fallen - I too dont regret buying, but habro should have done something with him, nothing comes to mind right at the moment, but the alt mode is ok, you still can tell its a robot and not a cybertronian fighter and for bot mode, not really big on the spring loaded feet and the arms and legs should have been better. Also, i would get the Burning Fallen cause he looks alot better in person, than in any pictures.
LC Megatron - A nice metallic paint job would have done this figure wonders!! Bot mode, he's not that bad, but to have articulation for the cannon arm would have be nice and maybe an interchangable arm for his gimp arm too! Alt mode, should have more streamline and that damn leg keeps popping out too. Personnally i would wait for LC SS instead or wait for Shadow Command Megatron, he looks better.
LC Jetfire - Alt mode is not bad, still can see kibble though, but not as bad as Silverbolt, SR-71 accuracy is there as well. bot mode, HORRIBLE scottish accent when triggered, (do yourself a favor, pull the battery if you get it) sometimes can be hard to stand and pose, semi-articulate i think. Overall, still a great figure and combines with LC Prime.
Bludgeon - Just awesome!! i would rank him 5 out of 5 cause of G1 homeage, awesome alt mode and bot mode and he could be used in the classic line as well.
The Fallen - I too dont regret buying, but habro should have done something with him, nothing comes to mind right at the moment, but the alt mode is ok, you still can tell its a robot and not a cybertronian fighter and for bot mode, not really big on the spring loaded feet and the arms and legs should have been better. Also, i would get the Burning Fallen cause he looks alot better in person, than in any pictures.
LC Megatron - A nice metallic paint job would have done this figure wonders!! Bot mode, he's not that bad, but to have articulation for the cannon arm would have be nice and maybe an interchangable arm for his gimp arm too! Alt mode, should have more streamline and that damn leg keeps popping out too. Personnally i would wait for LC SS instead or wait for Shadow Command Megatron, he looks better.

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Re: Need your advice on a few figures
Ultimate Bumblebee: Not really worth to buy unless you are an avid Bumblebee fan. I feel it's kinda bulky.
Leader Class Jetfire: Worth to buy. Transformation may be just little complicated but it's a good choice to be bought. Even better if you have Leader class Optimus Prime.
Voyager Class Bludgeon: Looks cool in my opinion. Everything looks fine with the sweet figure.
Voyager Class The Fallen: Definitely a movie- accurate figure. But I did prefer Bludgeon more than The Fallen unfortunately..
Leader Class Megatron: Movie- accurate but I prefer the 1st movie figure though..
Leader Class Jetfire: Worth to buy. Transformation may be just little complicated but it's a good choice to be bought. Even better if you have Leader class Optimus Prime.
Voyager Class Bludgeon: Looks cool in my opinion. Everything looks fine with the sweet figure.
Voyager Class The Fallen: Definitely a movie- accurate figure. But I did prefer Bludgeon more than The Fallen unfortunately..
Leader Class Megatron: Movie- accurate but I prefer the 1st movie figure though..

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I'll comment on Ultimate Bumblebee. I hate to hear everybody say that he is a kids toy. With the whopping price tag, he's not exactly a toy you want to give to some kid and see him get broken. He is actually a DECENT , not great display piece. My problems with him are his stubby looking feet, his cannon arm gimmick, and his kibble.
For how big the figure is, I'm thinking that they could have molded some more movie accurate feet, the feet look cartoony compared to the rest of the figure. The cannon arm.....well, I hate them period. Hasbro is getting on my nerves with Bee's cannon arms. It ruins every figure that they use it on. I would have HA Bee by now if not for the cannon arm, as such HA Bee will probably never grace my display shelf. I don't care for the kibble in bot mode. I'm thinking they could have done something else with all of the car panels in bot mode. I don't like how the tail end of the car sits on his heels.
He is very bulky due to his electronics but I can live with that due to him being a display piece. His vehicle mode is actually awesome. His transformation isn't too complicated considering the size of the figure. And his electronics go well with his vehicle mode. Less so in robot mode. Plus all of the gears in him for his auto motion stuff can limit his posability, and by can I mean do.
