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Kyleor wrote:

william-james88 wrote:The fact that they are called cyber battalion does hint at their origin as cyberverse figures made big. Also guys, these transformations arent crazily simplifies. Combiner Wars Motormaster transforms in only 7 steps while I saw on the boxes of these that some take 7 steps to convert. The big difference is more the detail and articulation to me, not necessarily the complexity.

"7 steps" We'll see when they come out if Hasbro did their new thing of leaving out of steps/moves or combining multiple steps/moves into one unclear one to "reduce" the number of steps.

That only sounds like a positive to me.

Madeus Prime wrote:Well, Optimus' vehicle mode is fantastic, bot mode...not so much. Bumblebee and Grimlock are crap looking. Buuuut, Megatron looks promising, still want a better idea of the articulation. Also Starscream is totally being picked up, assuming he has knees.

But doesnt it look exactly like the latest legends Optimus?

william-james88 wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Well, Optimus' vehicle mode is fantastic, bot mode...not so much. Bumblebee and Grimlock are crap looking. Buuuut, Megatron looks promising, still want a better idea of the articulation. Also Starscream is totally being picked up, assuming he has knees.

But doesnt it look exactly like the latest legends Optimus?

Yes, but BIGGER.

What's with all the black and excess blue on Starscream?

Days ago Thought some said. the Cyber series Seven and Eleven refers to the size of these toys. Not the Transformation steps of these toys.

A Seven inch tall robot is a big Voyager class toy. Not a Deluxe class toy.

The Standard deluxe class toy does not reach over Six inches tall for the robot mode. Sure their are the occasional Lockdown and Cheetor type exceptions.

Going to have to see more of these before I judge. How they will look in their actual size is hard to determine, and articulation on some is still fuzzy (knees?) And of course, price. What bothers me more than anything with the one steps, legions and the upscaled beast hunter toys is the price. Simple toys for kids, if that is indeed the goal, should reflect that ethos in the price, in my opinion.

As toys, these look better. Except Prime. He looks like an upscaled mix and match of the 2 existing legion figures (G1 and IDW) Not sure if it's the actual parts or not, but nothing great. I want to see the 11 inch

Megatron is pure win, Starscream...if he has knees, call me

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Days ago Thought some said. the Cyber series Seven and Eleven refers to the size of these toys. Not the Transformation steps of these toys.

No one ever said it referred to the amount of steps. It's been size all along.

Cobotron wrote:Interesting. Wonder if the Bee art still eludes to something else that is still coming.

Given the art of Bee on the TF App, I'm not surprised if we get a retooled Blackjack as Bumblebee

The thing I'm wondering is, will we see these in the US?

All other "upsized" Cyberverse style figures didn't make it to the US, but everywhere else. I have to wonder if this is another case of "emerging markets" product like Slingshot and Wildrider, where it'll go to comic shops and almost everywhere else on the planet except North America. (That includes Canada and Mexico in case anyone forgot, yo.)

I'm definitely interested in Starscream and I like some of the ideas they have here, but this line isn't for me. Wasn't it stated that we'd be receiving a transforming Titans line? You know, the shampoo bottle bots, but they actually transform. I have to wonder if this is the line that was rumored to be.

Autobot032 wrote:The thing I'm wondering is, will we see these in the US?

That is a good question, and I think it best depends on when they're scheduled for release, since that's what most affected the upscaled Beast Hunters from not all making it to the U.S. Since those toys were due out right before the AOE toys, retailers didn't want any of them other than the two Voyagers, preferring to skip over them and go for the AOE toys.

If these Cyber Battalion Series toys come out at a time when there isn't a movie toyline so close to being on its way, then that might give these a better chance for a U.S. release.

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:The thing I'm wondering is, will we see these in the US?

That is a good question, and I think it best depends on when they're scheduled for release, since that's what most affected the upscaled Beast Hunters from not all making it to the U.S. Since those toys were due out right before the AOE toys, retailers didn't want any of them other than the two Voyagers, preferring to skip over them and go for the AOE toys.

If these Cyber Battalion Series toys come out at a time when there isn't a movie toyline so close to being on its way, then that might give these a better chance for a U.S. release.

