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[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok

We need to be talking Trek up in this thread

Go ahead.......I'm waiting

[Wheeljack35]

Have you guys ever seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXnPG19npW8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Have you guys ever seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXnPG19npW8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4

I've seen the first one some time ago but the 2nd is new to me.........thanks

[Wheeljack35]

The 2nd isn't really the best but I won't fault an ammatuer on the editing

I actually have the second one up on my myspace page

[Just Negare]

I'm actually quite looking foward to this movie, since its another opportunity to go to the theatre on my lonesome and snort like a tremedous nerd.

I foudn it amusing though, while telling someone who's a "stubby short of a six pack", that the bad guy from Heroes season one was apparently cast as Mr. Spock, she replied "But Spock's not a bad guy"...

....

Hehehehe.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm actually quite looking foward to this movie, since its another opportunity to go to the theatre on my lonesome and snort like a tremedous nerd.

I foudn it amusing though, while telling someone who's a "stubby short of a six pack", that the bad guy from Heroes season one was apparently cast as Mr. Spock, she replied "But Spock's not a bad guy"...

....

Hehehehe.

That is funny.........you would think after all thistime people wouldnt have any problems separating the actor from the character.Or at least realizing that they are 2 different people.

[OptimusN1701]

Hey I just had a thought about the new movie and this history altering BS while I was talking to my fiancee

If Kirk doesnt board the Enterprise B and Sauron is rescued during her launch, then he would succeed with his plans on Viridian III since Kirk was integral in stopping him

So basically, Picard will end up in the Nexus, Viridian III will be destroyed w/ the D wull be obliterated after the crash
and Data, Riker, and the others will die.
it doesnt end here

When the Borg attack Earth, Picard wont be around to stop them.
So it can be assumed that Earth, and possibly the Federation, will then fall at the hands of the Borg

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Hey I just had a thought about the new movie and this history altering BS while I was talking to my fiancee

If Kirk doesnt board the Enterprise B and Sauron is rescued during her launch, then he would succeed with his plans on Viridian III since Kirk was integral in stopping him

So basically, Picard will end up in the Nexus, Viridian III will be destroyed w/ the D wull be obliterated after the crash
and Data, Riker, and the others will die.
it doesnt end here

When the Borg attack Earth, Picard wont be around to stop them.
So it can be assumed that Earth, and possibly the Federation, will then fall at the hands of the Borg

All of that is contingent on the fact that the universe's history will unfold in the same way that it did before.Theres no reason to assume that it will.Picard may never be born at all so there would have been no reason for us to meat the Borg when we did...remember it was Q that forced a early meating with them to scare Picard in the first place.
Nor is there any reason to assume that Kirk was the only person in the universe that could have saved the enterprise B.What if Sulo was there to see his daughter off instead?????
You cant keep assuming that if history's changed in a very big way that any of the events that have happened will unfold in the same or simular way at all.
For all we know some thing may still happen and others may not at all.Other people may fill the parts in some of the missions you mention if they happen again.Witch I doubt will.If they go trew the trouble to change history in the new movie....its because they want want to re-tell the Star Trek story and give us new stories.......why do all that if history and the future is already written?????

[OptimusN1701]

Hey I just had a thought about the new movie and this history altering BS while I was talking to my fiancee

If Kirk doesnt board the Enterprise B and Sauron is rescued during her launch, then he would succeed with his plans on Viridian III since Kirk was integral in stopping him

So basically, Picard will end up in the Nexus, Viridian III will be destroyed w/ the D wull be obliterated after the crash
and Data, Riker, and the others will die.
it doesnt end here

When the Borg attack Earth, Picard wont be around to stop them.
So it can be assumed that Earth, and possibly the Federation, will then fall at the hands of the Borg

All of that is contingent on the fact that the universe's history will unfold in the same way that it did before.Theres no reason to assume that it will.Picard may never be born at all so there would have been no reason for us to meat the Borg when we did...remember it was Q that forced a early meating with them to scare Picard in the first place.
Nor is there any reason to assume that Kirk was the only person in the universe that could have saved the enterprise B.What if Sulo was there to see his daughter off instead?????
You cant keep assuming that if history's changed in a very big way that any of the events that have happened will unfold in the same or simular way at all.
For all we know some thing may still happen and others may not at all.Other people may fill the parts in some of the missions you mention if they happen again.Witch I doubt will.If they go trew the trouble to change history in the new movie....its because they want want to re-tell the Star Trek story and give us new stories.......why do all that if history and the future is already written?????

