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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:41 pm

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I agree 100% with listening to the fans. Put it this way: If they listened to the fans, it would probably go over even better than it seems to be in quarters other than on a dedicated Transformers message board.


I'm not offended in the least, and didn't mean to direct my comment to you, sol magnus. I was generalizing from past comments about the Bay movies and even comments some folks have made toward me about the NETFLIX series.

My whole point is, the show itself isn't horrible. It does have a lot of qualities i like. The graphics, minus a few lips here and there, are pretty top notch. Its just the voice acting and characterizations that are off, which are things someone could have fixed had it been addressed early enough. That's what is frustrating about it. The only reason I'm voicing my opinion is because I want to see these things addressed in the future or on future projects.

Well, here's hoping. I mean, Elita might not be in Earthrise to continue to be a mother hen so it would be hard to correct that - for example. We live in hope.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Netflix line Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:30 pm

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BIG TIME. Plus you didn't mention the biggest miss of all. Obviously, the film characterisation is not his fault, but it's still his voice behind the most out of character rendition of Prime we have ever gotten.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby TulioDude » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:43 pm

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I finished watching it and I must say...I liked it!
From a visual standpoint it looks pretty good.They way they used the color and the lighting made some shots look a moving version of Livio Ramondelli's drawings.
For me the voice acting was solid for the most part.
I kinda wanted the music to have more presence,but it was cool.
The firefights were awesome,but since Rooster Teeth worked on this,there is still potential for the fight scenes go even more bonkers,like RWBY.
Some of the dialogue was a bit repetitive,but the characters still feel like themselves.
The show conveys really well the opressive atmosphere of the situation the Autobots are in.
More Elita is always good.
If they play their cards well,Optimus can have a really nice character arc,of overcoming his flaws.
I liked that Starscream was ambitious,but smart enough to not defy Megatron.I just wish that Starscream's voice actors to tone down a bit their Chris Latta impression.

Really looking foward to see how they tie this all together,with Earthrise and Kingdom!

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ZeroWolf wrote:This is a good take on things. Would we have gotten shows like Beast Wars and Animated if the creatives had listened to the fans? We have to allow for people to try their own spin, that's how innovation works. There's also the problem of which fans do you listen to? I'd say were all Transformers fans yet we all have wildly different views! Only thing people can seem to agree on is that the voice direction needs a lot of work.

I think it goes to say that while fan feedback should be noted to avoid mistakes, at the same time you should never let the fans "write" the show or take too big of a role in involvement, it can be as much as a detriment as it can be a help.

Because fans can be quite fickle, it's impossible to make something that will satisfy everyone because each individual has their own very specific taste.

Exactly :)

I agree too.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Counterpunch » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:22 am

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Who else was waiting for Magnus to either slip out of his armor to escape being strung up or pop out of it after being "killed"?

Cause that would have been great.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Quantum Surge » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:24 am

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Had he slipped out of his armor part of me would expect at least one joke where people call him Albino Prime or they say something about him "streaking" in the war given how his armor works.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:25 am

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Quantum Surge wrote:Had he slipped out of his armor part of me would expect at least one joke where people call him Albino Prime or they say something about him "streaking" in the war given how his armor works.
Jokes? In this totally super serious show? Surely your jest! :P
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:32 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Who else was waiting for Magnus to either slip out of his armor to escape being strung up or pop out of it after being "killed"?

Cause that would have been great.
I was waiting for that as well while he was being tortured. Perfect opportunity to advertise the toy. However, after Megatron shot him it became a moot point, seeing as how he blew a hole clear through Magnus, the armor and inner body as well. He was dead. What a waste of a character. As many references as they made to Alpha Trion, I thought it would have been more fitting if the show started with killing him, as it would have negated character development for a figure we never got and it still would have established Megatron's ruthlessness.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:44 pm

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I've yet to actually give my proper thoughts about this show, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like I should first give a re-watch to a few episodes of Cyberverse Season 1 to make a comparison before doing so since this show tells basically the same story as some of the flashbacks seen in that show's first season.