All in all, your left with the same feeling you get when you by Combiner class Devastator and MP Megatron: All this money and this is it? They could have done some things better with him but its still not a bad overall effort.
As far as recommending it well, I guess it depends on what you want. If makes a great display piece in Camaro mode, an ok diplay in bot mode. You don't have to be afraid of transforming him if you like to transform your figures a lot. For everybody who said he is a kids toy, don't listen to that. He's too expensive, too big, and his gimmick features do not lend themselves well to "playing". He is a display piece period. Something meant to be pulled off the shelf once in a while to show your friends, "look what this does" and then put right back on the shelf. On the other hand, you could take the money and buy two or more figures that you really love instead of one that you may be indifferent about.
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For how big the figure is, I'm thinking that they could have molded some more movie accurate feet, the feet look cartoony compared to the rest of the figure. The cannon arm.....well, I hate them period. Hasbro is getting on my nerves with Bee's cannon arms. It ruins every figure that they use it on. I would have HA Bee by now if not for the cannon arm, as such HA Bee will probably never grace my display shelf. I don't care for the kibble in bot mode. I'm thinking they could have done something else with all of the car panels in bot mode. I don't like how the tail end of the car sits on his heels.
He is very bulky due to his electronics but I can live with that due to him being a display piece. His vehicle mode is actually awesome. His transformation isn't too complicated considering the size of the figure. And his electronics go well with his vehicle mode. Less so in robot mode. Plus all of the gears in him for his auto motion stuff can limit his posability, and by can I mean do.
All in all, your left with the same feeling you get when you by Combiner class Devastator and MP Megatron: All this money and this is it? They could have done some things better with him but its still not a bad overall effort.
As far as recommending it well, I guess it depends on what you want. If makes a great display piece in Camaro mode, an ok diplay in bot mode. You don't have to be afraid of transforming him if you like to transform your figures a lot. For everybody who said he is a kids toy, don't listen to that. He's too expensive, too big, and his gimmick features do not lend themselves well to "playing". He is a display piece period. Something meant to be pulled off the shelf once in a while to show your friends, "look what this does" and then put right back on the shelf. On the other hand, you could take the money and buy two or more figures that you really love instead of one that you may be indifferent about.
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Exic wrote:Leader Class Megatron: Movie- accurate but I prefer the 1st movie figure though..
Movie accurate? Are you kidding? You know what, I cannot believe so many people have said he's worth buying as I think he's total rubbish! Still, to each their own! But he really should have been made to look like this although obviously without the paint job.
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Bludgeon. Even if you only get just one of them it's Bludgeon. He's easily the best toy in the RotF line so far. If you want to get another good RotF Voyager that's not on your list get Recon Ironhide. I was pleasantly surprised with how cool of a toy he was.

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Ruthless Cynic wrote:I'm thinking of buy a few figures and wondered what the general consensus is.I am really torn on whether they are worth a purchase.
Ultimate Bumblebee
ROTF Leader Jetfire
ROTF Bludgeon
ROTF Fallen
ROTF Leader Megatron
Ultimate Bumblebee—I don't own one.
ROTF Leader Jetfire—A really nice figure. Alt mode looks realistic from the top down but underneath looks like the bottom of the plane was removed. Robot mode looks pretty good IMO. The cane can be fiddly at times. Recommended.
ROTF Bludgeon—A really cool modern reimagining of Pretender Bludgeon. Tank mode looks menacing. THe fluorescent orange bits do keep it from being perfect though. Robot mode is nicely sculpted and the mini knife holder that opens from his turret is really cool. The only downside is his hands can mar the large sword handle/cannon because it is made from a bendable plastic. Highly Recommended.
ROTF Fallen—a bit of a disappointment. Alt mode is very alien and strange though it does look like a Bayformer Cybertronian mode. Robot is ok. Very easy transformation. Not Recommended
ROTF Leader Megatron—another disappointing figure. Alt mode looks ok. Easily recognizable as a tank. Pretty simple transformation compared to the other leader figures in the line. Robot mode is a bit better but tiny left arm and oversized right arm look off balance.—Not Recommended.