Good points all of them

However, Starfleet still knew about the Borg before Picard's encounter. This is substantiated by Enterprise ( I have having to reference that show for facts) Cause if u recall Regeneration tied it all together. So in my mind a Borg attack would be inevitable.

I will personally boycott Star Trek if they do indeed change history. There are more ways of telling new tales than having to re-write history because you are being lazy

Imagine how many Star Wars fans would be pissed if Lucas made a new film that erased the 6. I would expect nothing less from us or our fellow Trek fans

Why couldnt they just make a movie based in the near or distant Trek future? I still think a movie centered around Sulu in the post TMP to pre-TNG era would have been the better course to go.

Im still gonna hope that at the end of this film that if Kirk is tipped off to the B incedent he will still go ahead with it as it would be the heroic thing to do and I personally believe it would be in Kirk's character to go through with it

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Hey I just had a thought about the new movie and this history altering BS while I was talking to my fiancee

If Kirk doesnt board the Enterprise B and Sauron is rescued during her launch, then he would succeed with his plans on Viridian III since Kirk was integral in stopping him

So basically, Picard will end up in the Nexus, Viridian III will be destroyed w/ the D wull be obliterated after the crash
and Data, Riker, and the others will die.
it doesnt end here

When the Borg attack Earth, Picard wont be around to stop them.
So it can be assumed that Earth, and possibly the Federation, will then fall at the hands of the Borg

All of that is contingent on the fact that the universe's history will unfold in the same way that it did before.Theres no reason to assume that it will.Picard may never be born at all so there would have been no reason for us to meat the Borg when we did...remember it was Q that forced a early meating with them to scare Picard in the first place.
Nor is there any reason to assume that Kirk was the only person in the universe that could have saved the enterprise B.What if Sulo was there to see his daughter off instead?????
You cant keep assuming that if history's changed in a very big way that any of the events that have happened will unfold in the same or simular way at all.
For all we know some thing may still happen and others may not at all.Other people may fill the parts in some of the missions you mention if they happen again.Witch I doubt will.If they go trew the trouble to change history in the new movie....its because they want want to re-tell the Star Trek story and give us new stories.......why do all that if history and the future is already written?????

Good points all of them

However, Starfleet still knew about the Borg before Picard's encounter. This is substantiated by Enterprise ( I have having to reference that show for facts) Cause if u recall Regeneration tied it all together. So in my mind a Borg attack would be inevitable.

I will personally boycott Star Trek if they do indeed change history. There are more ways of telling new tales than having to re-write history because you are being lazy

Imagine how many Star Wars fans would be pissed if Lucas made a new film that erased the 6. I would expect nothing less from us or our fellow Trek fans

Why couldnt they just make a movie based in the near or distant Trek future? I still think a movie centered around Sulu in the post TMP to pre-TNG era would have been the better course to go.

Im still gonna hope that at the end of this film that if Kirk is tipped off to the B incedent he will still go ahead with it as it would be the heroic thing to do and I personally believe it would be in Kirk's character to go through with it

your making the same mistake again.........your over looking the Paradox in the issue.Much like Picard was in the last episode of TNG "All Good Things".

I'm not meening any disrespect with the following:
Open you mind a little and see all of the issues as math equations.
If a person from the current ST time line [Picard Sisko era] goes back in time to Kirks day and changes history to the degree that Picard does not incounter the Borg when he did or if Picard is never born as I suggested might be possible, then the changes in the time stream would not only effect the future of Star Trek's history but also its past.So if Picard nevers meets the Borg trew Q then their would not have been a first Borg attack at wolf 359 nor would there be a 2nd attack that led to the timetraveling events of First Contact and there would have been no Borg in the past to have any refence for Starfleat to have.
Just like the spacial thingie in All good things the changes caused to the timestream continue to effect not only the future but also how the future effected the past.

Now just to let you know even in the episode "Regeneration" of Enterprise, Starfleat has no idea what the Borg are.Archer knows because his father worked with Zefram Cochrane in his later years and had been told what he considered a drunken story about killer cyborges from the future that tryed to interfere with his first warp flight.And even by the end of the episode Archer and crew were no closer to finding out any real info on them that could be considered usefull to Starfleat in the future.