Essentially, this show's story is not an original one. Its main story beats of the Autobots first sending away the AllSpark via a Space Bridge and then leaving Cybertron aboard the Ark also via a Space Bridge are both lifted wholecloth from the Binder of Revelation, which told the lore and general history of the main Aligned Continuity, and which was also used for Cyberverse to tell its own lore and history but run through a more G1-ish filter.

This show's story is basically just another interpretation of those same two story beats but run not only through a G1-ish filter (er, that is, a different kind of G1-ish filter than that of Cyberverse) but also through a filter of grim bleakness.

And, well, I would be remiss not to alo mention the fact that the AllSpark being sent away from Cybertron was first introduced in the 2007 movie and its tie-in media, and then the fact that Animated added the Space Bridge part to the mix as well. But, the Binder is what first grouped all of these elements together.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby TulioDude » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:31 pm

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Megatron voice reminded me of Corey Burton's Animated Megatron performace.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby metalogan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:28 am

Any way we can get a poll going? I posted a few criticisms on this - In fact did a whole Youtube review ( Link below ) and some guy on Facebook tells me that "most of youtube and facebook love this show and you are in the minority for hating on it " . This was after I just pointed out about 20 to 25 major flaws and expressed that I did not have time to hate what I came to expect from the likes of Hasbro and Netflix.

But I'd like to know what actual fans ( and not facebook folks ) think

Overall, I gave this a barely passing D as an objective criticism based on production, acting, writing, animation, realism, verisimilitude ONCE I gave up trying to believe it to be a prequel. But I would argue that it's not a bad thing to "Like " it. It was meticulously crafted in a short amount of time. At least it feels that way. But I also felt like I've seen this formula for "nostalgia" properties. It goes something like this

1. get a group of 20 somethings to cram info for a week and write a script in a weekend
2. if it's netflix then make sure it is budget-friendly production so skimp on the music budget, the actor budget, the animation budget - make it semi-passable and throw in filters and loud noises to distract the viewer .
3. promote all current products (toys) make sure it meets the deadline to coincide with the toyline
4. Focus on the Familiar things and names for branding ( "look its OPTIMUS PRIME" - rinse repeat )
5. do a bit of fan service to keep the older ones happy ( dialogue dialogue "VELOCITRON" dialogue ) and for youtubers to make top 10 things you missed videos to help promote the show.
6. Make it dark and gritty and tough because that'ss what attracts 14 year olds and older fans.....we think
7. Convince viewers its the franchise you know and its part of the story line . Okay we'll call it a prequel ( Just like Star Trek Discovery ! )

Then again. I could be completely WRONG or OFF about all this.

Anyway I'd like to see a poll happen if there isn't one already. I'd like to see what most, actual, fans think.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Quantum Surge » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:07 am

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metalogan wrote:Any way we can get a poll going? I posted a few criticisms on this - In fact did a whole Youtube review ( Link below ) and some guy on Facebook tells me that "most of youtube and facebook love this show and you are in the minority for hating on it " . This was after I just pointed out about 20 to 25 major flaws and expressed that I did not have time to hate what I came to expect from the likes of Hasbro and Netflix.

But I'd like to know what actual fans ( and not facebook folks ) think

Overall, I gave this a barely passing D as an objective criticism based on production, acting, writing, animation, realism, verisimilitude ONCE I gave up trying to believe it to be a prequel. But I would argue that it's not a bad thing to "Like " it. It was meticulously crafted in a short amount of time. At least it feels that way. But I also felt like I've seen this formula for "nostalgia" properties. It goes something like this

1. get a group of 20 somethings to cram info for a week and write a script in a weekend
2. if it's netflix then make sure it is budget-friendly production so skimp on the music budget, the actor budget, the animation budget - make it semi-passable and throw in filters and loud noises to distract the viewer .
3. promote all current products (toys) make sure it meets the deadline to coincide with the toyline
4. Focus on the Familiar things and names for branding ( "look its OPTIMUS PRIME" - rinse repeat )
5. do a bit of fan service to keep the older ones happy ( dialogue dialogue "VELOCITRON" dialogue ) and for youtubers to make top 10 things you missed videos to help promote the show.
6. Make it dark and gritty and tough because that'ss what attracts 14 year olds and older fans.....we think
7. Convince viewers its the franchise you know and its part of the story line . Okay we'll call it a prequel ( Just like Star Trek Discovery ! )

Then again. I could be completely WRONG or OFF about all this.

