The Energon Pub

[Burn]

Looking at Stomp and Chomp Grimlock I'm thinking he's the AoE equivalent of Beast Machines Supreme Cheetor.

Big, simplified, and utterly useless.

Supreme Cheetor is still better because he actually transforms. All Grimlock does his bend over.

That's practically what SC does.

And Fortress Maximus.

And Metroplex.

Heck, when you think about it, the only "complex" supreme Transformer would be Cybertron Starscream.

[Mindmaster]

Looking at Stomp and Chomp Grimlock I'm thinking he's the AoE equivalent of Beast Machines Supreme Cheetor.

Big, simplified, and utterly useless.

Supreme Cheetor is still better because he actually transforms. All Grimlock does his bend over.

That's practically what SC does.

And Fortress Maximus.

And Metroplex.

Heck, when you think about it, the only "complex" supreme Transformer would be Cybertron Starscream.

What about Armada Unicron and Cybertron Primus? I'd say those two are somewhat complex.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Looking at Stomp and Chomp Grimlock I'm thinking he's the AoE equivalent of Beast Machines Supreme Cheetor.

Big, simplified, and utterly useless.

Supreme Cheetor is still better because he actually transforms. All Grimlock does his bend over.

That's practically what SC does.

And Fortress Maximus.

And Metroplex.

Heck, when you think about it, the only "complex" supreme Transformer would be Cybertron Starscream.

What about Unicron? Or does he also fall under "yoga position"? At least Cheetor is still more poseable (even if he can't stand up).

[megatronus]

Looking at Stomp and Chomp Grimlock I'm thinking he's the AoE equivalent of Beast Machines Supreme Cheetor.

Big, simplified, and utterly useless.

Supreme Cheetor is still better because he actually transforms. All Grimlock does his bend over.

That's practically what SC does.

And Fortress Maximus.

And Metroplex.

Heck, when you think about it, the only "complex" supreme Transformer would be Cybertron Starscream.

What about Armada Unicron and Cybertron Primus? I'd say those two are somewhat complex.

Perhaps. But they're still not nearly as big as Fort Max or Metroplex.

I don't know if Stomp & Chomp Grimlock is useless... he's the only version of Grimmy big enough for AOE [Leader] OP to ride, isn't he?

[dragons]

Looking at Stomp and Chomp Grimlock I'm thinking he's the AoE equivalent of Beast Machines Supreme Cheetor.

Big, simplified, and utterly useless.

Supreme Cheetor is still better because he actually transforms. All Grimlock does his bend over.

That's practically what SC does.

And Fortress Maximus.

And Metroplex.

Heck, when you think about it, the only "complex" supreme Transformer would be Cybertron Starscream.

What about Armada Unicron and Cybertron Primus? I'd say those two are somewhat complex.

Perhaps. But they're still not nearly as big as Fort Max or Metroplex.

I don't know if Stomp & Chomp Grimlock is useless... he's the only version of Grimmy big enough for AOE [Leader] OP to ride, isn't he?

Unicron, primus complex, supreme starscream I found to be easy to transform you three talking about complex transformation here are two for you Star Wars Death Star darth vader transformer, leader Optimus prime movie 1 and 2 versions there is complexity for you three

[Burn]

Star Wars garbage doesn't count ('cause it's garbage) and the movie Primes are Leader class, we're talking Supreme class.

[Emerje]

People who don't think Fort Max is complex clearly don't own one. His battle station mode isn't so impressive, but city mode folds up into a very compact form. Besides, city bots are impressive not because of the complexity of their transformations, but the fact that they have three of them.

Emerje

[Sabrblade]

There's also G1 Overlord to think about, who is as tall as a Unicron Trilogy Supreme class figure.

[Zeedust]

People who don't think Fort Max is complex clearly don't own one. His battle station mode isn't so impressive, but city mode folds up into a very compact form. Besides, city bots are impressive not because of the complexity of their transformations, but the fact that they have three of them.

Emerje

I though size, in this case, did matter.

[Superwheeljack]

Got Swoop (NOT STRAFE!), Scorn, Crosshairs, HO Bee, voyager wave 1 and Drift. All of them are pretty cool. Still looking for Galvatron though...
On a scale from 1 to 10, what's Leader class prime?

[william-james88]

That's practically what SC does.

And Fortress Maximus.

And Metroplex.

Heck, when you think about it, the only "complex" supreme Transformer would be Cybertron Starscream.

What about Armada Unicron and Cybertron Primus? I'd say those two are somewhat complex.[/quote]
Perhaps. But they're still not nearly as big as Fort Max or Metroplex.

I don't know if Stomp & Chomp Grimlock is useless... he's the only version of Grimmy big enough for AOE [Leader] OP to ride, isn't he?[/quote]

Unicron, primus complex, supreme starscream I found to be easy to transform you three talking about complex transformation here are two for you Star Wars Death Star darth vader transformer, leader Optimus prime movie 1 and 2 versions there is complexity for you three[/quote]

Does Cybertron Primus count as supreme class? Because hes more complex than Starscream

[Sabrblade]

I think it ought to be pointed out that Fort Max and Generations Metroplex are not Supreme class figures. Metroplex is a Titan class toy, while Fort Max predates the size class system and belongs to none of them (though, if he were to be forced into one, he'd be the most akin to a Titan class toy).