[OptimusN1701]

Hey I just had a thought about the new movie and this history altering BS while I was talking to my fiancee

If Kirk doesnt board the Enterprise B and Sauron is rescued during her launch, then he would succeed with his plans on Viridian III since Kirk was integral in stopping him

So basically, Picard will end up in the Nexus, Viridian III will be destroyed w/ the D wull be obliterated after the crash
and Data, Riker, and the others will die.
it doesnt end here

When the Borg attack Earth, Picard wont be around to stop them.
So it can be assumed that Earth, and possibly the Federation, will then fall at the hands of the Borg

All of that is contingent on the fact that the universe's history will unfold in the same way that it did before.Theres no reason to assume that it will.Picard may never be born at all so there would have been no reason for us to meat the Borg when we did...remember it was Q that forced a early meating with them to scare Picard in the first place.
Nor is there any reason to assume that Kirk was the only person in the universe that could have saved the enterprise B.What if Sulo was there to see his daughter off instead?????
You cant keep assuming that if history's changed in a very big way that any of the events that have happened will unfold in the same or simular way at all.
For all we know some thing may still happen and others may not at all.Other people may fill the parts in some of the missions you mention if they happen again.Witch I doubt will.If they go trew the trouble to change history in the new movie....its because they want want to re-tell the Star Trek story and give us new stories.......why do all that if history and the future is already written?????

Good points all of them

However, Starfleet still knew about the Borg before Picard's encounter. This is substantiated by Enterprise ( I have having to reference that show for facts) Cause if u recall Regeneration tied it all together. So in my mind a Borg attack would be inevitable.

I will personally boycott Star Trek if they do indeed change history. There are more ways of telling new tales than having to re-write history because you are being lazy

Imagine how many Star Wars fans would be pissed if Lucas made a new film that erased the 6. I would expect nothing less from us or our fellow Trek fans

Why couldnt they just make a movie based in the near or distant Trek future? I still think a movie centered around Sulu in the post TMP to pre-TNG era would have been the better course to go.

Im still gonna hope that at the end of this film that if Kirk is tipped off to the B incedent he will still go ahead with it as it would be the heroic thing to do and I personally believe it would be in Kirk's character to go through with it

your making the same mistake again.........your over looking the Paradox in the issue.Much like Picard was in the last episode of TNG "All Good Things".

I'm not meening any disrespect with the following:
Open you mind a little and see all of the issues as math equations.
If a person from the current ST time line [Picard Sisko era] goes back in time to Kirks day and changes history to the degree that Picard does not incounter the Borg when he did or if Picard is never born as I suggested might be possible, then the changes in the time stream would not only effect the future of Star Trek's history but also its past.So if Picard nevers meets the Borg trew Q then their would not have been a first Borg attack at wolf 359 nor would there be a 2nd attack that led to the timetraveling events of First Contact and there would have been no Borg in the past to have any refence for Starfleat to have.
Just like the spacial thingie in All good things the changes caused to the timestream continue to effect not only the future but also how the future effected the past.

Now just to let you know even in the episode "Regeneration" of Enterprise, Starfleat has no idea what the Borg are.Archer knows because his father worked with Zefram Cochrane in his later years and had been told what he considered a drunken story about killer cyborges from the future that tryed to interfere with his first warp flight.And even by the end of the episode Archer and crew were no closer to finding out any real info on them that could be considered usefull to Starfleat in the future.

Ok, I do get what you are saying now about the time paradox
I still say that many Trek fans, myself included, may end up taking up arms because of this film. Though I hope that wont be necessary

Back to the Borg. Given the events of Voyager and TNG The Neutral Zone, Starfleet did have knowledge of the Borg at least 10 years before Q instigated Picard's contact with them(VOY: Raven) given that 7 of 9's parents were sent by Starfleet to study them
So God only knows what would have happened with them
I do think that they would have attacked eventually if Q hadnt meddled in humanity's affairs, and perhaps the Federation would have been better suited to combat them

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok, I do get what you are saying now about the time paradox
I still say that many Trek fans, myself included, may end up taking up arms because of this film. Though I hope that wont be necessary

Back to the Borg. Given the events of Voyager and TNG The Neutral Zone, Starfleet did have knowledge of the Borg at least 10 years before Q instigated Picard's contact with them(VOY: Raven) given that 7 of 9's parents were sent by Starfleet to study them
So God only knows what would have happened with them
I do think that they would have attacked eventually if Q hadnt meddled in humanity's affairs, and perhaps the Federation would have been better suited to combat them

Whens the last time you saw that Voyeger episode with 7's parents.They were not sent by Star Fleet to study the Borg.....they were exobiologists that worked for the federation concil not starfleat.They were folowing rumerse about a race of cyborgs that they heard about and ventured out to find out more about them.They never reproted their finds about what name for the race that they uncovered because they were ordered to return to federation space just before they came upond the information.

