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by **Light Blade** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:10 pm

Evolution Prime wrote:Higher courage is going to let you attack more, but I am unsure if there is a waiting period. I am not a strafing expert. I'm more of a ground assault specialist. Someone that uses strafe may know better than me.

Thanks anyway EP. Back to the old drawing board then..... #-o

by **Evolution Prime** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:54 pm

Higher courage is going to let you attack more, but I am unsure if there is a waiting period. I am not a strafing expert. I'm more of a ground assault specialist. Someone that uses strafe may know better than me.

by **Light Blade** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:50 pm

Evolution Prime wrote:That is always a good reason.

And to finally answer Light Blade's concern. Stun was never fully fleshed out on the effects. Endurance may limit the effects of stun the higher it is. The larger the amount of strength greater than your opponent may affct it as well. So it may not be the amount of strength but the difference between the two opponents strength that causes a higher stun effect. One point difference may not make a huge difference.

Thanks a lot EP - I did some experimenting myself by lowering Shads' stat to nine for a couple of days and it seemed to me that I got stunned a lot and for a long time. Whereas before at strength ten seemed to respond after a much quicker delay. As a result I think I'm going to stick with strength 10 after all. Thanks for all your work though EP.

By the way do you know if Strafe has a cool down time after use? It seems from most of my arena logs that after a strafe attack I don't attack for nearly a minute afterwards although this appears to depend on the amount of courage I have.

by **Evolution Prime** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:51 pm

That is always a good reason.

And to finally answer Light Blade's concern. Stun was never fully fleshed out on the effects. Endurance may limit the effects of stun the higher it is. The larger the amount of strength greater than your opponent may affct it as well. So it may not be the amount of strength but the difference between the two opponents strength that causes a higher stun effect. One point difference may not make a huge difference.

by **vaporretarder** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:32 pm

yea, the only reason I'm even keeping this alt is because I already have a crap-ton of the most expensive rank 6 armour installed on already and I don't feel like paying for it again haha.

by **Evolution Prime** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:18 pm

Yeah it was cool while it lasted. Until people abused the crap out of it.

by **vaporretarder** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:36 am

well if it's not possible for a bot to repair itself in the arena I'll revise my stats to something like this,...kinda sucks that repairing yourself isn't possible haha.

Strength 10
Intelligence 0
Speed 10
Endurance 8
Rank 6
Courage 7
Firepower 10
Skill 0
Strafe 10
repair 0

by **Evolution Prime** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:40 am

Like with Firebird, very solid set up.

Strafe is a decently hard set up to become truely effective against rammers. You sacrifice strength to get your firepower up. That means less armor you can wear which means the more damage you take. Rammers pretty much rule the arena.

And I'm waiting for a response from my contact on your question, Light Blade.

by **Light Blade** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:27 am

Well I've been playing round for a while now trying to find a decent strafe set up - and to be honest it is much harder to achieve a decent strafe set up for 25k than a good rammer as a result I'm strongly tempted to go rammer style unless EP can dig up some stats on how vulnerable to stun a bot with strength 9 would be to a strength 10 ram 10 ram set up

Anyway her's my potential ram/avoid set-up:

alt medium vehicle

Strength 10
Intelligence 0
Speed 10
Endurance 9
Rank 6
Courage 9
Firepower 0
Skill 0
avoid* 10
ram* 10

by **Evolution Prime** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:47 pm

Repair is useless as you can't repair yourself. That was tried out a while ago where you could repair your self. Some exploited it and made enduring repairers where it basically took forever to complete an arena match. Everyone got massive amounts of xp for it. It dragged the game down. So the ability to repair yourself was taken away and time limits were added to the matches.

If you want dual tactics, go for avoid with an offensive tactic. The high speed everyone is going to have will make if the most effective. Picking ram with strafe or vice versa will hurt the secondary tactic because you will not have the strength or firepower to fully support both to make them effective.

by **Orion_Prime48** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:38 pm

ty good sir. I just hope I did that form right

by **Neo Crusader** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:09 pm

Orion_Prime48 wrote: where do I sign up for this biotch?

Here. They're calling it a "sign up" thread

by **Orion_Prime48** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:54 pm

Light Blade wrote:Have you tried changing alt mode? The cheaper strafe costs might let you keep endurance 10, otherwise I think your set up seems sorted, good luck!

alt mode no ima little OCD so I wanna keep him in the same alt if possible

where do I sign up for this biotch?

by **vaporretarder** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:37 pm

Light Blade wrote:
vaporretarder wrote:just because I did average last round I'm going to go out on a limb this time,...and plus I won't be having toooo much time to devote to the game for awhile anyways this summer.