Anyway I'd like to see a poll happen if there isn't one already. I'd like to see what most, actual, fans think.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:45 am

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metalogan wrote:ONCE I gave up trying to believe it to be a prequel.
A prequel to what? Certainly not the 1984 cartoon. It was never going to be a prequel to that or to anything that wasn't Chapter 2: Earthrise and Chapter 3: Kingdom.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby metalogan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:12 am

I believe it was F.J. De Santo ( guy with beard ) who said it would be a "prequel" which suggests that it would be canonical, similarly to how BADROBOT suggested that Star Trek Discovery was part of the same canon of the original series
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:19 am

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metalogan wrote:I believe it was F.J. De Santo ( guy with beard ) who said it would be a "prequel" which suggests that it would be canonical, similarly to how BADROBOT suggested that Star Trek Discovery was part of the same canon of the original series
And as discussed several pages back, that statement of his was riddled with corporate confusion and misunderstanding.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby metalogan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:38 am

Sorry I arrived late to the party.

Well, the usage of the term "prequel" could very well be ( and more than likely is ) intentional in order to provide enticement to those that are in the 35 to 45 demographic that have a vague familiarity with the series.While being coy and deceptive, they can work their way around for the purpose of marketing. They could very easily have called it a "prelude to (yet another ) G1 reboot " but that doesn't sound as exciting as " It's a Prequel to the g1 universe!!!!! " After the initial trailer, I was getting calls from my "non-transformers fan" friends that were familiar with the property and they were showing excitement as well. They'd say " DUDE - The original transformers are coming back !!!! Aren't you like a big fan?! " and before I say anything " I heard it was a prequel from the original show ! "

That there , was the effect they were more than likely going for. Which, may have, perhaps, worked.



Again, I'm late to the party but I also just found out that De Santo wrote the "michinima " series. Interesting .
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Postby Deadput » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:45 pm

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And this was way better then the Machinima series.

It's still not a "great" show by all means but I at least found it entertaining despite my few criticisms.


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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:05 pm

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metalogan wrote:4. Focus on the Familiar things and names for branding ( "look its OPTIMUS PRIME" - rinse repeat )
5. do a bit of fan service to keep the older ones happy ( dialogue dialogue "VELOCITRON" dialogue ) and for youtubers to make top 10 things you missed videos to help promote the show.



These two will keep happening, unfortunately. Until someone new takes charge and puts 'G1' to bed. We'll get nothing new or creative from Transformers anymore, until that day.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby metalogan » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:18 pm

Yeah there's alot of what of what people consider to be g1 an canonical

I consider the Sunbow Cartoon and Beastwars/Beastmachines to be part of the same Canonical timeline - which was implied. I like to pretend that Headmasters is part of that if I omit season 4.. but that's just for fun.

I would also consider generation 2 to be part of "filler " canon even though its not. I see it as a possible "phase" post season 4 - perhaps taking place around this time ( 2020 )

I would be curious about what happened after g1, g2, and before beastwars in the Sunbow/Beastwars universe. I would actually love a g2 mini series , then a "G3" before beastwars . It would also be great to see what happens AFTER beast machines. I don't see a reason to go back and why we feel compelled to get the "back story" or the "prequel" especially if we know what's going to happen. Unless there are interesting twists and turns then it doesn't need to be told. I blame George Lucas for this of course. Can our imaginations no longer fill that void??? Again I'm more interested in what we don't know.
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Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:24 pm

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metalogan wrote:Yeah there's alot of what of what people consider to be g1 an canonical

I consider the Sunbow Cartoon and Beastwars/Beastmachines to be part of the same Canonical timeline - which was implied. I like to pretend that Headmasters is part of that if I omit season 4.. but that's just for fun.

