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Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Slapshot » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:32 pm

http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... ion_id=317

Stack a mission anyway you want we are all at the mercy of the RNG.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Dragonslayer » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:29 am

Am I the only one here who doesn't have MSN? :? :P Guess I better get on it, huh?

I have AIM, but I hardly use it anymore (far too busy with school), but I am always checking the boards, both HMWGD and Iacon. It's not hard to reach me, it just might be a tad inconvienent (sp?).

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Slapshot » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:13 am

I use msn and yahoo. Slapshot2008 for msn and scatterbound for yahoo.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Orion_Prime48 » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:57 pm

Well for me all ive seen is that the Decepticons are better communications whise and yes we got our asses kicked bad in the tournament I know myself I do contact with a few Autobots and yes a few Decepticons and a Pred I think that if the Maxis would have been more Maxis we couldve maybe stood a better chance at winning the tourny

but lets stop giving them the communications advantage its really killing us and I want to win the next tournie add me to your MSN: Twistarhymes@yahoo.com and next time lets kick some Deceptichops!!

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Snoball » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:26 pm

Honestly EP I think we have to look back when we did beat them . Back when I was in the AWC we beat them twice , once by one mission and the second we blew them out of the water ( who could forget the lovely sig that whisper made dynamax :D ) We were more organized back thgen for sure, lots of msn convo's going , people saving there best bot for the mission's, those were great times.

I think we were able to do all this because we had mini games, bounty hunts , ect. I really think we have to look at what worked because I see lots of people in missions with me that I know nothing about and it would be great if we all came out of our shells and at least said hello, and if you want to say hi to me my msn is edwardb_@hotmail.com

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Slapshot » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:26 pm

There is a way to mess with them all be it may not work. Each bot team takes one con team, we used this the first 3 tourneys and it worked from a con point of view. We didnt stand a chance against UOP,Jadetiger and the other high level bots and getting the high cons at that time to help was nearly impossible. What we did was counter a team, say Burn had the guardians, I had 1 and so on. It worked to a degree but if your fighting with a level 5 on a level 8 its nearly impossible to win unless the RNG acts up. If you can counter the bulk of them the missions are yours. Then again youll have to get everyone on the same page and bring the others back to play.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Evolution Prime » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:14 pm

I knew you guys used the spotters to look for missions that popped up and then conveyed that to the rest using MSN and/or YIM. It is seen by how fast the missions fill up on the 'Cons side.

The 'Cons are great at organizing their side for the tournament. The communicate what each one of them has available and what will be available when. This gives them the advantage of putting the correct alt modes, and the best troops available in the missions. The 'Cons get in fast so the casual HMW player doesn't get in and throw a wrench into their plans.

We on the other hand, have been lacking in that communication area. We do not have an established communication network. Our ineffective communication lets in the casual participants who just throw their guys into missions that don't care or participate in the tournament.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Slapshot » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:37 pm

Being an ex-con I should at least give you guys a little inside info on how we used to work tourneys.

1. Always have spotters, not just 1 but 2. One on all messengers and one on the boards posting the missions for those that cant use them. Using 2 or 3 open windows at a time to cut down on the post time.
2. Planning. planning. planning a mission will only go your way if you have the proper number of rammers to strafers and avoiders. Only use avoiders in a must have to situation, your gonna need all the shots you can pull since your going to be normally out numbered.
3. Spread the teams out even and dont overload 1 if it costs you 3 loses in a row.
4. I hate to say it but use what configuration your bot can win with without over ramping. ( there are still a few that really play on the up and up still)
5. In the end its a combined effort of all not just a few. We will need to remind the other players that havent come back that we still need them.
6. If you lose, blame the RNG. Any bot or con can win at anytime this game is quirky.

I hope that helps. :grin:

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by ashe5k » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:04 pm

Tifereth wrote:
Evolution Prime wrote:Yeah there is. Dev, Den-O, Overloaded, and some others don't post over there as much now.


The ones i see posting are: EP and i do frequently, jazzrules is not posting lately, wheelimus is always spamming :D (just a joke ^_^), maybe im forgetting someone else :-P .


I stand corrected. :P lol

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by jazzrules » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:08 pm

Tifereth wrote:
Evolution Prime wrote:Yeah there is. Dev, Den-O, Overloaded, and some others don't post over there as much now.


The ones i see posting are: EP and i do frequently, jazzrules is not posting lately, wheelimus is always spamming :D (just a joke ^_^), maybe im forgetting someone else :-P .


I'm posting when I get chance, but I've got a lot of work to do at the moment. After I've handed my dissertation in on the 29th, I'll be posting a lot more than present. That's one reason why I didn't participate in the tournament, I just don't have time to check mission logs and post kills.

I am, however, keeping an eye on the discussions

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Tifereth » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:51 pm

Evolution Prime wrote:Yeah there is. Dev, Den-O, Overloaded, and some others don't post over there as much now.


The ones i see posting are: EP and i do frequently, jazzrules is not posting lately, wheelimus is always spamming :D (just a joke ^_^), maybe im forgetting someone else :-P .

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Evolution Prime » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:43 pm

Yeah there is. Dev, Den-O, Overloaded, and some others don't post over there as much now.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Tifereth » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:39 am

ashe5k wrote:...