I decided to go with a strafe/repair setup haha,..mainly because I hadn't seen ANYONE have a repair setup last round at all,...I know it's mainly geared towards the missions and not areana matches, but again,...I'm just playin around a bit heh.

here's my setup

Aerial Rescue Vehicle
Experience spent: 18,183,500xp
Number of upgrades: 67
Level: 7 (+1 to L8)

Strength 10
Intelligence 5
Speed 10
Endurance 7
Rank 6
Courage 6
Firepower 9
Skill 0
Repair* 4
Strafe* 10

no weapon just bare knuckles and a BAD temper
and 10 tons of Nucleon Tempered Titanium armour

Are we getting missions this time around?
Orion_Prime48 wrote:only way I can get to 10 strafe is if I drop crg to 8 and End to 9

Alt: Fighter
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 0
Speed 10
Endurance 9
Rank 6
Courage 8
Firepower 10
Skill 3

Avoid 0
Strafe 10

and I could make him dual tactic cause it leaves me with 2 mill extra which would let him have 4 avoid with no higher cause it would bring me into level 8. overall that sounds like a damn good setup

and this is the most ive posted on these forums in almost a year lol

Have you tried changing alt mode? The cheaper strafe costs might let you keep endurance 10, otherwise I think your set up seems sorted, good luck!

I WISH we'd get missions, but I severely doubt it,....I'm just doing a strafe/repair bot for laughs :-)

.....although it probably would kick MUCH decepticon tail in a mission format :-)

by **Light Blade** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:28 pm

vaporretarder wrote:just because I did average last round I'm going to go out on a limb this time,...and plus I won't be having toooo much time to devote to the game for awhile anyways this summer.

I decided to go with a strafe/repair setup haha,..mainly because I hadn't seen ANYONE have a repair setup last round at all,...I know it's mainly geared towards the missions and not areana matches, but again,...I'm just playin around a bit heh.

here's my setup

Aerial Rescue Vehicle
Experience spent: 18,183,500xp
Number of upgrades: 67
Level: 7 (+1 to L8)

Strength 10
Intelligence 5
Speed 10
Endurance 7
Rank 6
Courage 6
Firepower 9
Skill 0
Repair* 4
Strafe* 10

no weapon just bare knuckles and a BAD temper
and 10 tons of Nucleon Tempered Titanium armour

Are we getting missions this time around?

Orion_Prime48 wrote:only way I can get to 10 strafe is if I drop crg to 8 and End to 9

Alt: Fighter
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 0
Speed 10
Endurance 9
Rank 6
Courage 8
Firepower 10
Skill 3

Avoid 0
Strafe 10

and I could make him dual tactic cause it leaves me with 2 mill extra which would let him have 4 avoid with no higher cause it would bring me into level 8. overall that sounds like a damn good setup

and this is the most ive posted on these forums in almost a year lol

Have you tried changing alt mode? The cheaper strafe costs might let you keep endurance 10, otherwise I think your set up seems sorted, good luck!

by **vaporretarder** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:09 pm

just because I did average last round I'm going to go out on a limb this time,...and plus I won't be having toooo much time to devote to the game for awhile anyways this summer.

I decided to go with a strafe/repair setup haha,..mainly because I hadn't seen ANYONE have a repair setup last round at all,...I know it's mainly geared towards the missions and not areana matches, but again,...I'm just playin around a bit heh.

here's my setup

Aerial Rescue Vehicle
Experience spent: 18,183,500xp
Number of upgrades: 67
Level: 7 (+1 to L8)

Strength 10
Intelligence 5
Speed 10
Endurance 7
Rank 6
Courage 6
Firepower 9
Skill 0
Repair* 4
Strafe* 10

no weapon just bare knuckles and a BAD temper
and 10 tons of Nucleon Tempered Titanium armour

by **Orion_Prime48** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:28 pm

only way I can get to 10 strafe is if I drop crg to 8 and End to 9

Alt: Fighter
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 0
Speed 10
Endurance 9
Rank 6
Courage 8
Firepower 10
Skill 3

Avoid 0
Strafe 10

and I could make him dual tactic cause it leaves me with 2 mill extra which would let him have 4 avoid with no higher cause it would bring me into level 8. overall that sounds like a damn good setup

and this is the most ive posted on these forums in almost a year lol

by **Light Blade** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:25 pm

Orion_Prime48 wrote:Alt: Fighter
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 0
Speed 10
Endurance 10
Rank 6
Courage 9
Firepower 9
Skill 3

Avoid 0
Strafe 7

heres what I got now seems like its good and I cant go any higher on anything or ill go over 25mill

but if I take 1 off courage I can get 10 frp

I'd do that - courage 8 will still be good. If you don't have FP 10 there is no point in the skill 3 so you might as well stick those points back into avoid - without FP 10 they serve no real purpose

If you want to reduce Exp costs try switching to an alt mode with a lower cost for Strafe eg: Airplane alt mode base cost is 3,000 and the Weapon alt mode base cost for Strafe is only 1000 that should allow you to max out strafe if you have enough spare points left over

If your still short on exp you could consider taking one point off of endurance but I don't think you'll need to.

