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Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby steve2275 » Tue May 15, 2007 12:55 am

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Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me
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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby Leonardo » Tue May 15, 2007 2:16 am

steve2275 wrote:
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me


I think he's taking about how Megatron summons Skywarp to rescue him, but it's drawn / coloured so that it looks like Thundercracker is the one that turns around to pick up Megatron. Then, in the next panel, it's coloured correctly. Of course, one could argue that the two Seekers were already en route to Megatron and that Thundercracker just turned around to...do stuff.

As for the Reapers, I hope their part is minimal, too. I just don't like them as characters / a plot device. I didn't think they'd left the planet, but at the end of Sixshot's issue I did get the distinct impression they'd left Sixshot behind and gone to another region. Also, why was Sixshot so impressed that they'd managed to wipe out an entire planet midway through his spotlight when at the beginning he was boasting about having destroyed one by himself?
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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby Insurgent » Tue May 15, 2007 10:27 am

Leonardo wrote:
steve2275 wrote:
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me


I think he's taking about how Megatron summons Skywarp to rescue him, but it's drawn / coloured so that it looks like Thundercracker is the one that turns around to pick up Megatron. Then, in the next panel, it's coloured correctly. Of course, one could argue that the two Seekers were already en route to Megatron and that Thundercracker just turned around to...do stuff.

As for the Reapers, I hope their part is minimal, too. I just don't like them as characters / a plot device. I didn't think they'd left the planet, but at the end of Sixshot's issue I did get the distinct impression they'd left Sixshot behind and gone to another region. Also, why was Sixshot so impressed that they'd managed to wipe out an entire planet midway through his spotlight when at the beginning he was boasting about having destroyed one by himself?


Thats two good points. What could Thundercraker be turning around to do? :-?

And perhaps Sixshot was impressed that they could rival his destructive power. Although by the way he phrases it (something about him being a disciple of apocalypse, and they ahving written teh book on it) I get the impression they destroy the planet to an even greater effect than Sixshot. Which would impress me.
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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby Leonardo » Tue May 15, 2007 12:51 pm

Insurgent wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
steve2275 wrote:
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me


I think he's taking about how Megatron summons Skywarp to rescue him, but it's drawn / coloured so that it looks like Thundercracker is the one that turns around to pick up Megatron. Then, in the next panel, it's coloured correctly. Of course, one could argue that the two Seekers were already en route to Megatron and that Thundercracker just turned around to...do stuff.

As for the Reapers, I hope their part is minimal, too. I just don't like them as characters / a plot device. I didn't think they'd left the planet, but at the end of Sixshot's issue I did get the distinct impression they'd left Sixshot behind and gone to another region. Also, why was Sixshot so impressed that they'd managed to wipe out an entire planet midway through his spotlight when at the beginning he was boasting about having destroyed one by himself?


Thats two good points. What could Thundercraker be turning around to do? :-?

And perhaps Sixshot was impressed that they could rival his destructive power. Although by the way he phrases it (something about him being a disciple of apocalypse, and they ahving written teh book on it) I get the impression they destroy the planet to an even greater effect than Sixshot. Which would impress me.


If I could destroy an entire planet, the Reapers would have to cause some serious damage to impress me, given that there's about six of them and only one of me.
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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby Uncrazzimatic » Tue May 15, 2007 5:26 pm

Leonardo wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
steve2275 wrote:
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me


I think he's taking about how Megatron summons Skywarp to rescue him, but it's drawn / coloured so that it looks like Thundercracker is the one that turns around to pick up Megatron. Then, in the next panel, it's coloured correctly. Of course, one could argue that the two Seekers were already en route to Megatron and that Thundercracker just turned around to...do stuff.

As for the Reapers, I hope their part is minimal, too. I just don't like them as characters / a plot device. I didn't think they'd left the planet, but at the end of Sixshot's issue I did get the distinct impression they'd left Sixshot behind and gone to another region. Also, why was Sixshot so impressed that they'd managed to wipe out an entire planet midway through his spotlight when at the beginning he was boasting about having destroyed one by himself?


Thats two good points. What could Thundercraker be turning around to do? :-?

And perhaps Sixshot was impressed that they could rival his destructive power. Although by the way he phrases it (something about him being a disciple of apocalypse, and they ahving written teh book on it) I get the impression they destroy the planet to an even greater effect than Sixshot. Which would impress me.


If I could destroy an entire planet, the Reapers would have to cause some serious damage to impress me, given that there's about six of them and only one of me.


