Sabrblade wrote:I mean, I don't want either version to be released as Air Raid because they're Shockwave remolds. I want an Air Raid that looks like the game model, but with them using this mold instead, it diminishes the possibility of us getting one.Diem wrote:Well the Hasbro version can "be" Fireflight. To be honest these are Aerialbots made from Shockwave repaints so colour inconsistencies are not the worst of their accuracy problems.
XDMan wrote:Takara, you just showed Hasbro that YOU are the true franchise creators, NOT them! They look much more better than the inferior US versions!
The objective of this deco was to strive for game-accurate colors, hence Vortex's deco.Rated X wrote:Im so happy I didnt get the SDCC Bruticus from scalpers. This version makes SDCC look like a piece of s**t. It's such a shame they didnt just do Vortex right in his proper G1 grey and blue. Maybe if there is enought calling for it, it can be a future TFCC repaint.
FYI, this isn't G1 Vortex.Rated X wrote:FOC creators were wrong to screw with Vortex colors.
TakaraTomy apparently cares about it enough to put effort into their toys being colored for game-accuracy.Rated X wrote:Who cares about the game anyways ???
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The objective of this deco was to strive for game-accurate colors, hence Vortex's deco.Rated X wrote:Im so happy I didnt get the SDCC Bruticus from scalpers. This version makes SDCC look like a piece of s**t. It's such a shame they didnt just do Vortex right in his proper G1 grey and blue. Maybe if there is enought calling for it, it can be a future TFCC repaint.FYI, this isn't G1 Vortex.Rated X wrote:FOC creators were wrong to screw with Vortex colors.TakaraTomy apparently cares about it enough to put effort into their toys being colored for game-accuracy.Rated X wrote:Who cares about the game anyways ???
And why wouldn't they? Did you even play the game, Mr. "I-switched-to-video-games-after-G1"?
Sabrblade wrote:The objective of this deco was to strive for game-accurate colors, hence Vortex's deco.Rated X wrote:Im so happy I didnt get the SDCC Bruticus from scalpers. This version makes SDCC look like a piece of s**t. It's such a shame they didnt just do Vortex right in his proper G1 grey and blue. Maybe if there is enought calling for it, it can be a future TFCC repaint.FYI, this isn't G1 Vortex.Rated X wrote:FOC creators were wrong to screw with Vortex colors.TakaraTomy apparently cares about it enough to put effort into their toys being colored for game-accuracy.Rated X wrote:Who cares about the game anyways ???
And why wouldn't they? Did you even play the game, Mr. "I-switched-to-video-games-after-G1"?
Rated X wrote:The other 4 FOC Combaticons are all G1 colors, so Its quite obvious some guy who does video games (not toys) got the wrong info and they rolled with the mistake. They probally recieved a picture of energon Stormcloud instead of Vortex. Takara is known for correcting all of Hasbro's stupid mistakes.
How do you KNOW this was a mistake? How do you know that Hasbro and/or High Moon didn't just think, "You know, let's give Vortex a new deco to make this version more unique"? You act as if you have inside intel about how Hasbro and/or High Moon think and work, when this new deco could have very well been done ON PURPOSE. You have no way of knowing either way, so you immediately assume it was an accident and declare it wrong just because you don't like it.Rated X wrote:So why not correct this Vortex too ??? Does vortex have to be the color of warm PISS just because some geek from activision screwed up ??? Im buying an extra Hasbro version and painting him in nobody wants to step up and get it right...
And you know what? Now that Onslaught is blue, Bruticus looks wrong now that he has a blue torso. In the game, Bruticus has a gray torso just like the SDCC toy. Onslaught does some sort of color change from blue to gray when he combines with the others in the game, hence why the SDCC toy when for game-accuracy with Bruticus while the retail version went for game-accuracy with Onslaught. At least Takara kept the gray Bruticus head of the SDCC toy.Rated X wrote:Takara even got rid of that crappy SDCC grey on Onslaught and went for a G1 blue not as bright as the Hasbro versions.
Yes, I was there. but not every single last individual in the audience was booing. Some booed, others didn't. One group of individuals does not reflect the views of the entire fandom.Rated X wrote:Also I dont suppose you were at Botcon in Dallas at the Hasbro pannel. When the FOC (SDCC versions) slides came on the screen, Vortex got booed while the other 4 got cheered. I heard it with my own ears. The fans have spoken on Piss Vortex.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Rated X wrote:The other 4 FOC Combaticons are all G1 colors, so Its quite obvious some guy who does video games (not toys) got the wrong info and they rolled with the mistake. They probally recieved a picture of energon Stormcloud instead of Vortex. Takara is known for correcting all of Hasbro's stupid mistakes.How do you KNOW this was a mistake? How do you know that Hasbro and/or High Moon didn't just think, "You know, let's give Vortex a new deco to make this version more unique"? You act as if you have inside intel about how Hasbro and/or High Moon think and work, when this new deco could have very well been done ON PURPOSE. You have no way of knowing either way, so you immediately assume it was an accident and declare it wrong just because you don't like it.Rated X wrote:So why not correct this Vortex too ??? Does vortex have to be the color of warm PISS just because some geek from activision screwed up ??? Im buying an extra Hasbro version and painting him in nobody wants to step up and get it right...And you know what? Now that Onslaught is blue, Bruticus looks wrong now that he has a blue torso. In the game, Bruticus has a gray torso just like the SDCC toy. Onslaught does some sort of color change from blue to gray when he combines with the others in the game, hence why the SDCC toy when for game-accuracy with Bruticus while the retail version went for game-accuracy with Onslaught. At least Takara kept the gray Bruticus head of the SDCC toy.Rated X wrote:Takara even got rid of that crappy SDCC grey on Onslaught and went for a G1 blue not as bright as the Hasbro versions.
