First-Aid wrote:Bumblethumper wrote:You seriously don't think the movie was in the slightest bit lame? Bumblebee pisses on someone!! Remember all those stupid scenes with the 'hackers'?! How about that soldier guy and his brilliant plan about hiding the cube in the city?
OK...I will counter with: a human's "mind" transferred into a robot body; an alien planet brought into Earth orbit without ripping BOTH planets; a human-made ninja robot; Constructicons being built on earth but existing on Cybertron. Looking back, G1 was kinda lame and cheesy too. Not that it isn't nostalgic fun...Bumblethumper wrote:But my point is - so what? It doesn't have to be the be all and end all of Transformers.
Agreed...Transformers is an ongoing franchise- changing every few years to accomodate the tastes of the current target audience. The movie seems to have hit the target audience (ages 6-13) hard, fast, and continuously. I see a LOT more kids shopping the TF aisle now than I did before.Bumblethumper wrote:When I say G1 movie, my meaning isn't going to be exactly the same as what the next G1 fan thinks. I don't think anyone would want something 100% faithful. But they could be respectful. They could keep the stuff that works.
The sales numbers for G1 in the US dropped almost 70% by the middle of the G1 line in 1987, leading to the eventual reinvention as G2...As much as we all (including myself...I have over 200 G1 toys still today) enjoyed G1, it was time to move on. Transformers evolved...some people don't like it, but we have no choice. The tastes of kids have changed over the years...the movie was a new imagining; TF:A is a new imagining. Time and tech changes all things. But the one thing to remember is that, by 1987, G1 didn't work for the majority anymore. however, they DID keep some stuff that works. Cybertron. Autobots vs. Decepticons. Megatron vs. Optimus Prime. Robots in Disguise. Giant F---ing robots.
Bumblethumper wrote: and at the very least it has cemented the position of Transformers in the popular culture and was popular enough to ensure the continuation of Transformers for many years to come.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:I am curious about what you think didn't work in the movie? I think that the effects were darn close to perfect. Of the bots themselves, the one I really didn't like much was Frenzy- not because of the design, which I thought was creative and new- but because of him being so "quirky". Other than that the bots themselves were cool.
PaskyTheLad wrote:it wasn't G1, but hey, at least they're not ruining G1 by using it.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote: Let the next generation have THEIR Transformers.
Sledge wrote:Did I expect them to redo G1? No. Of course not. The Transformers is a frachise that has existed in a state of change since it's inception. Hell, what do you mean by G1 anyway? Season 1 of the cartoon? Season 2? God forbid, Season 3? The Budiansky Marvel Comics? The Furman comics?
What I would have liked to see was a movie written by someone with more knowledge of Transformers than can be fitted on the back of an envelope. A movie that doesn't contain glaring plot holes. A movie that focuses on the titular characters people have paid to see, rather than a bunch of largely unknown actors reacting to blue screens. A movie directed by someone known for films that aren't retarded eye candy.
You know why Bayformers really disappointed me? Batman Begins. That film showed you can make a decent film that appeals to a mass audience, whilst still keeping the fanboys onboard by remaining true to the source material. Transformers was more like Batman and Robin. Throw a hot chick or two in and keep the gormless action going, and people will watch it. I really hoped we'd seen an end to that school of thought when adapting TV shows into movies.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Sledge wrote:The original Batman carried a gun and killed people, so Bats has changed quite a bit.
Sledge wrote:I'm happy to debate the point of whether they stayed true to the more modern version of the character (starting with how he was portrayed in the 70s), so what do you think they missed or changed about Bats/Bruce that strayed too far?
Sledge wrote:I didn't have a problem with Ra's, as the point of the film was always a more realistic take on the superhero movie. A centuries-old eco-terrorist would have been pushing the bounds of credibility for such a film.
,Sledge wrote:I don't really see how Fox was portrayed out of character with his comic persona
Sledge wrote:and Ducard is too minor a character to really care about. His use as Ra's alias was more of a fan wank than anything else.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Sledge wrote:What I would have liked to see was a movie written by someone with more knowledge of Transformers than can be fitted on the back of an envelope. A movie that doesn't contain glaring plot holes. A movie that focuses on the titular characters people have paid to see, rather than a bunch of largely unknown actors reacting to blue screens. A movie directed by someone known for films that aren't retarded eye candy.
Original Sin wrote:Its pretty cool, but Jesus Christ if it has anything to do with G1 you guys bite onto the bait that Hasbro throws out like you guys were dogs.
So the main change we're seeing is that comic Bats will go out of his way to save even criminals, whereas Batbale doesn't feel the need to protect criminals from the results of their own actions (I wonder if comic Bats would still bring criminals in if he knew they'd face the death penalty?). Whilst it's a change from the comics, I didn't feel it was an unreasonable one, and it's certainly a lot better than Tim Burton's costumed psychopath. Surely Bruce had been in the League headquarters long enough to know if there were other prisoners? There was nothing to suggest Ra's was running some sort of prison, so I don't think Bruce has too much blood on his hands. Yes, some of the League died (not least the fake Ra's), but they didn't have to stand and fight in a burning building. Clearly they weren't Star Trek fanssto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Well there's quite a few differences from the 70's Bats/Bruce to the modern version of the character that inclued things like Alfred not coming into the picture untill after the first Robin entered Bat's life and other differences that would take too long to point out so I'll just point out 2 major changes between the modern day Bats and the "Begins" Bats.
Modern day Bat's has a strict "No killing" policy.Begins Bat's while trying to make a point of not killing the crook in the cage starts a hudge fire that kill's a good number of the League of Shadows members and the man he believed to be Ra's al Ghul.And lets not go into the possibility that the League may have had other prisoners.
Sledge wrote:So the main change we're seeing is that comic Bats will go out of his way to save even criminals, whereas Batbale doesn't feel the need to protect criminals from the results of their own actions (I wonder if comic Bats would still bring criminals in if he knew they'd face the death penalty?).
Sledge wrote:Whilst it's a change from the comics, I didn't feel it was an unreasonable one, and it's certainly a lot better than Tim Burton's costumed psychopath.
Sledge wrote: Surely Bruce had been in the League headquarters long enough to know if there were other prisoners?
Sledge wrote:There was nothing to suggest Ra's was running some sort of prison,
Sledge wrote:so I don't think Bruce has too much blood on his hands.Yes, some of the League died (not least the fake Ra's), but they didn't have to stand and fight in a burning building.
.Sledge wrote:Clearly they weren't Star Trek fans
Sledge wrote:Thing is, Batman's origin story has never been set in stone apart from the bare bones of "Bruce Wayne's parents are killed in front of him as a child. He devotes his life to training and many years later fights crime while dressed as a bat." Batman Begins took elements from different stories and worked them into something that worked for the plot of the film. To come back to why I referenced it in the first place, it did exactly what Transformers didn't: stayed true to the heart of the character/s. Batbale isn't exactly the same as comic Bats, but they share the same trauma, the same passions and the same refusal to kill. Ra's in Begins isn't an immortal, but he is a terrorist whose motives we can sympathise with, but whose methods we despise.
In comparison, Transformers got a few incidental details right but missed the larger points. Ok, so Prime still transforms into a truck. But where's the contradiction within Prime that he is probably the finest Autobot warrior but doesn't want to fight? Missing this is, to me, like putting Christian Bale in an exact copy of comic Batman's costume, but then giving him a machine gun. It misses the point of the character, and misses what gives him such appeal.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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