craggy wrote:that comparison pic makes the G1 design look very "quaint". I think that Delicate Warrior would fit fine with a G1 collection, but, articulation aside, it just doesn't look very Classics.
Counterpunch wrote:craggy wrote:that comparison pic makes the G1 design look very "quaint". I think that Delicate Warrior would fit fine with a G1 collection, but, articulation aside, it just doesn't look very Classics.
Delicate Warrior is just as much, if not more posable than PE Arcee.
I like Motorbot but she does look somewhat out of place next to other Season 3 Classics characters.
I know a lot of people are getting an IDW vibe from the Perfect Effect toy but when you go back and compare images (where Arcee is drawn well and not like a techno-organic monster), Arcee is closer to the iGear rendition.
Both are good and obviously the iGear one has since disappeared but in my opinion, iGear is the better choice for a Classics style shelf.
The PE one for those that are wondering has the following flaws to deal with:
-the head is lacking detail and the pull-out ears are a hassle
-she's a bit of a parts-former (not a problem for me but maybe others)
-feet never really hit center of gravity
-arms feel really delicate (though they seem to be sturdy)
-chest will come apart during posing
-some massively tight joints
iGear's has the following flaws to deal with:
-general lack of detail (though it's cartoon accurate)
-chest does not lock
-legs don't have a specific locked home in alt mode
-feet are a bit small (stands fine but not like, never worry about it fine)
-one arm sits in place in alt mode, again, doesn't lock
-tough to get all four wheels down in alt mode.
Best part of PE Arcee? Crazy fun with guns and stuff to do.
Best part of iGear Arcee? Shockingly great articulation.
Counterpunch wrote:El Duque wrote:So how does this mold stack up to Delicate Warrior?
It's not a Classics Arcee. No way.
PE Arcee by ME_Counterpunch, on Flickr
Rated X wrote:I never understood the whole "not classics enough for me" argument.
For me "classics" means 2 things in robot mode:
1. Cartoon accurate (or at least giving off the original characters G1 vibe)
2. Articulated joints so it isnt like an 80's figure.
As far as alt modes, The whole "Neo look" thing only came about because Hasbro doesnt want to pay licensing fees to a bunch of car, boat, and airplane companies. So the "not" alt modes were born. And in some cases, alt modes like a boombox or a microscope had to be changed to make the figures more fun for kids. All this "classics aesthetics" talk is a joke in my opinion. Impossible Toys, and X-Transbot figures look great with Hasbro classics figures. As far as Motobot is concerned, The pink one aint G1 Arcee. But the blue one works well for G1 Chromia because her obscurity allows more room for flexibility in our imaginations. We expect G1 Arcee to look a certain way because she was a mainstream character.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Rated X wrote:I never understood the whole "not classics enough for me" argument.
For me "classics" means 2 things in robot mode:
1. Cartoon accurate (or at least giving off the original characters G1 vibe)
2. Articulated joints so it isnt like an 80's figure.
As far as alt modes, The whole "Neo look" thing only came about because Hasbro doesnt want to pay licensing fees to a bunch of car, boat, and airplane companies. So the "not" alt modes were born. And in some cases, alt modes like a boombox or a microscope had to be changed to make the figures more fun for kids. All this "classics aesthetics" talk is a joke in my opinion. Impossible Toys, and X-Transbot figures look great with Hasbro classics figures. As far as Motobot is concerned, The pink one aint G1 Arcee. But the blue one works well for G1 Chromia because her obscurity allows more room for flexibility in our imaginations. We expect G1 Arcee to look a certain way because she was a mainstream character.
I didn't fully understand what you were getting at, haha. At first it seemed like you were being more open to the designs while still being classic, and then PE Arcee is shutdown as G1 I see what you mean though.
It might not be G1 for most, but I'm able to allow my imagintion to stretch, and just see her bike mode (and related robot form) as just another evolution of her own form towards a different stage. I still see her as being "G1" as I see her as the same character from the toon, but then I add the personas of IDW in there, and animated, as different stages in her life that has finally brought her to this form. This is also coming from someone who only collects one mould per character, so you would have to keep that in mind (I try to keep only the best rendition that fits with all the other figures I consider the best of).
MINDVVIPE wrote:I tottaly see the Chromia in blue motobot, just like lots of others will be adding her as the classics chromia. I don't have a big problem with characters having a different than G1 alt. mode, and still being G1. Megatron is a tank in my collection, still G1 in my eyes since thats how I see his character. All up to you to have it any way you want, haha. Take your animated Blackarachnia and call it Airachnid coz you like her character better, or vice versa. Who cares, its all up to you.
Rated X wrote:You really gotta love how someone calls a comment a “rant” because they don’t like someone else’s opinion. If you agreed with my statement would I still be “ranting” ???
craggy wrote:Rated X wrote:You really gotta love how someone calls a comment a “rant” because they don’t like someone else’s opinion. If you agreed with my statement would I still be “ranting” ???
If you'd read any of my posts on here, you might find that I mostly do agree with you on a few particular subjects. I don't think there were any "wars" in the thread before you posted, rather there were a few people discussing things. Then you came in and felt the need to tell all us stupid people how it is. Because you, and only you, are right.
craggy wrote:Mind, I'm right there with on thinking about a true Classics Arcee. As it is currently looks like the pink Motobot is a little scarce, and therefore, getting more expensive. Should have pre-ordered I suppose, but wanted to hear reviews so I knew what I was getting into.
I'd say that I'll see if I can still get one in a couple weeks when I get paid, but honestly, I've not even ordered Giant yet, and there's a ton of other stuff, mostly official, even, that I want to get my hands on too. Arg! More moneys!
Blurrz wrote:
PE DX 01 is not necessary, Arcee isn't blue and Chromia isn't a bike. Fem bikes are Movie, Energon and Prime, not G1/Classics. I have no right to say what people should spend their money on but I really feel like $100 is a steep price to fiddle with a new TF mold, and if it's fixing your Sniper Recon Transformers/Robot fix, there's alternatives.
All in all this character just needs a bloody break, every Autobot doesn't need a gf.
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