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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:17 am

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Deadput wrote:I think future Megatrons could benefit from having a less brooding personality since those have been the trend as of late


Plus not have a creepy, pouting mouth :SICK:

Deadput wrote: you can do terrible things yet have a fun personality anyways.


Exhibit A:

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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Deadput » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:05 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Plus not have a creepy, pouting mouth :SICK:
If anything Siege Megatron needed bigger lips. :*


AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Exhibit A:

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Ah yes that Silverbolt, he truly did some horrible atrocities while proclaiming himself a knight in shining armor, the horror of this villain really does shine!

But no I really do like Beast Wars Megatron despite the show as a whole not being one I find memorable overall beyond a few characters
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:17 am

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Given how it ends though, I do wonder if they will even bother to incorporate Megatron into the plot of Earthrise? Perhaps the fact that it is the exact same figure, might mean the Decepticon story continues where Siege left it, on Cybertron. Meanwhile Prime and the Autobots encounter Quints and Shudder...Earth.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Deadput » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:38 am

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Well they have to go to Earth to get Earth-modes right?

If it means anything Cyberverse didn't really have humans for that matter, so honestly I can't see the Earthrise show featuring them either, the most I could see is a small group of them like with Prime and it's human population of 10 people.

I suppose it would help if people actually made likable humans again like Spike, Sparkplug, Chip (my actual favorite character in the entire franchise and he isn't even a Transformer) and Carly again who aren't annoying, that's actually one of the Sunbow cartoon's good points since it was able to create memorable characters besides just the Transformers.


Given the way Siege ended I absolutely expect the show to be split between Cybertron and Earth/Space/Ark
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:53 am

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Deadput wrote:I suppose it would help if people actually made likable humans again
They did a few years ago.

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And of those nine, Cody's presently still making appearances as a young adult.

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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:05 am

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My view on humans hasn't changed since I was a kid. Either two (TF:TM) or None (Beast Era). The latter is always preferable, but the former did work well enough.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:20 am

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Also, about Spike. He was fine as an adult in Season 3, but a lot of people tend to forget that he did have a number of doofus moments in Seasons 1-2, and I don't specifically mean the time he brought tape deck Soundwave into the Ark.

One such example would be in the "Dinobot Island" two-parter when he goes there for the first time and just starts wandering off and randomly monologuing to himself like he was in a dumb stupor or something and nearly gets eaten twice, when he was specifically told to be careful and not do anything stupid. We'd expect that kind of thing from a child, but Spike was, what, 15 at the oldest by then? He was at least old enough to have already been working at a job way back in the series pilot.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:23 am

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I did like how they aged Spike to show time passing within the series. It's a shame we never got to see where the Transformers would be by the time Daniel was an adult.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:26 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I did like how they aged Spike to show time passing within the series.
They kinda had to since it would've been weird to for him to look, sound, and act the same after a 20-year time skip. ;)

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's a shame we never got to see where the Transformers would be by the time Daniel was an adult.
In Western fiction, at least.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:33 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's a shame we never got to see where the Transformers would be by the time Daniel was an adult.
In Western fiction, at least.



After a quick look on the Wiki..


:shock: Indeed!
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:38 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's a shame we never got to see where the Transformers would be by the time Daniel was an adult.
In Western fiction, at least.



After a quick look on the Wiki..


:shock: Indeed!
All except for this, but nobody liked that:

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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:40 am

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G2?

I mean I did write a little G1 myself once upon a time and even included Daniel. As plot progression is my thing.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:42 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:G2?
Issue #1 of Transformers: The Wreckers, from 2001.

People hated it.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:48 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:G2?
Issue #1 of Transformers: The Wreckers, from 2001.

People hated it.


Another look to the Wiki..


I can see why that one was hated... :BOOM:
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:54 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:G2?
Issue #1 of Transformers: The Wreckers, from 2001.

People hated it.


Another look to the Wiki..


I can see why that one was hated... :BOOM:
I personally liked the rest of the Beast Machines-set story that followed after that G1-set flashback, but said flashback only existed to turn Arcee angsty and give her a bad attitude when she later showed up in her spider form.

