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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Dark Starscream » Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:02 pm

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Dark Starscream wrote:I didn't pick up from the G1 cartoon that Mirage was an elitist, but I know that was in his profile. I'm a little disappointed that the writers and this voice actor didn't point out that what Mirage is REALLY known for isn't that he's a Cybertronian elitist, it's that he can turn invisible!!!

That was one of my biggest gripes: why give Mirage Hound's ability to make holograms when Hound was right there in the show?

It's like if we were watching a new X-Men cartoon and Wolverine was shooting blasts from his eyes and Cyclops had claws. It's just not right.

You do know that Mirage's ability has never actually been true invisibility right?

He just uses holograms to cloak himself which is part of his general hologram powers. (Hound had a hologram gun that was simplified in the G1 show as an ability rather then just having a gun for that.)

Not to mention that your talking about his most well known ability rather then him as a character, which his attitude would be in this case.


Look, ask a number of Transformers fans "What is Mirage known for", and the answer you will overwhelming get is "he turns invisible." Even my wife could tell you that. Before Siege, ask this question and no one would say "he makes holograms." This is Transformers 101 that Siege got wrong.

Most people who aren't hard core fans that read and memorize tech specs wouldn't even know he was an elitist on old Cybertron, as that wasn't evident in G1 at all.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Decepticon Stryker » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:22 pm

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Deadput wrote:
Dark Starscream wrote:I didn't pick up from the G1 cartoon that Mirage was an elitist, but I know that was in his profile. I'm a little disappointed that the writers and this voice actor didn't point out that what Mirage is REALLY known for isn't that he's a Cybertronian elitist, it's that he can turn invisible!!!

That was one of my biggest gripes: why give Mirage Hound's ability to make holograms when Hound was right there in the show?

It's like if we were watching a new X-Men cartoon and Wolverine was shooting blasts from his eyes and Cyclops had claws. It's just not right.

You do know that Mirage's ability has never actually been true invisibility right?

He just uses holograms to cloak himself which is part of his general hologram powers. (Hound had a hologram gun that was simplified in the G1 show as an ability rather then just having a gun for that.)

Not to mention that your talking about his most well known ability rather then him as a character, which his attitude would be in this case.


Look, ask a number of Transformers fans "What is Mirage known for", and the answer you will overwhelming get is "he turns invisible." Even my wife could tell you that. Before Siege, ask this question and no one would say "he makes holograms." This is Transformers 101 that Siege got wrong.

Most people who aren't hard core fans that read and memorize tech specs wouldn't even know he was an elitist on old Cybertron, as that wasn't evident in G1 at all.

Except he did have the ability to create illusions. It was present in the Marvel comics and quite a few children's books. IDW even had him use this to disguise himself as Bumblebee. Just because he didn't show this ability in the G1 cartoon doesn't mean Siege pulled it out of nowhere.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Deadput » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:45 am

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Not to mention the invisibility is presented as a hologram ability (with the "body cube" going over him) much like Hounds.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Quantum Surge » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:29 am

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Mirage's powers don't really bother me. I'm more upset about how he doesn't really stand out from the other characters that sound young in terms of voice (this isn't in any way mocking the VA). For all we know, Ironhide would squeeze Ratchet's Siege extremities from his backside, and I'd wonder why he sounds relatively similar to all the bigger male characters that try to sound tough with no real distinction.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Deadput » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:24 pm

Motto: "Let's kick the tires and light the fires!"
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Young Ironhide could be a reference to Animated?

Man this made me think of a cool story idea for a future show/comic where the traditional Ark crash happens but Ironhide (who at the time is more like his Energon counterpart in age/attitude) is left awake but doesn't have the capabilities/knowledge to repair the other Autobots so he has to spend the next several years getting fuel together to boot up Teletraan 1 and by the time the other Autobots wake up Ironhide has become the older grizzled character he traditionally is.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:00 pm

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Deadput wrote:Young Ironhide could be a reference to Animated?
He still had a tough-sounding voice in that one.

Deadput wrote:Man this made me think of a cool story idea for a future show/comic where the traditional Ark crash happens but Ironhide (who at the time is more like his Energon counterpart in age/attitude) is left awake but doesn't have the capabilities/knowledge to repair the other Autobots so he has to spend the next several years getting fuel together to boot up Teletraan 1 and by the time the other Autobots wake up Ironhide has become the older grizzled character he traditionally is.
Kinda reminds me of the IDW Ironhide mini-series where he's alone on Cybertron, amnesiac, and has to take care of the Insecticon swarm by himself so that the planet could be habitable again later.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Deadput » Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:37 am

Motto: "Let's kick the tires and light the fires!"
Weapon: Fusion Blaster Cannon
Sabrblade wrote:
Deadput wrote:Man this made me think of a cool story idea for a future show/comic where the traditional Ark crash happens but Ironhide (who at the time is more like his Energon counterpart in age/attitude) is left awake but doesn't have the capabilities/knowledge to repair the other Autobots so he has to spend the next several years getting fuel together to boot up Teletraan 1 and by the time the other Autobots wake up Ironhide has become the older grizzled character he traditionally is.
Kinda reminds me of the IDW Ironhide mini-series where he's alone on Cybertron, amnesiac, and has to take care of the Insecticon swarm by himself so that the planet could be habitable again later.

That miniseries was probably in the back of my mind while I was writing the post.

It was a decent story.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:41 am

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Also, here's a comment below the video from F.J. DeSanto:
Fun video, thanks for watching it in such detail. Few things: 1. Yep thats Scrapface. 2. Jetfire action scenes are new (they are edited here). You'll see. 3. First shot of red eyes is not who we see at the end 4. There's a reason for Exhaust's head. 5. Doubledealer (and his face) came to us direct from Hasbro. 6. Cool you caught the seekers being pre Earth. 7. That's not the nemesis or the merc ship. 8. you are right about what we are showing (barely anything).
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