I would also consider generation 2 to be part of "filler " canon even though its not. I see it as a possible "phase" post season 4 - perhaps taking place around this time ( 2020 )

I would be curious about what happened after g1, g2, and before beastwars in the Sunbow/Beastwars universe. I would actually love a g2 mini series , then a "G3" before beastwars . It would also be great to see what happens AFTER beast machines. I don't see a reason to go back and why we feel compelled to get the "back story" or the "prequel" especially if we know what's going to happen. Unless there are interesting twists and turns then it doesn't need to be told. I blame George Lucas for this of course. Can our imaginations no longer fill that void??? Again I'm more interested in what we don't know.
There's a lot of extra story material out there that is set in those nebulous points in time you describe, but they pertain only to specific versions of continuities such as the Japanese version of G1/BW or the BotCon versions of G1/BW, since there's no all-encompassing G1/BW continuity that exists with everything in it.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Quantum Surge » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:26 pm

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I could do fine without any explanations on what happens before the events of Beast Wars. On topic with WFC, I'm curious as to how Kingdom will handle the Beasties since they won't likely be from the exact same show.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby metalogan » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:09 pm

for one, they will be the same size as autobots and decepticons based on some of the toy leaks- I wonder if that will be addressed
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby metalogan » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:20 pm

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metalogan wrote:Yeah there's alot of what of what people consider to be g1 an canonical

I consider the Sunbow Cartoon and Beastwars/Beastmachines to be part of the same Canonical timeline - which was implied. I like to pretend that Headmasters is part of that if I omit season 4.. but that's just for fun.

I would also consider generation 2 to be part of "filler " canon even though its not. I see it as a possible "phase" post season 4 - perhaps taking place around this time ( 2020 )

I would be curious about what happened after g1, g2, and before beastwars in the Sunbow/Beastwars universe. I would actually love a g2 mini series , then a "G3" before beastwars . It would also be great to see what happens AFTER beast machines. I don't see a reason to go back and why we feel compelled to get the "back story" or the "prequel" especially if we know what's going to happen. Unless there are interesting twists and turns then it doesn't need to be told. I blame George Lucas for this of course. Can our imaginations no longer fill that void??? Again I'm more interested in what we don't know.
There's a lot of extra story material out there that is set in those nebulous points in time you describe, but they pertain only to specific versions of continuities such as the Japanese version of G1/BW or the BotCon versions of G1/BW, since there's no all-encompassing G1/BW continuity that exists with everything in it.



This is true - I did enjoy the Funpub rendition the most. I suppose Japan BWN /BW2 was an interesting take. Not my favorite, but I did like certain elements like the Prime Council concept. Then again Japan's G1 continuity is definitely not for everyone that would be staunch fans of the g1 sunbow. I , personally, fantasize about an ongoing sunbow continuity which is probably best left to fantasy at this point - Beastwars was so distant so one could connect and make parallels to the original sunbow continuity without reading too much in between the lines; however, there are things like Starscream's ghost to which I could grasp at straws and argue that his spark traverses both space and time within the same continuity. I also imagine a Transformers Season 5 with all the fallen Maximals and Predacons resurrected and reformatted on Earth in 2015 - but then you'll get into too many time travel messes when you discuss the existence of their future selves and if they'd try to prevent the events of Beastwars from ever happening .
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:22 pm

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metalogan wrote:for one, they will be the same size as autobots and decepticons based on some of the toy leaks- I wonder if that will be addressed
Probably not.

I doubt the size difference is even something that most people outside of the hardcore fans even remember or keep in mind on an active level.

Plus, both POTP Optimus Primal and Cyberverse Cheetor were Autobot-sized in their respective cartoons, so the same will probably the case for this show too.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby TulioDude » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:04 pm

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Cyberverse gives me hope that they can do Beast Wars characters right,alongside the other versions.

There is a lot of room to grow for this series,but nothing unwatchable.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy CARTOON Series Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:16 pm

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TulioDude wrote:Cyberverse gives me hope that they can do Beast Wars characters right,alongside the other versions.

There is a lot of room to grow for this series,but nothing unwatchable.
Yeah, but the people who made Cyberverse and the people who made this show aren't the same people.
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