I would think they would. The "too complex for kids" problem seems to be such a point of contention for the brand. IMO, this is the perfect solution. And, they are so G1-centique that it seems they are aimed at the G1ers who are all late 30s early 40s, and likely have kids. I can't see Hasbro missing out on that cash grab.

I am so geewunned out, I can't even stand it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:The thing I'm wondering is, will we see these in the US?

That is a good question, and I think it best depends on when they're scheduled for release, since that's what most affected the upscaled Beast Hunters from not all making it to the U.S. Since those toys were due out right before the AOE toys, retailers didn't want any of them other than the two Voyagers, preferring to skip over them and go for the AOE toys.

If these Cyber Battalion Series toys come out at a time when there isn't a movie toyline so close to being on its way, then that might give these a better chance for a U.S. release.

Fair points. They have one thing in their favor, '15 is technically just beginning in terms of waves and assortments, so they have a while to go before this year is over and CW carries over to '16, so I'd imagine these will have no real excuse not to be released outside of retailers saying no. And to be honest, I can't blame them if they do. If they're too simplified it cuts out a big portion of the collectors/fans, if they're not simplified enough they won't be a good fit for certain age groups, it's kind of a mess.

Hasbro has us give fan polls and things of that nature, but what they really need to do is unveil their new figures and ideas, such as these and ask us our geographic location, our amount of income (which is important), our personal desires in the collecting world and simply yes or no, will we buy this figure or that figure.

It would help them decide first of all, whether or not to produce said figure(s), and second, it would help them see where this toy line should go and that one goes elsewhere, etc.

I'm not sure why they haven't done this before, it needs to be done.

Cobotron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:The thing I'm wondering is, will we see these in the US?

That is a good question, and I think it best depends on when they're scheduled for release, since that's what most affected the upscaled Beast Hunters from not all making it to the U.S. Since those toys were due out right before the AOE toys, retailers didn't want any of them other than the two Voyagers, preferring to skip over them and go for the AOE toys.

If these Cyber Battalion Series toys come out at a time when there isn't a movie toyline so close to being on its way, then that might give these a better chance for a U.S. release.

I would think they would. The "too complex for kids" problem seems to be such a point of contention for the brand. IMO, this is the perfect solution. And, they are so G1-centique that it seems they are aimed at the G1ers who are all late 30s early 40s, and likely have kids. I can't see Hasbro missing out on that cash grab.

See, the complexity issue drives me nuts because they call for simplified transformations and end up going overboard or not enough. To me, a simplified transformation is Rescue Bots, while balanced transformations are something you'd find in RID, and any thing else would be aimed more at old fashioned fans and ages such as us.

Warrior Class Steeljaw? He's a bit more complex than people would have you believe, especially with how crappy the instructions are. He's also a bit more fiddly than other figures in the wave because of his ball jointed tail and making sure all panels are in their correct places and so on. I think he's just the right amount of complex without being frustrating. (Strongarm's hit that perfect sweet spot. She has the perfect balance to the point where you can transform her fast, but still end up with both modes being solid and no articulation had to be sacrificed.)

Legion Class Bumblebee? He's like a plastic piece of origami. I don't know if you've seen Peaugh's video review, but the head has to go through the windshield (I believe) and it looks a bit ridiculous.

If they want childish complexity, do childish complexity, not this halfassed "still too much for little ones" middle complexity that drives people crazy. "It's too simple for me, very cheaty." "It's just one or two steps too much for my son/daughter."

These Cyber Series figures seem to have that sweet spot thing going on. Optimus, for sure. Megatron with his swiveling feet could throw some kids off. (Sad to say.) The problem is us. We've watered down our children and made them dumber. When you can hand them a digital device and tell them to click this link or tap this app picture, we've taken out all of the learning and just given them instant gratification. That spills over into toys and playing, as well. The figures might as well be on autopilot.

I remember when we were kids, we had toys we sometimes couldn't figure out and we still loved them. Now, kids have a choice, whereas we didn't and their intelligence suffers for it. Kids will learn if given enough time and patience, no one has that anymore, so here's a skimped upon transformation and barely any instructions.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I am so geewunned out, I can't even stand it.