As for wether they would have attacked eventually if Q had not interferied.....I would have to say that they wouldnt have.The Borg only assimulate that witch is uniqe and different about a race ether biologlicly or technologicly....they already had 7's parents and 7 so they knew that biologlicly they didnt have much to offer....they also had a sample of Federation Tech and werent impressed enough to launch an attack untill Q's medleing witch was about 20 years later.Its safe to assume that Q putting the enterprise in a posions that it should have taken them at least 11 years to get to peeked the Borgs intrest when they scaned the data banks in engerniring.Their intrest was further peeked when they disapeard in a flash from the system J-25.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I left out that 7's parents were sent out to investicate rumers that the Federation had hear about a race that was most likly cyborgs after hearing about encounters about the race from other races like guinens people but even they didnt share much info.This cyborg race was looked upond from the siantifc comunity like we think of Big Foot or Nessie.

[OptimusN1701]

Ok, I do get what you are saying now about the time paradox
I still say that many Trek fans, myself included, may end up taking up arms because of this film. Though I hope that wont be necessary

Back to the Borg. Given the events of Voyager and TNG The Neutral Zone, Starfleet did have knowledge of the Borg at least 10 years before Q instigated Picard's contact with them(VOY: Raven) given that 7 of 9's parents were sent by Starfleet to study them
So God only knows what would have happened with them
I do think that they would have attacked eventually if Q hadnt meddled in humanity's affairs, and perhaps the Federation would have been better suited to combat them

Whens the last time you saw that Voyeger episode with 7's parents.They were not sent by Star Fleet to study the Borg.....they were exobiologists that worked for the federation concil not starfleat.They were folowing rumerse about a race of cyborgs that they heard about and ventured out to find out more about them.They never reproted their finds about what name for the race that they uncovered because they were ordered to return to federation space just before they came upond the information.

As for wether they would have attacked eventually if Q had not interferied.....I would have to say that they wouldnt have.The Borg only assimulate that witch is uniqe and different about a race ether biologlicly or technologicly....they already had 7's parents and 7 so they knew that biologlicly they didnt have much to offer....they also had a sample of Federation Tech and werent impressed enough to launch an attack untill Q's medleing witch was about 20 years later.Its safe to assume that Q putting the enterprise in a posions that it should have taken them at least 11 years to get to peeked the Borgs intrest when they scaned the data banks in engerniring.Their intrest was further peeked when they disapeard in a flash from the system J-25.

Its been a while since Ive watched that ep of Voyager, so its sketchy in my mind. My bad

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok, I do get what you are saying now about the time paradox
I still say that many Trek fans, myself included, may end up taking up arms because of this film. Though I hope that wont be necessary

Back to the Borg. Given the events of Voyager and TNG The Neutral Zone, Starfleet did have knowledge of the Borg at least 10 years before Q instigated Picard's contact with them(VOY: Raven) given that 7 of 9's parents were sent by Starfleet to study them
So God only knows what would have happened with them
I do think that they would have attacked eventually if Q hadnt meddled in humanity's affairs, and perhaps the Federation would have been better suited to combat them

Whens the last time you saw that Voyeger episode with 7's parents.They were not sent by Star Fleet to study the Borg.....they were exobiologists that worked for the federation concil not starfleat.They were folowing rumerse about a race of cyborgs that they heard about and ventured out to find out more about them.They never reproted their finds about what name for the race that they uncovered because they were ordered to return to federation space just before they came upond the information.

As for wether they would have attacked eventually if Q had not interferied.....I would have to say that they wouldnt have.The Borg only assimulate that witch is uniqe and different about a race ether biologlicly or technologicly....they already had 7's parents and 7 so they knew that biologlicly they didnt have much to offer....they also had a sample of Federation Tech and werent impressed enough to launch an attack untill Q's medleing witch was about 20 years later.Its safe to assume that Q putting the enterprise in a posions that it should have taken them at least 11 years to get to peeked the Borgs intrest when they scaned the data banks in engerniring.Their intrest was further peeked when they disapeard in a flash from the system J-25.

Its been a while since Ive watched that ep of Voyager, so its sketchy in my mind. My bad

No bigie....I left out a few details by mistake my self....I posted them right after my other post.I havent slept in 3 days now so I'm a bit dizzy

[OptimusN1701]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

Its been worce before but yes thats the issue.I've always had insomnia.

Getting back to the movie....I think that even if they go with the script that we've been talking about or 1 simular and still change history that most of the fans will still give it a chance.......most likly because at least at the start of the film things will still be the same and the will want to see just how the changes take place and they will want to see just how bad the new Kirk is.....its like how people always slow down to view a car wreck

[OptimusN1701]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

Its been worce before but yes thats the issue.I've always had insomnia.