Even G1 Bruticus had a gray torso, but he cheated with his being made from combiner kibble instead of being integrated in like on this toy.Yes, I was there. but not every single last individual in the audience was booing. Some booed, others didn't. One group of individuals does not reflect the views of the entire fandom.Rated X wrote:Also I dont suppose you were at Botcon in Dallas at the Hasbro pannel. When the FOC (SDCC versions) slides came on the screen, Vortex got booed while the other 4 got cheered. I heard it with my own ears. The fans have spoken on Piss Vortex.
Rated X wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Rated X wrote:The other 4 FOC Combaticons are all G1 colors, so Its quite obvious some guy who does video games (not toys) got the wrong info and they rolled with the mistake. They probally recieved a picture of energon Stormcloud instead of Vortex. Takara is known for correcting all of Hasbro's stupid mistakes.How do you KNOW this was a mistake? How do you know that Hasbro and/or High Moon didn't just think, "You know, let's give Vortex a new deco to make this version more unique"? You act as if you have inside intel about how Hasbro and/or High Moon think and work, when this new deco could have very well been done ON PURPOSE. You have no way of knowing either way, so you immediately assume it was an accident and declare it wrong just because you don't like it.Rated X wrote:So why not correct this Vortex too ??? Does vortex have to be the color of warm PISS just because some geek from activision screwed up ??? Im buying an extra Hasbro version and painting him in nobody wants to step up and get it right...And you know what? Now that Onslaught is blue, Bruticus looks wrong now that he has a blue torso. In the game, Bruticus has a gray torso just like the SDCC toy. Onslaught does some sort of color change from blue to gray when he combines with the others in the game, hence why the SDCC toy when for game-accuracy with Bruticus while the retail version went for game-accuracy with Onslaught. At least Takara kept the gray Bruticus head of the SDCC toy.Rated X wrote:Takara even got rid of that crappy SDCC grey on Onslaught and went for a G1 blue not as bright as the Hasbro versions.
Even G1 Bruticus had a gray torso, but he cheated with his being made from combiner kibble instead of being integrated in like on this toy.Yes, I was there. but not every single last individual in the audience was booing. Some booed, others didn't. One group of individuals does not reflect the views of the entire fandom.Rated X wrote:Also I dont suppose you were at Botcon in Dallas at the Hasbro pannel. When the FOC (SDCC versions) slides came on the screen, Vortex got booed while the other 4 got cheered. I heard it with my own ears. The fans have spoken on Piss Vortex.
I have no inside intel on Vortex but do the math:
FOC Bruticus Video game accurate colors:
FOC Brawl: same as G1 Colors
FOC Swindle: same as G1 colors
FOC Blast Off: same as G1 Colors
FOC Onslaught: A very similar grey to ROTF Bruticus Maximus which was based on G1 colors in general
FOC Vortex: Warm Piss color
Don’t you see a pattern here that just doesn’t seem right for a “wild card” ? Then to top it all off Takara changes Onslaught back to G1 colors to resemble the Hasbro retail version which is basically G1. My question is why not change Vortex too ? You got a G1 vibe going on with a piss arm. I guess this is a sore spot for me because I don’t have a FOC shelf. I have a Golden Age of Cybertron classics shelf with certain FOC molds incorporated as stand ins. I plan to use FOC Bruticus as a centerpiece as the “renegade Decepticons” the Combaticons were referred to as in “Starscream’s Brigade”. So I need my grey Vortex. I might use metallic silver and blue and a lot of gloss on a Hasbro version. That will look nice…
And everyone in my group of chairs booed. Piss color on maroon was just an ugly choice that makes no sense historically or logically. Unless somebody either made a mistake or wanted to be funny.
Because Onslaught WAS blue in the game. He only changed to gray when he turned into Bruticus' torso. Hasbro SDCC went went a pro-Bruticus torso deco while Takra went with a pro-Onslaught deco, thus making Takara Bruticus's torso be less gamee-accurate than the Hasbro version.Rated X wrote:Don’t you see a pattern here that just doesn’t seem right for a “wild card” ? Then to top it all off Takara changes Onslaught back to G1 colors to resemble the Hasbro retail version which is basically G1. My question is why not change Vortex too ? You got a G1 vibe going on with a piss arm.