This config is better than your last one - but I'd suggest if you really want to cause some big damage you've got to somehow max out strafe. Otherwise it's a solid setup you'll have great survivability in the arena - I'm just worried you don't have enough offensive power to fully use the advantages you've given yourself

by **Orion_Prime48** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:09 pm

Alt: Fighter
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 0
Speed 10
Endurance 10
Rank 6
Courage 9
Firepower 9
Skill 3

Avoid 0
Strafe 7

heres what I got now seems like its good and I cant go any higher on anything or ill go over 25mill

but if I take 1 off courage I can get 10 frp

by **Orion_Prime48** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:59 pm

hmmm thats a good point lol thnx.

gotta say I feel like a n00b with all these questions guess it comes from me never being higher than a level 3 lol

by **Light Blade** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:14 pm

Orion_Prime48 wrote:heres what im thinkin of for my Wing-Saber

Strength: 7
Intelligence: 0
Speed 10
Endurance 10
Rank 6
Courage 10
Firepower 8
Skill 1

Avoid 9
Strafe 6

not sure on armor or weapon yet

im not sure about the dual tactic thing yet ive done it once and it killed that bot in scores so I might remove some avoid to add some skill.

whaddy u guys think?

I'd advise against making avoid your primary tactic - I tried that in round one and I was soundly whipped. It's also an idea to go through the weapons list so you have at least some idea of what you may use - if your going to use a strafer you should have FP 10 anyway; I'd recommend getting skill 3 so you can use the Gatling gun (FP 10, SK 3) - it's a very effective weapon.

Unless your loaded on energon rank six for armor is about all you want as anything higher is very expensive to equip - so that's fine and probably what most others will be using

I'd suggest you try playing around with your stats a little, try to get strafe to 10 (take the points away from avoid if you can first of all before reducing your main stats). I think your decision of high speed and endurance will help - good call there, try not to sacrifice strength to much either or you'll be vulnerable to being stunned, which will put a damper on your chances; you don't want to go lower than 7 anyway.

Hope that helped.

by **Orion_Prime48** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:10 pm

heres what im thinkin of for my Wing-Saber

Strength: 7
Intelligence: 0
Speed 10
Endurance 10
Rank 6
Courage 10
Firepower 8
Skill 1

Avoid 9
Strafe 6

not sure on armor or weapon yet

im not sure about the dual tactic thing yet ive done it once and it killed that bot in scores so I might remove some avoid to add some skill.

whaddy u guys think?

by **Evolution Prime** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:24 am

With a ram/strafe set up, not only you have to worry about strength for your ram, but you have to worry about firepower for strafe. I think you would be hard pressed to get an an outstanding set up for that with only 25 million. Not saying you can't make a decent one, just not as effective as you may want it for this. A pure rammer will let you a lot of damage with just its ram, but if you trigger strafe and it isn't at full power you might not do the damage you would with if it just triggered ram.

I think if you go dual tactic the best bet would be a ram/avoid or a strafe/avoid combo because hopefully you can avoid one of their attacks and then lay one on them of yours.

by **Light Blade** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:33 am

ChocolateThunder wrote:My problem was trying to get to lvl 7 with only 25mil xp. I'm thinking the best alts to use will be the ram/avoid dual tactic ones because a single tactic will almost force you to use a weapon just to make it to level 7. I'm a believer in using nuclear knuckles so I would rather NOT have to use a weapon if I can make an alt work that way.

Here's what I've got in mind:
alt:Medium Vehicle
str:10
int:0
spd:10
end:10
rnk:6
cour:8
frp:0
skl:0
ram:10
avoid:5

total xp used: 21,108,500
Comments?

have you considered a ram strafe combo - could be a bit exp heavy but it could prove useful.

Other wise you set-up looks ace, if only we could test them before hand. I reckon you've got a winning set up there CT nice work!

by **ChocolateThunder** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:24 pm

My problem was trying to get to lvl 7 with only 25mil xp. I'm thinking the best alts to use will be the ram/avoid dual tactic ones because a single tactic will almost force you to use a weapon just to make it to level 7. I'm a believer in using nuclear knuckles so I would rather NOT have to use a weapon if I can make an alt work that way.

Here's what I've got in mind:
alt:Medium Vehicle
str:10
int:0
spd:10
end:10
rnk:6
cour:8
frp:0
skl:0
ram:10
avoid:5

total xp used: 21,108,500
Comments?