All in all, I've been disappointed in most of the ROTF figures that had a Cybertronian alt mode due to their super simple transformations and bizarre alt modes.
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Re: Need your advice on a few figures
Mykltron wrote:Exic wrote:Leader Class Megatron: Movie- accurate but I prefer the 1st movie figure though..
Movie accurate? Are you kidding? You know what, I cannot believe so many people have said he's worth buying as I think he's total rubbish! Still, to each their own! But he really should have been made to look like this although obviously without the paint job.
I have to say Premium Leader Class Megatron (2007) is better than the Leader class Megatron that is currently out.
Voyager Megatron (ROTF) is definitely movie accurate sans the color scheme, but if you can get it customized the more power to you. I will post some pictures of mine sometime later.
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Re: Need your advice on a few figures
Ultimate Bumblebee
ROTF Leader Jetfire
ROTF Bludgeon
ROTF Fallen
ROTF Leader Megatron
Ultimate Bumblebee - pass ( get human alliance its better & cheaper does more
ROTF Leader Jetfire - if you have preim go for it more impressive in detail than megatron but the combination is little diffucult and tricky for some im one of them
ROTF Bludgeon - you mean the repaint? pass on the repaint- the tank version buy on spot
ROTF Fallen - i was impressed buy him could use litte more paint in hte head region though i buy him hes probably more detailed fallen figure that transfomring ailbtys compaerd to robotheros, no robot repolicas fallen you looking for fallen that transforms get fallen, you could careless about transfroming ablity get roborepilca fallen
ROTF Leader Megatron - hes ok i say hes brick if you pose bacl of tanks teads in right possition hel fall over easly in bot mode i have him but for you dont take my word for it everyone here is differnt possilbtys when buying hes more detailer than vorgar class buttake everyones word to buy or not buy dont take my advice on this figure
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Honestly, The list is pretty dull except for Bludgeon. He is very good.
Jetfire is interesting, but I would refrain from calling him a "interesting Masterpiece" as stated above. Definitely not a Masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination.
Megatron just looks like a total bore to me.
Someone said it already, but HA BB is the best BB out there.
The Fallen is seriously just an "Action Figure". Calling that thing a Transformer is stretching it.
Jetfire is interesting, but I would refrain from calling him a "interesting Masterpiece" as stated above. Definitely not a Masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination.
Megatron just looks like a total bore to me.
Someone said it already, but HA BB is the best BB out there.
The Fallen is seriously just an "Action Figure". Calling that thing a Transformer is stretching it.
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Re: Need your advice on a few figures
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Bludgeon is the best figure in the list by far...he lives up to the hype and is probably the only "must buy" on the list.
Jetfire is decent or better. Probably worth the MSRP.
On its own Ultimate BB is okay, but definitely not worth the MSRP. Look for a super deal if you really want it. The supposed mistake $35 Wal-mart price a ways back was about "right" for it. I wouldn't recommend paying more than leader class price for it. And as others have said, both the deluxe and HA BBs are probably better figures outright, and definitely the better value.
Leader Megs is okay. Probably not worth full price, but more or less worthwhile at $30-35.
Haven't opened the Fallen yet, but by most accounts if you like the look of his bot mode, that's about as good as it's gonna get with him. Alt mode is pointless and his transformation is supposedly a bit lackluster.
Jetfire is decent or better. Probably worth the MSRP.
On its own Ultimate BB is okay, but definitely not worth the MSRP. Look for a super deal if you really want it. The supposed mistake $35 Wal-mart price a ways back was about "right" for it. I wouldn't recommend paying more than leader class price for it. And as others have said, both the deluxe and HA BBs are probably better figures outright, and definitely the better value.
Leader Megs is okay. Probably not worth full price, but more or less worthwhile at $30-35.
Haven't opened the Fallen yet, but by most accounts if you like the look of his bot mode, that's about as good as it's gonna get with him. Alt mode is pointless and his transformation is supposedly a bit lackluster.
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