Is...that a good thing or a bad thing?

Autobot032 wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I am so geewunned out, I can't even stand it.

Is...that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I am so geewunned out, I can't even stand it.

Is...that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad.

Just to clarify. When I said this...

Cobotron wrote: it seems they are aimed at the G1ers who are all late 30s early 40s, and likely have kids. I can't see Hasbro missing out on that cash grab.

I meant that it is a direct shoulder tap to our nostalgia, and tug at our heart strings to shell out the cash on these for our kids. ("our" being 35 to 45 year olds. I'm in that bracket)

Autobot032 wrote:See, the complexity issue drives me nuts because they call for simplified transformations and end up going overboard or not enough.

Agreed. I would love to see the market research data on the Cybertron line. IMO, those are the perfect balance for littler kids. I don't recall hearing any complaints about complexity until around movie era.

Strongarm's hit that perfect sweet spot. She has the perfect balance to the point where you can transform her fast, but still end up with both modes being solid and no articulation had to be sacrificed.

We're singing the same tune brother. She is very Cybertron, with just a little more articulation. Drift IS Hot Shot with WAY BETTER articulation.

Legion Class Bumblebee? He's like a plastic piece of origami. I don't know if you've seen Peaugh's video review, but the head has to go through the windshield (I believe) and it looks a bit ridiculous.

I have him and for a legion class he is precisely ridiculous.

If they want childish complexity, do childish complexity, not this halfassed "still too much for little ones" middle complexity that drives people crazy. "It's too simple for me, very cheaty." "It's just one or two steps too much for my son/daughter."

Sorry. Are you referring to the legion class here. Please clarify?

These Cyber Series figures seem to have that sweet spot thing going on.

That's why I think these would be so great for kids. Even as young as 3. These would have that nice learning curve. If they are a little complex, they can ask Mom or Dad for help, and then there is interaction going on with parent and child. Novel eh?

tell them to click this link or tap this app picture, we've taken out all of the learning and just given them instant gratification.

3 step, 2 step, half steppin'. These step toys are definitly...

on autopilot.

So, I hope this Cyber line is released in North America. Because I kind of think Uncle Hasby has found the answer to his problem.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I am so geewunned out, I can't even stand it.

Is...that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad.

Can't speak for MartianSpyGirl, but after all these sub and sub-sub-sub lines I'm real tired of seeing the same faces again and again. Yet another Optimus, yet another Megatron/Starscream/Bumblebee, etc. and the inevitable Ironhide, Prowl, Soundwave -- all based on their classic G1 versions instead of any of the newer ones OR even a different character with that same name...
Kinda like seeing Daleks, Cybermen, and Weeping Angels in every single season of Doctor Who.


Have to wonder how many sub-lines the brand can support. It's one thing to have really varied types of lines (i.e. Cyberverse, Hero Mashers, Kre-O) but it feels like we've gotten a dozen takes on "easy to transform" now.

CrankyOldTruck wrote:The toy line itself is excellent.
Those of you bitching about the half-dozen things that you seem to think are wrong with toys intended for 5 YEAR OLDS can take a long walk off a very short pier.
Seriously, you guys are dicks! I'd love to see even one of you walk up to a child, pull the toy from his hand and say "Dude, this thing is a piece of crap! You shouldn't be playing with this" and toss it in the trash. Honestly, that's the mentality you people have when you start verbally bashing on toys meant for little children on a public site so you might want to think about how you are coming across to the rest of society when you start ragging on these toys. I know 3 people off the top off my head who wont have anything to do with this site because of this very issue.

I joined the forums just to make fun of those kinds of people but honestly I do hate these comment sections. Someone should make a chrome extension to remove them. That'd be helpful.

Cobotron wrote:Just to clarify. When I said this...

Cobotron wrote: it seems they are aimed at the G1ers who are all late 30s early 40s, and likely have kids. I can't see Hasbro missing out on that cash grab.

I meant that it is a direct shoulder tap to our nostalgia, and tug at our heart strings to shell out the cash on these for our kids. ("our" being 35 to 45 year olds. I'm in that bracket)

As am I. However, the only kid is me.

