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Cyber Bishop wrote:

Sonray wrote:You suspended tramp for expressing his opinion?

As far as i saw he never broke any TOS rules, he never swore or flamed anyone or baited them, he just wouldnt shut up about something that wasnt a pressing issue that hadnt had a mod step in prior to tell people to shut up about, so why did you suspend him?

If anything the other guy should be suspended for calling him an "arsehole", that alone beats anything tramp may have done.

Im not really trying to stand up for tramp here as he gets on my nerves too but i cant ignore the fact that i did not see him break any TOS rules here.

Seems like you just suspended him cos you can...

I suspended him because I had a mountain of complaints about him and his "I am right" attitude. He refused to respect others opinions and argued constantly.
I don't care what you saw or if you agree with it quite frankly, I and other staff are the ones that got the PM complaints about him not you.
I suspended him because we (the taff) have had enough of his constant arguing with everyone that did not see his point..
If you don't like it then I am sorry.
End of story.

Edit: sorry was going to post something in Tramps defence but changed my mind to sending a pm and acidentaly cliked the post button not thinking

The Master Blaster wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, it is dead on. Even in the comics and such, Before Megatron created the Decepticon faction, all Cybertronians were considered Autobots. They're the "default" element of the Cybertronian society. This is mentioned on page 3 of MtMtE #8.

Re-he-ealy...do you remember when MTMTE didn't exist? I do and seeing as Dreamwave went under screwing several revered TF artist and writers over in the process the Dreamwave continuity is null and void and no longer considered canon.

Yours AK

ZING!


Also,

Where the hell is High Command these days anyway? He's the one who usually derails everything!

I don't think Bay did "get this wrong". In this continuity, it makes sense that they were all originally Autobots and that the Decepticons were a splintered-off faction. Prime implies this. That may not be how it was in other continuities but it works for this one. It's implied in the movie itself (and in issue #1 of the prequel comics).

Cyber Bishop wrote:I suspended him because we (the taff) have had enough of his constant arguing with everyone that did not see his point.

Wow! I wasn't aware this place was run by the Welsh these days! Keep up the good work boyo!

Yours AK

Leonardo wrote:I don't think Bay did "get this wrong". In this continuity, it makes sense that they were all originally Autobots and that the Decepticons were a splintered-off faction. Prime implies this. That may not be how it was in other continuities but it works for this one. It's implied in the movie itself (and in issue #1 of the prequel comics).

In that case, Megatron and his troops were all Autobots at heart?

Must be quite an effort for them to erase their original Autobot tatoo, and replace it with the new Decepticon tatoo.

If all Cybertronians were originally Autobots... Why would each one of them even need to have an Autobot tatoo?

Maybe it's about time we humans should design a "Homo Sapiens" tatoo, and have each and every human be marked with it.

Unless you're an outcast or say, a terrorist.

Auto Bot wrote:If all Cybertronians were originally Autobots... Why would each one of them even need to have an Autobot tatoo?

Well the sensible answer to that is the Autobot race is at war, a civil war. The Autobot and Decepticon insignia were designed to indicated what faction you were fighting for. Think of them more as part of their uniform than thier 'skin'. As we saw in the movie these TFs can change ther altmode and robot mode at whim, erasing or changing a small detail like a faction badge would be effortless.

Yours AK

Hi guys (my first post). My question is if the Cybertonians are all autobots and the Allspark created life on Cybertron, why is it that on Earth the Allspark only seems to create Decepticons?

I apologize if this has been discussed before.

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:If all Cybertronians were originally Autobots... Why would each one of them even need to have an Autobot tatoo?

Well the sensible answer to that is the Autobot race is at war, a civil war. The Autobot and Decepticon insignia were designed to indicated what faction you were fighting for. Think of them more as part of their uniform than thier 'skin'. As we saw in the movie these TFs can change ther altmode and robot mode at whim, erasing or changing a small detail like a faction badge would be effortless.

Yours AK

But in this movie's continuity, Autobot is a specie. NOT a faction. Only the Decepticons renege, and form its own faction. While the Autobots remains a specie, didn't downgrade itself into a faction.
It's not like America vs Japan, where each can carry their own flag at war. It's more like Human Race vs Japan. Japan has its flag, understandably. But should Human Race have its own flag as well? I'm sure we would carry the United Nations flag instead, but not a Human Race flag.

Auto Bot wrote:But in this movie's continuity, Autobot is a specie. NOT a faction. Only the Decepticons renege, and form its own faction. While the Autobots remains a specie, didn't downgrade itself into a faction.
It's not like America vs Japan, where each can carry their own flag at war. It's more like Human Race vs Japan. Japan has its flag, understandably. But should Human Race have its own flag as well? I'm sure we would carry the United Nations flag instead, but not a Human Race flag.