I think an easier way to look at these figures is not to see them as their G1 selves since, well, they aren't meant to be. It's alright if wanted to repurpose the toys as being the G1 counterparts, that's cool. But does it really make that big of a difference for the "Renegade Decepticons" to not all have had the same color schemes as the bodies that Starscream built for them? I mean, is it really that impossible to imagine Vortex having gotten a new color when he changed bodies? I mean, Brawl was put into the gray body of B.O.T. temporarily, but he was still the same guy even though that body he was in was colored nothing like his regular body.Rated X wrote:I guess this is a sore spot for me because I don’t have a FOC shelf. I have a Golden Age of Cybertron classics shelf with certain FOC molds incorporated as stand ins. I plan to use FOC Bruticus as a centerpiece as the “renegade Decepticons” the Combaticons were referred to as in “Starscream’s Brigade”. So I need my grey Vortex. I might use metallic silver and blue and a lot of gloss on a Hasbro version. That will look nice…
OR unless they wanted to differentiate him from G1 Vortex. None of these guys HAD to be in G1 colors, but some were and some weren't. Why, Swindle was golden orange in G1 but FOC Swindle is tan. And FOC Blast Off is gold while G1 Blast Off was mostly purple and brown. And FOC Onslaught's already got his aforementioned color shifting weirdness between his combined and non-combined forms. The only one whose really colored G1 would be Brawl, but even then it's the wrong shade of green (G1 Brawl was olive green rtaher than FOC Brawl's forest green).Rated X wrote:And everyone in my group of chairs booed. Piss color on maroon was just an ugly choice that makes no sense historically or logically. Unless somebody either made a mistake or wanted to be funny.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I could have sworn I responded.Because Onslaught WAS blue in the game. He only changed to gray when he turned into Bruticus' torso. Hasbro SDCC went went a pro-Bruticus torso deco while Takra went with a pro-Onslaught deco, thus making Takara Bruticus's torso be less gamee-accurate than the Hasbro version.Rated X wrote:Don’t you see a pattern here that just doesn’t seem right for a “wild card” ? Then to top it all off Takara changes Onslaught back to G1 colors to resemble the Hasbro retail version which is basically G1. My question is why not change Vortex too ? You got a G1 vibe going on with a piss arm.I think an easier way to look at these figures is not to see them as their G1 selves since, well, they aren't meant to be. It's alright if wanted to repurpose the toys as being the G1 counterparts, that's cool. But does it really make that big of a difference for the "Renegade Decepticons" to not all have had the same color schemes as the bodies that Starscream built for them? I mean, is it really that impossible to imagine Vortex having gotten a new color when he changed bodies? I mean, Brawl was put into the gray body of B.O.T. temporarily, but he was still the same guy even though that body he was in was colored nothing like his regular body.Rated X wrote:I guess this is a sore spot for me because I don’t have a FOC shelf. I have a Golden Age of Cybertron classics shelf with certain FOC molds incorporated as stand ins. I plan to use FOC Bruticus as a centerpiece as the “renegade Decepticons” the Combaticons were referred to as in “Starscream’s Brigade”. So I need my grey Vortex. I might use metallic silver and blue and a lot of gloss on a Hasbro version. That will look nice…OR unless they wanted to differentiate him from G1 Vortex. None of these guys HAD to be in G1 colors, but some were and some weren't. Why, Swindle was golden orange in G1 but FOC Swindle is tan. And FOC Blast Off is gold while G1 Blast Off was mostly purple and brown. And FOC Onslaught's already got his aforementioned color shifting weirdness between his combined and non-combined forms. The only one whose really colored G1 would be Brawl, but even then it's the wrong shade of green (G1 Brawl was olive green rtaher than FOC Brawl's forest green).Rated X wrote:And everyone in my group of chairs booed. Piss color on maroon was just an ugly choice that makes no sense historically or logically. Unless somebody either made a mistake or wanted to be funny.
Yeah, so? That's an all encompassing line for the various generations of Transformers, including those of today. The Prime First Edition figures were even gonna be released in the Generations line at first before it was decided to give them their own packaging.Rated X wrote:Last time I checked FOC was being released under the "Generations" line.
TF: Prime isn't Bayverse. Every backstory episode it's had has called back to War for Cybertron, which has no ties to the Movieverse.Rated X wrote:Not Bayverse/TF Prime
Ratchet and Ironhide aren't those colors in TF: Prime, and Arcee's pink the Movieverse (her blue Target toy never appeared in the fiction).Rated X wrote:where Arcee is blue, Ratchet is green, Ironhide is black, etc.
Well... maybe they simply don't want to. Maybe they find the gray too drab or boring looking or something. Maybe they simply liked this new brighter deco better.Rated X wrote:And even those 3 molds ended up getting G1 color accurate repaints for the fans. Everybody keeps avoiding the question, why not Vortex ???
Funny thing about Whirl, he looks more like an homage to RiD Ro-Tor.Rated X wrote:And Im liking the idea of using the Whirl repaint. Maybe a kitbash with the Whirl helicopter parts with the purple limbs on from the Hasbro version. Maybe some blue dye can even be used to make the limbs more G1. Im feeling it...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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