One of our other big problems is that Iacon is kind of a ghost town. Not that we have very many bots posting in the HMW GD, but we have even fewer it seems posting here...


There r fewer bots in GD than here.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by ChocolateThunder » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:24 am

I'm behind what most of you have said. I'm with Dragonslayer though, just once I'd like to come out on top.

I wish I could have MSN at work but I think EP and I are in the same boat with that.
CT

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by ashe5k » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:49 am

Maybe next time have someone or a team os someone's on the lookout for the missions that are eligible and which ones can use the back-up and post them. I know there were a couple of us posting missions that we could actively see and needed back-up in but what about the ones we weren't posting about?

One of our other big problems is that Iacon is kind of a ghost town. Not that we have very many bots posting in the HMW GD, but we have even fewer it seems posting here.

MSN is another great option. I know I have mine as an option in my profile but I'm not sure everyone does. Maybe a thread posting the various MSN addies and people's levels for people so we can get on and yell at people for back-up. That might help as well.

Getting into the habit of having a reliable back-up service now would only strengthen us come tourney time.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Slapshot » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:00 am

Sorry I missed the fun but hopefully I can help next time.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Evolution Prime » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:24 pm

Everything will be fine. The 'Cons are a more active group and have the better communication as well. It didn't help that HMW being down lately drove off the more active Autobots. We just have to work on getting better organized and get communications back up the way used to have it.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Snoball » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:31 am

Dragonslayer wrote:Well, Autobots. We lost another one. Pretty soundly this time, too. I guess the only thing we can do now is lick our wounds, try to figure out what we did wrong or what we could've done and figure out how to fix it.


Ya know, just once I'd like to be a winner around this place. Not just myself, but the entire faction. Just once, is that too much to ask for?

I dunno, I'm feeling sick right now, I'm going to bed...hopefully things will be better all around soon.


Shake it off dude , its the same old story , they out number us in the higher levels. It is getting better though we are slowly making ground in that department. Just keep building your teams stronger and keep the communication lines open. When it comes to tournys the Cons orginize very well, something as a faction we all need to improve.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Dragonslayer » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:54 am

Well, Autobots. We lost another one. Pretty soundly this time, too. I guess the only thing we can do now is lick our wounds, try to figure out what we did wrong or what we could've done and figure out how to fix it.


Ya know, just once I'd like to be a winner around this place. Not just myself, but the entire faction. Just once, is that too much to ask for?

I dunno, I'm feeling sick right now, I'm going to bed...hopefully things will be better all around soon.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Evolution Prime » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:29 pm

We have a bit of a disturming trend here as of late. We are winning the Pred missions but losing a vast majoiry against the Decepticons. We need to get our numbers up in the 'Con tournament missions. We gladly jump and out number the 1 or 2 Preds in their missions but then will leave your fellow Autobot outnumbered 2-1 or 3-1 in the Decepticon missions. Granted, the Preds that are in the missions are of the higher level, but we need to get our guys into the 'Con missions as well. There is no reason that we can not fill those up as well. Save one or two of your guys to get into tourney missions so we can fill them up. That way we have at least half a chance of winning the mission.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Orion_Prime48 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:00 am

Im joining in all elligible missions I can but I agree with DragonSlayer it would definitely help if there were more elligible missions

Kill Count= 2

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Evolution Prime » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:42 am

WE spotted them a lead but we can get back in this. Granted, th tournament was started when the most 'Cons were active so we were already at a disadvantage. We have the guys to get back into this. Just play smart. Have one over every level you have ready to get into missions. We need to get into mission as fast as possible because I know the 'Cons will get in there fast as well. We need to even the mission numbers up else they will slaughter us. Getting in there fast will prevent us from getting outnumbered and backup coming to help us out. I suggest that when the mission are severely outnumbered with little time remaining for back up to arrive, that you do not enter in it to prevent the 'Cons from getting more kills. They will already have won the mission if we were severely outnumbered. It would be of no use to throw some of your top guys in there when they would be in the CR Chamber for an hour and prevent you from helping out elsewhere.

I ask you guys to play smart and get into the "0" missions and we can get back into this. Most of all, have fun at this.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Tifereth » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:40 pm

Im not posting any kills, but im tracking those 0 mission as much as i can. I have levels 8, 7, 6, 5 and 4; that is a good advantage, i guess, for me ^^.

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Dragonslayer » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:27 pm

Just checked the score. We're down 75-52. We need to step it up, Autobots!

...Course, it probably would help if any eligible missions showed up more often :BANG_HEAD:

Re: Echoes of the Past Tournament-- Discussion Thread

Post by Snoball » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:53 am

neliz wrote:
Snoball wrote:
neliz wrote:We'll make sure the AWC gets represented.

Like Tif said this isnt the AWC vs RDD, its Good vs Evil. If us " The Good " are to win this it will take everyone's help, every Bot and every Maximal!


Somebody has to lead the way?!

anyway, I just said that the AWC gets represented.


It's all good bud , just wanted you to know there's a great number of us who will fight by your side who are not AWC. As for leading the way , I like to think we all lead the way. Look forward to fighting by your side or being whisper meat shield :P ethier way I am being useful :D

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