Cobotron wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:See, the complexity issue drives me nuts because they call for simplified transformations and end up going overboard or not enough.

Agreed. I would love to see the market research data on the Cybertron line. IMO, those are the perfect balance for littler kids. I don't recall hearing any complaints about complexity until around movie era.

Strongarm's hit that perfect sweet spot. She has the perfect balance to the point where you can transform her fast, but still end up with both modes being solid and no articulation had to be sacrificed.

We're singing the same tune brother. She is very Cybertron, with just a little more articulation. Drift IS Hot Shot with WAY BETTER articulation.

Both Drift and Bumblebee do give an Energon Hot Shot vibe, it's true. Although, I'd say both of these blow him out of the water.

Cobotron wrote:

Legion Class Bumblebee? He's like a plastic piece of origami. I don't know if you've seen Peaugh's video review, but the head has to go through the windshield (I believe) and it looks a bit ridiculous.

I have him and for a legion class he is precisely ridiculous.

I just don't understand their train of thought. Problem is, when we even just ask questions and not even really complain, they automatically go in the direction of "Oh! Well, let's make it simpler!" and it's got me screaming on the inside "NO! Just talk to us!"

Cobotron wrote:

If they want childish complexity, do childish complexity, not this halfassed "still too much for little ones" middle complexity that drives people crazy. "It's too simple for me, very cheaty." "It's just one or two steps too much for my son/daughter."

Sorry. Are you referring to the legion class here. Please clarify?

Oh, I mean all classes. Especially Voyager and Leader Class figures. I think I read 5 reviews claiming the same thing on DOTM Leader Class Sentinel Prime. Granted, he's complex, almost as much as ROTF Optimus, possibly more so. Kids, younger ones, shouldn't be handling him. Get their fingers pinched (I know, I have the scar to prove it...) break something, just not the greatest figure for certain kids. I must admit they went too far with some of the movie figures, but Rescue Bots level transformations for any age group other than preschool is too much. Much too much. RID's the right amount of balance. Love 'em or hate 'em, at least the engineering is on target.

Cobotron wrote:

These Cyber Series figures seem to have that sweet spot thing going on.

That's why I think these would be so great for kids. Even as young as 3. These would have that nice learning curve. If they are a little complex, they can ask Mom or Dad for help, and then there is interaction going on with parent and child. Novel eh?

tell them to click this link or tap this app picture, we've taken out all of the learning and just given them instant gratification.

3 step, 2 step, half steppin'. These step toys are definitly...

on autopilot.

I have the following 1-Steps:

AOE Steeljaw
AOE Stinger
RID Underbite
RID Fixit

All of them are actually quite neat and more of a tinker toy rather than a collectible, but if they're the only option for a character to receive a toy, so be it. I'd rather have one than none, but at least put some effort into them. I'm fine with 1-Steps for kids, especially small ones, but these "3-Steps"? At least put some articulation into them. Arms that move and nothing else? That's what Sentai/Power Rangers is for. We expect it from that line, but Transformers? That age died long ago.

To some extent, it's a bit of laziness that needs to stop.

Cobotron wrote:So, I hope this Cyber line is released in North America. Because I kind of think Uncle Hasby has found the answer to his problem.

I could deal with these. I don't want them to become the main line, especially with their lack of overt articulation and the hollowness, but they're a nice balance that should at least be explored with options for everyone.

Noideaforaname wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I am so geewunned out, I can't even stand it.

Is...that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad.

Can't speak for MartianSpyGirl, but after all these sub and sub-sub-sub lines I'm real tired of seeing the same faces again and again. Yet another Optimus, yet another Megatron/Starscream/Bumblebee, etc. and the inevitable Ironhide, Prowl, Soundwave -- all based on their classic G1 versions instead of any of the newer ones OR even a different character with that same name...
Kinda like seeing Daleks, Cybermen, and Weeping Angels in every single season of Doctor Who.


Have to wonder how many sub-lines the brand can support. It's one thing to have really varied types of lines (i.e. Cyberverse, Hero Mashers, Kre-O) but it feels like we've gotten a dozen takes on "easy to transform" now.

Oh wow, nailed it. Explained my opinion better than I could have!

