Rated X wrote:I never bought into the whole "neo" concept as characters being modern takes of new characters. They were designed by Hasbro to be marketed to kids 5 and up. Todays kids wont find 1980s cars, jets, boomboxes, tape decks, or microscopes cool, so hasbro had no choice but to do away with their original alt modes. In my honest opinion, I believe "neo" only exists to generate better sales by attracting todays kids with what THEY THINK is cool. They dont want an 80s clunker. They want what they see on TV or in the streets. Anybody who thinks "neo" is a concept of modernization is just sugarcoating the kiddie appeal aspect and fooling themselves. Of course this is my personal opinion. Im not trying to offend anyone who believes the "neo" concept was done with adult collectors in mind. Granted many 3rd parties have rolled with the concept and created a huge following of adult collectors who dont want 80s alt modes. Thats why we see stuff like SXS Gears and the Igear Raptor squad which try to replicate a more Hasbroish look in both modes. But at the end of the day it all started because hasbro knew todays kids just wouldnt think a VW Beetle or a Lamborghini Countach is cool enough to play with. I personally have no problems displaying my Hegemon, Mania King, Artfeather Bumblebee, or IT mini bots with my so called "neo" figures made by Hasbro. If they could all be as cartoon accurate as the MP line but in classics scale, I would be super happy. But I cant have everything I want so I put up with the neo alt modes and try to keep in mind that hasbro makes these classics lines for kids first, and adult collectors are an afterthought. Besides I display them all in robot mode anyways.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
i agree with this statement.megatronus wrote:If Classics is comprised of just kiddie toys, why homage 80's characters?
shajaki wrote:i agree with this statement.megatronus wrote:If Classics is comprised of just kiddie toys, why homage 80's characters?
however if youre looking at the first few waves of classics i can see where one could get the notion of "kiddie" toys (im looking at you nerf megatron). but when cyclonus and company hit shelves it got considerably grown up. i can imagine the seeker mold being much different if it were released further down the line instead of one of the first out of the gate.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
ha! totally. the seeker mold has its shortcomings, but i own almost every official version (and 10 or so KO's). honestly i think my favorites are the coneheads. for some reason when i got ramjet i just couldnt put him down.megatronus wrote:I 100% agree that the line has certainly evolved in terms of scope, engineering, and purpose, and I believe your assertion that it started as a kids line is probably accurate. Thankfully, no longer!
Also, the Seeker mold.
Doesn't stop me from owning a bajillion versions of it, and I'm glad we have some modern substitutes (FE/FOC molds, Armada Starscream, etc.), but still...
shajaki wrote:ha! totally. the seeker mold has its shortcomings, but i own almost every official version (and 10 or so KO's). honestly i think my favorites are the coneheads. for some reason when i got ramjet i just couldnt put him down.megatronus wrote:I 100% agree that the line has certainly evolved in terms of scope, engineering, and purpose, and I believe your assertion that it started as a kids line is probably accurate. Thankfully, no longer!
Also, the Seeker mold.
Doesn't stop me from owning a bajillion versions of it, and I'm glad we have some modern substitutes (FE/FOC molds, Armada Starscream, etc.), but still...
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
you dont own one classic seeker? my dog has three classic seekers.Delta Magnus wrote:I'm sad to say I don't own a single Classics Seeker. I kinda wish they'd made that mold a Voyager so it would scale well in jet mode with the deluxe cars. It's still a nifty looking mold though, and I do intend to get at least 1. I'm thinking it would look really good in "realistic" F15 colours.
sure the old guys are dated now, but it was simpler times. and i cant believe you said that about the constructicons! they are easily my favorite sub group and id be hard pressed to call them dated. have construction vehicles changed much in the last 30 years?Delta Magnus wrote:On topic, I personally prefer modern updates to perfect representations. Simply put, a lot of the older designs are really, really dated, and some were stupid to start with (Megatron turning into a gun is a bit like if Darth Vader turned into his own lightsaber to be wielded by a Storm Trooper- unbelievably ******). Also, some of the robot mode character models were just plain ugly- Ironhide and Ratchet were bland piles of boxes, Gears looked like a deformed munchkin, and the Constructicons...ugh!
shajaki wrote:you dont own one classic seeker? my dog has three classic seekers.Delta Magnus wrote:I'm sad to say I don't own a single Classics Seeker. I kinda wish they'd made that mold a Voyager so it would scale well in jet mode with the deluxe cars. It's still a nifty looking mold though, and I do intend to get at least 1. I'm thinking it would look really good in "realistic" F15 colours.sure the old guys are dated now, but it was simpler times. and i cant believe you said that about the constructicons! they are easily my favorite sub group and id be hard pressed to call them dated. have construction vehicles changed much in the last 30 years?Delta Magnus wrote:On topic, I personally prefer modern updates to perfect representations. Simply put, a lot of the older designs are really, really dated, and some were stupid to start with (Megatron turning into a gun is a bit like if Darth Vader turned into his own lightsaber to be wielded by a Storm Trooper- unbelievably ******). Also, some of the robot mode character models were just plain ugly- Ironhide and Ratchet were bland piles of boxes, Gears looked like a deformed munchkin, and the Constructicons...ugh!
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
well, that and it was an 80's kids cartoon. i think they put way more effort into than they had to. the premise alone is pretty impressive. but as far as animation and design goes, remember the first scene where the autobots all transform one after another (sorta) for the first time? it was phenominal!Delta Magnus wrote:Of course, they were basing the cartoon designs off of the toys, but they could have done a better job I feel.
shajaki wrote:well, that and it was an 80's kids cartoon. i think they put way more effort into than they had to. the premise alone is pretty impressive. but as far as animation and design goes, remember the first scene where the autobots all transform one after another (sorta) for the first time? it was phenominal!Delta Magnus wrote:Of course, they were basing the cartoon designs off of the toys, but they could have done a better job I feel.
and remember: designs could have been worse. much worse. compare the G1 S1 toys to the show characters. ironhide and ratchet didnt even have heads. i think the cartoon designers did a pretty good job.
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