All of the following are Supreme class toys:

Beast Machines
* Electronic Cheetor

Armada
* Unicron

Energon
* Unicron
* Omega Supreme
* Omega Sentinel

Cybertron
* Starscream
* Cybertron Primus
(Metroplex comes close, but he was sold as a Leader)

Animated
* Roll Out Command Optimus Prime

Universe (2008)
* Unicron

Revenge of the Fallen
* Constructicon Devastator (IIRC)

Welcome to Transformers 2010
* Universal Dominator Unicron
* Creator Primus

Transformers (2010)
* 25th Anniversary Unicron

Platinum Edition
* "Year of the Snake" Omega Supreme
* "Year of the Horse" Supreme Starscream

There's also the similarly-sized but much more electronically gimmick-based Ultimate class Bumblebee toys from the first movie line and ROTF.

And the Generations Fall of Cybertron Bruticus toy made up of five Deluxes, making it almost but not quite as tall as a Supreme.

[megatronus]

On a scale from 1 to 10, what's Leader class prime?

I would say 7, where ROTF Leader Prime is an 8 or 8.5 (in my book, anyway).

[Mindmaster]

Does Cybertron Primus count as supreme class? Because hes more complex than Starscream

He was sold at the Supreme pricepoint. That should give you a hint.

[ScottyP]

On a scale from 1 to 10, what's Leader class prime?

I would say 7, where ROTF Leader Prime is an 8 or 8.5 (in my book, anyway).

I'll echo 7 if RotF Leader is a 9.

If you view the RotF Leader as an 8, well, then I'd say the AoE Leader Prime is a 5-6 or so on that scale. It's not a bad toy, just exceedingly average for a Leader class fig imo. Fun Factor would be one of the points bringing it that high, the design isn't super great but it has a charm about it that makes it better.

[megatronus]

On a scale from 1 to 10, what's Leader class prime?

I would say 7, where ROTF Leader Prime is an 8 or 8.5 (in my book, anyway).

I'll echo 7 if RotF Leader is a 9.

If you view the RotF Leader as an 8, well, then I'd say the AoE Leader Prime is a 5-6 or so on that scale. It's not a bad toy, just exceedingly average for a Leader class fig imo. Fun Factor would be one of the points bringing it that high, the design isn't super great but it has a charm about it that makes it better.

If you want to put them farther apart, that's cool. I suppose I can firm up that 8.5 figure for ROTF Prime

I see them as good in different departments, with AOE's emphasis on simplicity both bolstering (greatly on transformation) and reducing (somewhat on articulation & kibble) it's overall score. Plus there are factors of aesthetics and paints apps to consider... i.e., I give Hasbro a lot of credit for giving this Leader chrome.

Overall, I like it, and invariably personal taste is what matters.

[Nemisis_Prime]

I am not overly fond of the design of both Optimus and Grimlock but due to this being a platinum edition I would consider getting it.

[El Duque]

Courtesy of Weibo user 马哥来自塞伯坦 we have some in-hand images of Leader Class Grimlock from the upcoming Platinum Edition Leader Class Grimlock and Optimus Prime Set. This figure features an alternate deco to it's mass retail counterpart. Check out the images mirrored below:

[Observedhalo]

Damn, that thing looks great. If only they gaveGrimlock red eyes in Robot mode.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

That's the Leader Grimlock I'm gonna go for, and the Leader Prime will be a nice bonus. Since it's a Platinum Series release, it's gonna be a mostly online deal for the US, right?

[chuckdawg1999]

That's the Leader Grimlock I'm gonna go for, and the Leader Prime will be a nice bonus. Since it's a Platinum Series release, it's gonna be a mostly online deal for the US, right?

And Toys R Us

[Jelze Bunnycat]

That's the Leader Grimlock I'm gonna go for, and the Leader Prime will be a nice bonus. Since it's a Platinum Series release, it's gonna be a mostly online deal for the US, right?

And Toys R Us

I thought that was for Canada? If not, I may have to keep an eye on the one near my future home.

[Observedhalo]

That's the Leader Grimlock I'm gonna go for, and the Leader Prime will be a nice bonus. Since it's a Platinum Series release, it's gonna be a mostly online deal for the US, right?

And Toys R Us

I thought that was for Canada? If not, I may have to keep an eye on the one near my future home.

Nope, Platinum Edition products are available at Toy-R-Us stores, in addition to some sites online. Thats how I got my Grimlock Evolution 2-pack.

[Mindmaster]

That's the Leader Grimlock I'm gonna go for, and the Leader Prime will be a nice bonus. Since it's a Platinum Series release, it's gonna be a mostly online deal for the US, right?

And Toys R Us

I thought that was for Canada? If not, I may have to keep an eye on the one near my future home.

More recent Platinum Edition releases are popping up in stores. Only YotS Optimus and Omega Supreme, and Predaking haven't gotten Toys "R" Us treatment (as far as I know).

[shajaki]

i havent seen TF4, but is this grimlock more screen accurate? either way i like it.