I think when Sixshot "destroys" a plant he's just doing what a whole infiltration team does but alone, I.E. destroying its dominat species' civilization, but leaving resources intact for exploitation by the Decepticon empire. However the reapers destroy anything and everything of value, leaving an empty husk of no use to anyone.
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Postby steve2275 » Tue May 15, 2007 11:37 pm

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i noticed that the vop happens before he skywarp warps out
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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby Leonardo » Wed May 16, 2007 2:52 am

Uncrazzimatic wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
steve2275 wrote:
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me


I think he's taking about how Megatron summons Skywarp to rescue him, but it's drawn / coloured so that it looks like Thundercracker is the one that turns around to pick up Megatron. Then, in the next panel, it's coloured correctly. Of course, one could argue that the two Seekers were already en route to Megatron and that Thundercracker just turned around to...do stuff.

As for the Reapers, I hope their part is minimal, too. I just don't like them as characters / a plot device. I didn't think they'd left the planet, but at the end of Sixshot's issue I did get the distinct impression they'd left Sixshot behind and gone to another region. Also, why was Sixshot so impressed that they'd managed to wipe out an entire planet midway through his spotlight when at the beginning he was boasting about having destroyed one by himself?


Thats two good points. What could Thundercraker be turning around to do? :-?

And perhaps Sixshot was impressed that they could rival his destructive power. Although by the way he phrases it (something about him being a disciple of apocalypse, and they ahving written teh book on it) I get the impression they destroy the planet to an even greater effect than Sixshot. Which would impress me.


If I could destroy an entire planet, the Reapers would have to cause some serious damage to impress me, given that there's about six of them and only one of me.


I think when Sixshot "destroys" a plant he's just doing what a whole infiltration team does but alone, I.E. destroying its dominat species' civilization, but leaving resources intact for exploitation by the Decepticon empire. However the reapers destroy anything and everything of value, leaving an empty husk of no use to anyone.


Maybe, but I had the impression that Sixshot was called in to ruin worlds after the Decepticons had been and taken energy/Energon. Does Energon have a capital E? Anyway, I don't know if there's any evidence for that in any of the books; I may have just jumped to conclusions.
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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby Insurgent » Wed May 16, 2007 10:51 am

Leonardo wrote:
Uncrazzimatic wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
steve2275 wrote:
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me


I think he's taking about how Megatron summons Skywarp to rescue him, but it's drawn / coloured so that it looks like Thundercracker is the one that turns around to pick up Megatron. Then, in the next panel, it's coloured correctly. Of course, one could argue that the two Seekers were already en route to Megatron and that Thundercracker just turned around to...do stuff.

As for the Reapers, I hope their part is minimal, too. I just don't like them as characters / a plot device. I didn't think they'd left the planet, but at the end of Sixshot's issue I did get the distinct impression they'd left Sixshot behind and gone to another region. Also, why was Sixshot so impressed that they'd managed to wipe out an entire planet midway through his spotlight when at the beginning he was boasting about having destroyed one by himself?


Thats two good points. What could Thundercraker be turning around to do? :-?

And perhaps Sixshot was impressed that they could rival his destructive power. Although by the way he phrases it (something about him being a disciple of apocalypse, and they ahving written teh book on it) I get the impression they destroy the planet to an even greater effect than Sixshot. Which would impress me.


If I could destroy an entire planet, the Reapers would have to cause some serious damage to impress me, given that there's about six of them and only one of me.


I think when Sixshot "destroys" a plant he's just doing what a whole infiltration team does but alone, I.E. destroying its dominat species' civilization, but leaving resources intact for exploitation by the Decepticon empire. However the reapers destroy anything and everything of value, leaving an empty husk of no use to anyone.


Maybe, but I had the impression that Sixshot was called in to ruin worlds after the Decepticons had been and taken energy/Energon. Does Energon have a capital E? Anyway, I don't know if there's any evidence for that in any of the books; I may have just jumped to conclusions.


Uncrazzamatic is on about what I meant. Sixshot sweeps in after the Infiltration unit has done it's job and he basically levels all civilisation. Wrecked buildings, no transport routes, basically the equivalanet remains of setting of a nuke, but across the entire planet. Yet with the possibility of rebuilding (assuming someone is left to live.) The Reapers acutally do all that, but also destroy landmasses, ripping open the surface of the planet and exposing the core, leaving the world in such a state, nothing can be rebuilt.
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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby Leonardo » Wed May 16, 2007 2:18 pm

Insurgent wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Uncrazzimatic wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
steve2275 wrote:
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i only have one complaint: miscolored seekers again (2nd panel, page 17).
they look fine to me


I think he's taking about how Megatron summons Skywarp to rescue him, but it's drawn / coloured so that it looks like Thundercracker is the one that turns around to pick up Megatron. Then, in the next panel, it's coloured correctly. Of course, one could argue that the two Seekers were already en route to Megatron and that Thundercracker just turned around to...do stuff.