CrankyOldTruck wrote:The toy line itself is excellent.
Those of you bitching about the half-dozen things that you seem to think are wrong with toys intended for 5 YEAR OLDS can take a long walk off a very short pier.
Seriously, you guys are dicks! I'd love to see even one of you walk up to a child, pull the toy from his hand and say "Dude, this thing is a piece of crap! You shouldn't be playing with this" and toss it in the trash. Honestly, that's the mentality you people have when you start verbally bashing on toys meant for little children on a public site so you might want to think about how you are coming across to the rest of society when you start ragging on these toys. I know 3 people off the top off my head who wont have anything to do with this site because of this very issue.

So kids don't deserve to have quality toys? Yeah, okay...

william-james88 wrote:The fact that they are called cyber battalion does hint at their origin as cyberverse figures made big. Also guys, these transformations arent crazily simplifies. Combiner Wars Motormaster transforms in only 7 steps while I saw on the boxes of these that some take 7 steps to convert. The big difference is more the detail and articulation to me, not necessarily the complexity.

Motormaster has 10 steps, CW Prime has 9. Still not much of a gap. I am thinking that the 11" prime will have at least 9 steps. Considering 7" megatron has 8 steps.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

CrankyOldTruck wrote:The toy line itself is excellent.
Those of you bitching about the half-dozen things that you seem to think are wrong with toys intended for 5 YEAR OLDS can take a long walk off a very short pier.
Seriously, you guys are dicks! I'd love to see even one of you walk up to a child, pull the toy from his hand and say "Dude, this thing is a piece of crap! You shouldn't be playing with this" and toss it in the trash. Honestly, that's the mentality you people have when you start verbally bashing on toys meant for little children on a public site so you might want to think about how you are coming across to the rest of society when you start ragging on these toys. I know 3 people off the top off my head who wont have anything to do with this site because of this very issue.

So kids don't deserve to have quality toys? Yeah, okay...

"I'm sorry Charlie you can't have transformers figures we're too poor to pay $50 for a deluxe class figure. You'll just have to go without."

BlueBefore wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

CrankyOldTruck wrote:The toy line itself is excellent.
Those of you bitching about the half-dozen things that you seem to think are wrong with toys intended for 5 YEAR OLDS can take a long walk off a very short pier.
Seriously, you guys are dicks! I'd love to see even one of you walk up to a child, pull the toy from his hand and say "Dude, this thing is a piece of crap! You shouldn't be playing with this" and toss it in the trash. Honestly, that's the mentality you people have when you start verbally bashing on toys meant for little children on a public site so you might want to think about how you are coming across to the rest of society when you start ragging on these toys. I know 3 people off the top off my head who wont have anything to do with this site because of this very issue.

So kids don't deserve to have quality toys? Yeah, okay...

"I'm sorry Charlie you can't have transformers figures we're too poor to pay $50 for a deluxe class figure. You'll just have to go without."

Except quality deluxe figures wouldn't cost $50. Even with the rise in price for plastic, Hasbro is clearly cutting corners to maximize (har har) their profit margins. Also, with as much **** as they put out, you would think there would be more variety with transformations... spanning from 1-step changers to Mixmaster-level difficulty

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I am so geewunned out, I can't even stand it.

Is...that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad.

Can't speak for MartianSpyGirl, but after all these sub and sub-sub-sub lines I'm real tired of seeing the same faces again and again. Yet another Optimus, yet another Megatron/Starscream/Bumblebee, etc. and the inevitable Ironhide, Prowl, Soundwave -- all based on their classic G1 versions instead of any of the newer ones OR even a different character with that same name...
Kinda like seeing Daleks, Cybermen, and Weeping Angels in every single season of Doctor Who.


Have to wonder how many sub-lines the brand can support. It's one thing to have really varied types of lines (i.e. Cyberverse, Hero Mashers, Kre-O) but it feels like we've gotten a dozen takes on "easy to transform" now.

Oh wow, nailed it. Explained my opinion better than I could have!

Well, new stuff is what the motion picture based lines like RID and the movie lines are for. Generations and such are the nostalgia-based lines while the motion picture based lines are the outlet for newer things.