Getting back to the movie....I think that even if they go with the script that we've been talking about or 1 simular and still change history that most of the fans will still give it a chance.......most likly because at least at the start of the film things will still be the same and the will want to see just how the changes take place and they will want to see just how bad the new Kirk is.....its like how people always slow down to view a car wreck

Yes, and after the closing credits roll thy may start grabbing flaming torches and hunt Abrams down ala Frankenstein's monster

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

Its been worce before but yes thats the issue.I've always had insomnia.

Getting back to the movie....I think that even if they go with the script that we've been talking about or 1 simular and still change history that most of the fans will still give it a chance.......most likly because at least at the start of the film things will still be the same and the will want to see just how the changes take place and they will want to see just how bad the new Kirk is.....its like how people always slow down to view a car wreck

Yes, and after the closing credits roll thy may start grabbing flaming torches and hunt Abrams down ala Frankenstein's monster

I have tracked down his address so if he screws up will you join me on a little mission.

[Wheeljack35]

Out of all the incarnations of Star trek I want to share my all time fave in it's entirety

Pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlD6MF-XApc

Pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MML558pGG_o

Pt 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeGVpaJpxpE

Pt 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KptOxaQbgn4

Pt 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xl9eSOhqAs

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Out of all the incarnations of Star trek I want to share my all time fave in it's entirety

Pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlD6MF-XApc

Pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MML558pGG_o

Pt 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeGVpaJpxpE

Pt 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KptOxaQbgn4

Pt 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xl9eSOhqAs

Deep space 9 was the best.....and that was an exsample of why

[OptimusN1701]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

Its been worce before but yes thats the issue.I've always had insomnia.

Getting back to the movie....I think that even if they go with the script that we've been talking about or 1 simular and still change history that most of the fans will still give it a chance.......most likly because at least at the start of the film things will still be the same and the will want to see just how the changes take place and they will want to see just how bad the new Kirk is.....its like how people always slow down to view a car wreck

Yes, and after the closing credits roll thy may start grabbing flaming torches and hunt Abrams down ala Frankenstein's monster

I have tracked down his address so if he screws up will you join me on a little mission.

If your "mission" possibly involves firearms, a tazer,, and/or a car battery w/ jumper cables then I may consder it

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

Its been worce before but yes thats the issue.I've always had insomnia.

Getting back to the movie....I think that even if they go with the script that we've been talking about or 1 simular and still change history that most of the fans will still give it a chance.......most likly because at least at the start of the film things will still be the same and the will want to see just how the changes take place and they will want to see just how bad the new Kirk is.....its like how people always slow down to view a car wreck

Yes, and after the closing credits roll thy may start grabbing flaming torches and hunt Abrams down ala Frankenstein's monster

I have tracked down his address so if he screws up will you join me on a little mission.

If your "mission" possibly involves firearms, a tazer,, and/or a car battery w/ jumper cables then I may consder it

Good but we shouldnt speek more of this.......the least amount of evidencs we make public the better

[OptimusN1701]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

Its been worce before but yes thats the issue.I've always had insomnia.

Getting back to the movie....I think that even if they go with the script that we've been talking about or 1 simular and still change history that most of the fans will still give it a chance.......most likly because at least at the start of the film things will still be the same and the will want to see just how the changes take place and they will want to see just how bad the new Kirk is.....its like how people always slow down to view a car wreck

Yes, and after the closing credits roll thy may start grabbing flaming torches and hunt Abrams down ala Frankenstein's monster

I have tracked down his address so if he screws up will you join me on a little mission.

If your "mission" possibly involves firearms, a tazer,, and/or a car battery w/ jumper cables then I may consder it

Good but we shouldnt speek more of this.......the least amount of evidencs we make public the better

I concur
However, there will be hundreds if not thousands of suspects, so chances of pinning this on us will be slim

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

3 days?

Bad case of insomnia?

Its been worce before but yes thats the issue.I've always had insomnia.

Getting back to the movie....I think that even if they go with the script that we've been talking about or 1 simular and still change history that most of the fans will still give it a chance.......most likly because at least at the start of the film things will still be the same and the will want to see just how the changes take place and they will want to see just how bad the new Kirk is.....its like how people always slow down to view a car wreck

Yes, and after the closing credits roll thy may start grabbing flaming torches and hunt Abrams down ala Frankenstein's monster

I have tracked down his address so if he screws up will you join me on a little mission.

If your "mission" possibly involves firearms, a tazer,, and/or a car battery w/ jumper cables then I may consder it

Good but we shouldnt speek more of this.......the least amount of evidencs we make public the better

I concur
However, there will be hundreds if not thousands of suspects, so chances of pinning this on us will be slim

Good point