(also, that story's Wiki article is in serious need of an overhaul; been on my to-do list for years, but keep putting it off :oops: )
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:58 am

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There is such a thing as too many characters though.
You know The Walking Dead comic and even Game of Thrones might be infamous for culling their casts. But they at least bothered to show those killed as characters first.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:01 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There is such a thing as too many characters though.
You know The Walking Dead comic and even Game of Thrones might be infamous for culling their casts. But they at least bothered to show those killed as characters first.
At the very least, the finale written years later by different writers is wonderful.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby aronjlove » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:14 am

ZeroWolf wrote:The only time evil will truly win is part one of a duology, a part 2 of s trilogy, on in Star Wars example parts 3 and 5 (in a certain point of view you can chalk the entire prequel trilogy as a bad guy win).

Also Aronjlove, Spider Man is only Peter Parker..
When he's not Miles Morales (or who ever the guy from the live action Japanese show was)

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Going back to the Spider-Man comparison. The main difference being that Spider-Man isn't hard rebooted every 3-5 years. Plus, there has been actual plot progression for many years. In fact the one time Spider-Man's status quo was seriously reset, One More Day, it was universally reviled. Because unlike those in charge at the time, the fans didn't want to stick their heads in the sand and relive 60's Spider-Man forever. Which sounds oddly familiar :-?

In hindsight, I probably should have used Superman instead of Spider-Man for this analogy as he has been hard rebooted several times and while there have been a few Superboys, they only become Superman in alternate futures.

But, at the same time, maybe Spider-Man was a perfect analogy because you both showed how Spider-Man has evolved, he has had growth and change of his own and he has a legacy that other characters have filled, such as Mile Morales or any of the alternate Spider-Men like the anime ones.

Now I want Into the Spider-Verse but with a bunch of Cliffjumpers. Maybe this way he won't die in the first season. Or every season a different Cliffjumper dies.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:46 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:The only time evil will truly win is part one of a duology, a part 2 of s trilogy, on in Star Wars example parts 3 and 5 (in a certain point of view you can chalk the entire prequel trilogy as a bad guy win).
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Anyway, in spite of the characterisation misfires, Beast Machines was the last time in a main series the villain was allowed to win.
There was... one time, that the bad guys beat the good guys, in an ordinary episode.

Beast Wars season 1 episode 11, "The Probe". The Maximals made a plan of their own in that episode, and Megatron ruined it. He won, they lost.

And now that I think about it, the Maximals lost a second time in the very next episode, "Victory".

The Preds faked their own demise, successfully tricking the Maximals into thinking they were destroyed. The Maximals looted the Preds' ship for tech to make the Axalon fly again, and nearly left the planet to return to Cybertron... until Megatron ruined that plan too, forcing the Maximals to remain stranded. They lost, again.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:07 am

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But, Beast Machines was victory to a far greater extent than winning an episode's skirmish. Megatron conquered Cybertron. On his own. With an army under his command so vast, he could not be overcome. A victory or two against a handful of Vehicon drones was ultimately meaningless. Because the enemy numbers realistically made such loses immaterial.

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Which is the whole point. Given Transformers is no longer allowed to do those things...
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:23 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But, Beast Machines was victory to a far greater extent than winning an episode's skirmish. Megatron conquered Cybertron. On his own. With an army under his command so vast, he could not be overcome. A victory or two against a handful of Vehicon drones was ultimately meaningless. Because the enemy numbers realistically made such loses immaterial.
I didn't say that Beast Machines didn't count. You guys were saying that the bad guys aren't ever allowed to win outside of exceptional circumstances that are ultimately thwarted by the good guys in the long run (e.g. multi-part cliffhangers and series beginnings), so I wanted to add in two cases of the bad guys being allowed to actually win in normal circumstances that never got undone. Two cases in which Megatron actually successfully foiled the Maximals' plans.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:27 am

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Oh I meant "big" wins. As in Plot changing wins. The kind that The Agenda pt 3 would have been if they didn't backpeddle.
One of the great missed opportunities of Sunbow is Not Showing both times Megatron gained control of Cybertron. Something that has been replicated in Siege.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:20 pm

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Both times in Sunbow? I assumed the stuff at the beginning was just because the Autobots (apart from a small few) had effectively left Cybertron, leaving that small few behind to become saboteurs.
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Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:21 pm

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That's the thing. Wherein both times it was offscreen. So the details were always sketchy.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #260 - Pulsecon 2020
Twincast / Podcast #260:
"Pulsecon 2020"
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Posted: Sunday, September 27th, 2020

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