As for the Reapers, I hope their part is minimal, too. I just don't like them as characters / a plot device. I didn't think they'd left the planet, but at the end of Sixshot's issue I did get the distinct impression they'd left Sixshot behind and gone to another region. Also, why was Sixshot so impressed that they'd managed to wipe out an entire planet midway through his spotlight when at the beginning he was boasting about having destroyed one by himself?


Thats two good points. What could Thundercraker be turning around to do? :-?

And perhaps Sixshot was impressed that they could rival his destructive power. Although by the way he phrases it (something about him being a disciple of apocalypse, and they ahving written teh book on it) I get the impression they destroy the planet to an even greater effect than Sixshot. Which would impress me.


If I could destroy an entire planet, the Reapers would have to cause some serious damage to impress me, given that there's about six of them and only one of me.


I think when Sixshot "destroys" a plant he's just doing what a whole infiltration team does but alone, I.E. destroying its dominat species' civilization, but leaving resources intact for exploitation by the Decepticon empire. However the reapers destroy anything and everything of value, leaving an empty husk of no use to anyone.


Maybe, but I had the impression that Sixshot was called in to ruin worlds after the Decepticons had been and taken energy/Energon. Does Energon have a capital E? Anyway, I don't know if there's any evidence for that in any of the books; I may have just jumped to conclusions.


Uncrazzamatic is on about what I meant. Sixshot sweeps in after the Infiltration unit has done it's job and he basically levels all civilisation. Wrecked buildings, no transport routes, basically the equivalanet remains of setting of a nuke, but across the entire planet. Yet with the possibility of rebuilding (assuming someone is left to live.) The Reapers acutally do all that, but also destroy landmasses, ripping open the surface of the planet and exposing the core, leaving the world in such a state, nothing can be rebuilt.


Ah, you see, from the comic I couldn't really see any difference between what Sixshot does and what the Reapers do. I was under the impression they all just left any given planet as a barren, uninhabitable husk.
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Postby Tigertrack » Wed May 16, 2007 2:26 pm

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Is there any way we could stop quoting everyone's whole entire quote each post with this discussion about Sixshot and the Reapers???

These are taking up a lot of room, is there a purpose to doing it each time? :P
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Postby Leonardo » Wed May 16, 2007 2:32 pm

Yes, it's pretty. :P

No, seriously, there's no reason for it.
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Postby Tigertrack » Wed May 16, 2007 2:38 pm

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Leonardo wrote:Yes, it's pretty. :P

No, seriously, there's no reason for it.


Your 'pretty' comment was good! :lol:

I was just saying, to see if we could cut back, and only quote the person ahead of us we were trying to respond to.

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Re: Escalation #6 *SPOILERS*

Postby i_amtrunks » Wed May 16, 2007 6:55 pm

Uncrazzimatic wrote:I think when Sixshot "destroys" a plant he's just doing what a whole infiltration team does but alone, I.E. destroying its dominat species' civilization, but leaving resources intact for exploitation by the Decepticon empire. However the reapers destroy anything and everything of value, leaving an empty husk of no use to anyone.


That was my understanding of it too. That is why Sixshot was so impressed with what they had done, he may wipe out species and infrastructure from a planet, but the reapers wipe out the planet, the only way they could do more damage was if they blew the entire actual planet into molecules.
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Postby Insurgent » Thu May 17, 2007 4:48 am

If you look at the first 2 pages of Sixshot, you'll see he's just destroying the infrastructure. Compare that to what the reapers have done, and you'll see there's ALOT of excessive lava seeping through from the planet's core.
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Postby Leonardo » Thu May 17, 2007 4:51 am

That's where I got confused. To me, the artwork looks pretty much the same, and I know Sixshot talks about how they contaiminated the planet's soils, etc., but I imagined that to be part and parcel of destroying a world, which is why I thought Sixshot was one who completely devastated a planet, rather than just its cities, civilisations and infrastructure.
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Postby Insurgent » Thu May 17, 2007 5:00 am

Leonardo wrote:That's where I got confused. To me, the artwork looks pretty much the same, and I know Sixshot talks about how they contaiminated the planet's soils, etc., but I imagined that to be part and parcel of destroying a world, which is why I thought Sixshot was one who completely devastated a planet, rather than just its cities, civilisations and infrastructure.


I guess it depends on your definition of destroying a planet, as to how much damage you cause to it.
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