The Energon Pub

I still think Jetfire was the worst. He took a noticeably deep breath before each and every sentence. Dude was tired of Starscream's crap, literally.

I took a listen to Thew's earlier today, he basically summed it all up nicely for me. And he perfectly shows the slow talking and how much extra wasted time it adds (right around the 9-10 minute markup)

Sabrblade wrote:

TulioDude wrote:Cyberverse gives me hope that they can do Beast Wars characters right,alongside the other versions.

There is a lot of room to grow for this series,but nothing unwatchable.

Yeah, but the people who made Cyberverse and the people who made this show aren't the same people.

In my opinion,not so long,the idea of Beasty Wars characters appearing in modern stories was not exciting as it could be,because they were not an priority next to the rest of the cast.Cyberverse gives hope,because it shows that the Beast Era characters can matter in the series.
Personally for time,it seemed that nobody really could "get" the beast characters.I'm glad to see it's not like that.

I made my own review of Siege so far in my blog (which I should have shared much sooner). I'm kinda positive some would probably get lost in the paragraphs I wrote, but I might revise my review to make it easier to understand if it's something you guys mention. In the meantime, I've got some unhappy thoughts with Siege.

https://quantumsurge.blogspot.com/2020/08/transformers-war-for-cybertron-chapter.html

So far i've only seen season 1 and its great for a betflix series.
But i'm wondering, has Brunt made an appearance as footsoldier or character yet?

Rogue-Primal wrote:So far i've only seen season 1 and its great for a betflix series.
But i'm wondering, has Brunt made an appearance as footsoldier or character yet?

He has not in the show nope.

There is only season 1 right now.

Show was OK, probably enjoyed it a bit more after coming from a dull wild filler episode of cyberverse.

Didn't see anything wrong with clone wave letting cog through if it was just a set up anyways. Some plot holes/inconsistent story with impactor. A bit too much all spark crap as always, something that most transformers shows can and do well with out.

As for the voice acting, elita one seemed to be doing Windblade impersonations but her voice acting was one of the better ones in the show. Maybe because she sounds familiar to me from the video games I've been playing recently. Megatron was fine-his lips were a bit off putting though, would be nice if they can change the way they are animated for series 2. Also the chest stretching others have mentioned looked pretty bad.

blackeyedprime wrote:Show was OK, probably enjoyed it a bit more after coming from a dull wild filler episode of cyberverse.

Didn't see anything wrong with clone wave letting cog through if it was just a set up anyways. Some plot holes/inconsistent story with impactor. A bit too much all spark crap as always, something that most transformers shows can and do well with out.

As for the voice acting, elita one seemed to be doing Windblade impersonations but her voice acting was one of the better ones in the show. Maybe because she sounds familiar to me from the video games I've been playing recently. Megatron was fine-his lips were a bit off putting though, would be nice if they can change the way they are animated for series 2. Also the chest stretching others have mentioned looked pretty bad.

I didn't like the fact that Jetfire and Impactor were both assigned to the Decepticons. Did the writers mistake the purple wreckers insignia on Impactor for a Decepticon.

Also i don't like how Optimus has been written as a leader who barely has chance against Megatron in all their 1 on 1 fights in this series so far. It's like the base idea for Optimus Prime usual strength was nerfed.

Impactor and Jetfire were on the con side because:

Jetfire- in original G1 toon, he was a friend of Starscreams before the war, hence why he joined their side when he waz revived (also whh the toy has the faction change ginmick). So they went into more depth on him siding with the cons but changing into a bot.

Impactor- the idea behind his and mirages two pack Siege fan poll set was that mirage brings Impactor round to joining the Autobots. While that doesn't happen in the Cartoon, the same thing happens. In IDW 1 it also established that Impactor was friends with Megatron when he was a miner.

Rogue-Primal wrote:Also i don't like how Optimus has been written as a leader who barely has chance against Megatron in all their 1 on 1 fights in this series so far. It's like the base idea for Optimus Prime usual strength was nerfed.

To be honest I quite liked that. The [plot armour] strength that Prime has had in most depictions doesn't really make any sense within the logic of a given continuity.

Most G1 interpretations, Megatron is a miner/gladiator. Because of this, he is traditionally a far more capable and cunning fighter than any depiction of Prime. It also influences his worldview and informs the reader on his personality. He should be very strong and durable.

So how do you justify Prime being his physical equal?? WFC quite rightly says "You don't."

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rogue-Primal wrote:Also i don't like how Optimus has been written as a leader who barely has chance against Megatron in all their 1 on 1 fights in this series so far. It's like the base idea for Optimus Prime usual strength was nerfed.

To be honest I quite liked that. The [plot armour] strength that Prime has had in most depictions doesn't really make any sense within the logic of a given continuity.

Most G1 interpretations, Megatron is a miner/gladiator. Because of this, he is traditionally a far more capable and cunning fighter than any depiction of Prime. It also influences his worldview and informs the reader on his personality. He should be very strong and durable.

So how do you justify Prime being his physical equal?? WFC quite rightly says "You don't."

He receive it from the matrix usually which is miraculous.One part of a misery porn is to have no hero to look up.

Miraculous hero or misery porn,the balance seems abandoned these days.

I think Animated did it best. The Autobots gradually improved as fighters as the story progressed. By their very ethos, the Decepticons should always have the upper hand in strength and firepower.