I dont think you're quite gasping what I ment. What I am proposing is there was either no Autobot insignia untill the Deceptiocons begin the war or the Autobot insignia was a global insigina for the Autobot race. The Decepticons created their insignia to seperate themselves from the rest of the Autobots as an apposing faction. The remaining Autobots then adopted the Autobot insignia (be it new or otherwise) as a signifyer of their alliegence to the original values of the Autobot race. I supsect this would be mainly be for the practicality of avoiding getting themselves killed by friendly fire, much like human soldiers will were their flags, unit identifyiers and so during a war.

What you're best comparing it with is a civil war like the American Civil War for instance. The non-establisment faction of the nationality(or race) of America 'the Confederates' addopted the new Conferate flag, the establishment 'the Union' fought under the the original Union flag. The difference being the case of the Autobots it was a global civil war.

Yours AK

Leonardo wrote:I don't think Bay did "get this wrong". In this continuity, it makes sense that they were all originally Autobots and that the Decepticons were a splintered-off faction. Prime implies this. That may not be how it was in other continuities but it works for this one. It's implied in the movie itself (and in issue #1 of the prequel comics).

It is also the way the Dreamwave comics handled it as well. The "Autobots" were the default, the Decepticons splintered off from them. As for the faction symbols, apparently, they both descend from a more ancient emblem which was a combination of the two.

Yeah, it's like the Megatron Origin comics. They're shwing the Decepticons to be a renegade race. Kinda like... The renegades?

Tramp wrote:It is also the way the Dreamwave comics handled it as well. The "Autobots" were the default, the Decepticons splintered off from them. As for the faction symbols, apparently, they both descend from a more ancient emblem which was a combination of the two.

Damolisher wrote:Yeah, it's like the Megatron Origin comics. They're shwing the Decepticons to be a renegade race. Kinda like... The renegades?

Indeed but as has been pointed out time and time again that has nothing to do with the movie, the movie is a totally new continuity with a new background and new rules.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:It is also the way the Dreamwave comics handled it as well. The "Autobots" were the default, the Decepticons splintered off from them. As for the faction symbols, apparently, they both descend from a more ancient emblem which was a combination of the two.

Damolisher wrote:Yeah, it's like the Megatron Origin comics. They're shwing the Decepticons to be a renegade race. Kinda like... The renegades?

Indeed but as has been pointed out time and time again that has nothing to do with the movie, the movie is a totally new continuity with a new background and new rules.

Yours AK

Regardless, Leonardo specifically asked if it was handled the same way in other continuities. I and Damolisher answered that question.

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:It is also the way the Dreamwave comics handled it as well. The "Autobots" were the default, the Decepticons splintered off from them. As for the faction symbols, apparently, they both descend from a more ancient emblem which was a combination of the two.

Damolisher wrote:Yeah, it's like the Megatron Origin comics. They're shwing the Decepticons to be a renegade race. Kinda like... The renegades?

Indeed but as has been pointed out time and time again that has nothing to do with the movie, the movie is a totally new continuity with a new background and new rules.

Yours AK

That's a good point. There's not enough information from the movie to be sure.

Tramp wrote:Regardless, Leonardo specifically asked if it was handled the same way in other continuities. I and Damolisher answered that question.

Ermmmmm...no he didn't.

Leonardo wrote:That may not be how it was in other continuities but it works for this one. It's implied in the movie itself (and in issue #1 of the prequel comics).

Leonardo knows his stuff, he is pointing out that although in other continuities it may not be the case in the movie continuity the Decepticons are renegade Autobots. He never specifically asked to be giving irrelivent information about totally seperate continuties.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Regardless, Leonardo specifically asked if it was handled the same way in other continuities. I and Damolisher answered that question.

Ermmmmm...no he didn't.

Yours AK

Yes he did, jusdt not in the form of a question. Here is his post (bold mine for emphasis).

Leonardo wrote: I don't think Bay did "get this wrong". In this continuity, it makes sense that they were all originally Autobots and that the Decepticons were a splintered-off faction. Prime implies this. That may not be how it was in other continuities but it works for this one. It's implied in the movie itself (and in issue #1 of the prequel comics).

He wasn't sure if it worked that way in other continuities. Therefore, a question is asked, and verification needed.

No disrespect to anyone here but erm........


In the beginning, Autobots referred to the fact they were cars.

A product of your average toy marketing that we're now trying to make into something more substantial.

Haven't seen a flame thread like this in quite a while

Tramp wrote:Yes he did, jusdt not in the form of a question. Here is his post (bold mine for emphasis).

Leonardo wrote: That may not be how it was in other continuities

He wasn't sure if it worked that way in other continuities. Therefore, a question is asked, and verification needed.