The Civil War between the Autobots and Decepticons is supposed to last millions of years. Having one side utterly out think and over power the other - the bizarre way G1 (aside from The Movie) and Bayformers portrayed the Autobots - only highlights how few TF writers appreciate a logical balance should exist. Otherwise the conflict doesn't make sense.

Sabrblade wrote:Only Hot Rod gets the power boost from the Matrix because he's its Chosen One.

Optimus even admitted in the 1986 movie that he was never worthy to begin with back when he first got the Matrix.

The first serie was done with no rigor,it happen with recent stuff as well.

Rogue-Primal wrote:
I didn't like the fact that Jetfire and Impactor were both assigned to the Decepticons. Did the writers mistake the purple wreckers insignia on Impactor for a Decepticon.

Kinda the same on jetfire. At least g1 he was tricked/didn't understand the factions but wfc he is a decepticon in charge of a murder squad and then has problems with murdering unarmed prisoners.

Sabrblade wrote:Only Hot Rod gets the power boost from the Matrix because he's its Chosen One.

Optimus even admitted in the 1986 movie that he was never worthy to begin with back when he first got the Matrix.

And yet in that movie he tossed Megatron at least 2 yards before he was going back for his rifle. and in the Marvel comics he was able to knock back a Matrix possessed/powered Thunderwing (he only had it for 4 days if i'm right)in a non matrix powered power master form.

The only other major versions of optimus primes that i'm familiar with know where Prime has been lacking in physical power are

Transformers: Energon (he just used laser spam mostly)
Transformers: Animated

Sabrblade wrote:

Rogue-Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Only Hot Rod gets the power boost from the Matrix because he's its Chosen One.

Optimus even admitted in the 1986 movie that he was never worthy to begin with back when he first got the Matrix.

And yet in that movie he tossed Megatron at least 2 yards before he was going back for his rifle. and in the Marvel comics he was able to knock back a Matrix possessed/powered Thunderwing (he only had it for 4 days if i'm right)in a non matrix powered power master form.

Both of those Optimus Primes were at later points in their lives than this one, at which points they had grown stronger and better from experience.

That might be what i'm forgetting. I just hope this Optimus starts showing better feats soon than just commander throwing a "allspark football" and using tactics.

Optimus should always be at the very least "slightly" weaker then Megatron.

You lose tension otherwise when one is never afraid for Optimus and in doing so it makes Megatron a worse antagonist because nobody will be convinced he's an actual threat.

My view personally is that in physical combat Megatron should be more about brute strength while Optimus is more dexterity/agility, this is just for physical ability not mentality.

I've always been of the opinion that Optimus Prime should slightly edge out Megatron. If Megatron is a 9.7 in terms of physical strength, Optimus should be a 9.9. Of course that's when all the other X factors come into play. Optimus strategy, and honor vs Megatron's deceitfulness, and dirty tactics.

Other versions in other continuities are fine. Megatron was a heck of a lot stronger in the Unicron Trilogy etc... But for the original Transformers, most of the Autobots were smaller and weaker than all the Decepticons "We aren't fighters like they are" to quote Huffer. Which is why Optimus stood as a symbol of hope and strength. No matter how strong the Decepticons are, if the "strongest" bot is on your side, you are inspired to fight on. Of course this is not withstanding later additions to the Autobots strength such as the Dinobots or Omega Supreme.

Goign another direction...has there been any news on where season 2 stands. Is it being written, directed, animated, post production? Many shows of this type are able to add a new season to Netflix about every 6 months. But I know this is a unique situation, and not sure if the pandemic has slowed things down. It would be nice to see earthrise somewhere around Jan/Feb, then Kingdom Aug/Sept of 21.

Deadput wrote:You lose tension otherwise when one is never afraid for Optimus and in doing so it makes Megatron a worse antagonist because nobody will be convinced he's an actual threat.

I think that horse has left the barn. Throughout all the continuities, Optimus has almost always won in the end. Even if he himself didn't kill (or at least defeat) Megatron, he was involved somehow. The closest to Megatron winning they ever came was TF:TM, and even then Megatron couldn't be considered the winner, because had it not been for Unicron, he would have died. But I guess the other side of that coin is that had Starscream not thrown him out of Astrotrain, he might have survived. Point is, in pretty much every other instance, whether comics, cartoons or Bayverse, Prime wins. Except the last IDW story, but that doesn't really count because the 2 didn't interact much. So by now us fans are preconditioned to expect Prime to win in every new story, and for the purposes of selling toys, I don't think that will change.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Deadput wrote:You lose tension otherwise when one is never afraid for Optimus and in doing so it makes Megatron a worse antagonist because nobody will be convinced he's an actual threat.

I think that horse has left the barn. Throughout all the continuities, Optimus has almost always won in the end. Even if he himself didn't kill (or at least defeat) Megatron, he was involved somehow. The closest to Megatron winning they ever came was TF:TM, and even then Megatron couldn't be considered the winner, because had it not been for Unicron, he would have died. But I guess the other side of that coin is that had Starscream not thrown him out of Astrotrain, he might have survived. Point is, in pretty much every other instance, whether comics, cartoons or Bayverse, Prime wins. Except the last IDW story, but that doesn't really count because the 2 didn't interact much. So by now us fans are preconditioned to expect Prime to win in every new story, and for the purposes of selling toys, I don't think that will change.

It's not about Megatron winning or heroes not winning the day, it's about making the victory look convincing and fought for.

I'll never expect Megatron to ever win but I always want him to put up a good fight and there to be some sort of stakes.