Im not going to argue with you becuase we dont want to see you banned again now do we? I'm sure Leonardo will be along later to set you straight. What you did was misunderstand his post, he wasn't asking a question, he was makling a statement. I know for a fact he knows all about how it was in other contiuinties and does not need you to tell him.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:But in this movie's continuity, Autobot is a specie. NOT a faction. Only the Decepticons renege, and form its own faction. While the Autobots remains a specie, didn't downgrade itself into a faction.
It's not like America vs Japan, where each can carry their own flag at war. It's more like Human Race vs Japan. Japan has its flag, understandably. But should Human Race have its own flag as well? I'm sure we would carry the United Nations flag instead, but not a Human Race flag.

I dont think you're quite gasping what I ment. What I am proposing is there was either no Autobot insignia untill the Deceptiocons begin the war or the Autobot insignia was a global insigina for the Autobot race. The Decepticons created their insignia to seperate themselves from the rest of the Autobots as an apposing faction. The remaining Autobots then adopted the Autobot insignia (be it new or otherwise) as a signifyer of their alliegence to the original values of the Autobot race. I supsect this would be mainly be for the practicality of avoiding getting themselves killed by friendly fire, much like human soldiers will were their flags, unit identifyiers and so during a war.

What you're best comparing it with is a civil war like the American Civil War for instance. The non-establisment faction of the nationality(or race) of America 'the Confederates' addopted the new Conferate flag, the establishment 'the Union' fought under the the original Union flag. The difference being the case of the Autobots it was a global civil war.

Yours AK

Do i hear a second on that?

Or....just completetly ignore me.

Magnanimous wrote:Hi guys (my first post). My question is if the Cybertonians are all autobots and the Allspark created life on Cybertron, why is it that on Earth the Allspark only seems to create Decepticons?

I apologize if this has been discussed before.

Welcome Magnanimous! Glad you chose your first post here.

Sorry, didn't notice your post earlier.

The new Movie seems to suggests all Cybertronians are originally Autobots. They refer to Autobots not as a faction name, but a descriptive "autonomous robots" abbreviation. Kinda wierd.
Anyway, some of them, inexplicably turned into the menacing Decepticons. No explanation on the Decepticons name.
Allspark created Cybertronian life.
There's no official explanation yet on why Allspark seems to create evil lifeforms on Earth.
One of the theories discussed in the forums here, suggest, some sort of "rude awakening" to explain their hostile behavior. Not evil per se.
Other theories, suggest some sort of "reverse engineering" mentioned in the movie, about how all Earth machines were product of human study of frozen Megatron. And that all machines somehow inherited the evilness of Megatron.
Which is which is up to you.
Unless Dreamworks finally gives a solid explanation in the sequel.

Magnanimous wrote:Or....just completetly ignore me.

I hope you won't feel bad.

Everybody just seems to be engulfed, for the moment, in some train of thoughts regarding the topics they are scrutinizing on.

Nothing against you.

You're very much welcome here.

Pls do be vocal and give us a piece of your thoughts. We like new ideas flying here and there.

I'm quite new here myself. I hope i'm qualified enough to welcome you.

Cheers!

Magnanimous wrote:Or....just completetly ignore me.

Apologies, I didn't respond to your question because I didn’t know the answer. I was hoping one of the brave soul who have managed to sit through the movie more than once might be able to shed some light on the subject. However I personally would go for a stock answer of "the movie was poorly conceived" to answer any unexplained continuity issues such as this.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Yes he did, jusdt not in the form of a question. Here is his post (bold mine for emphasis).

Leonardo wrote: That may not be how it was in other continuities

He wasn't sure if it worked that way in other continuities. Therefore, a question is asked, and verification needed.

Im not going to argue with you becuase we dont want to see you banned again now do we? I'm sure Leonardo will be along later to set you straight. What you did was misunderstand his post, he wasn't asking a question, he was makling a statement. I know for a fact he knows all about how it was in other contiuinties and does not need you to tell him.

Yours AK

AK, dude, don't bother. If Tramp reads something one way, and interprets it, he's right, and everyone else is wrong. You can even bring up a quote that shows he's wrong, and he'll still argue with you. He has a morbid phobia of being wrong.

Damolisher wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Yes he did, jusdt not in the form of a question. Here is his post (bold mine for emphasis).

Leonardo wrote: That may not be how it was in other continuities

He wasn't sure if it worked that way in other continuities. Therefore, a question is asked, and verification needed.

Im not going to argue with you becuase we dont want to see you banned again now do we? I'm sure Leonardo will be along later to set you straight. What you did was misunderstand his post, he wasn't asking a question, he was makling a statement. I know for a fact he knows all about how it was in other contiuinties and does not need you to tell him.

Yours AK

AK, dude, don't bother. If Tramp reads something one way, and interprets it, he's right, and everyone else is wrong. You can even bring up a quote that shows he's wrong, and he'll still argue with you. He has a morbid phobia of being wrong.

You notice that too???????What I cant figure out is why????Why he has to be right all the time?????The closest he ever came to admitting he was wrong was to put a edit into a post.