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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tenkyoen [AKA: WheelBar!] wrote:

Starscream wrote:I think Omega Supreme vs. eva 01 would be a better match up optimus is considerably smaller than eva 01

Well, I wasn't sure on a Eva's height, and my friend didn't know either... ^_^;

But what I did wonder was if the Matrix could possibly destroy an Eva. Size usually doesn't matter in this concept, because as we all know Rodimus used the Matriz to destroy Unicorn (mostly) and there was a HUGE size diff there.

That may be the case but the Matrix isint just some weapon that can be pulled out when ever you want to use it.It only works when the universe itself is in danger.

I'm not so sure. It seems to be the deus ex machina for just about any big problem the Autobot's have. So as long as Prime can be like, "Ugh... Look! He just stepped on a puppy-- go Matrix!" he'd be golden.

I havent seen any exsamples of Prime just wipping it out when ever he was out matched but I wasnt a fan of the last 3 shows so I really cant say much about those.

But as for G1, both the comic and the toon, the Matrix was only useable durring battle with a universal threat.The Eva's dont pose such a threat.

Well the hate spores at the time weren't bothering anyone but earth, so I don't know why they got hozed. All he has to do is convince the Matrix that the Eva's going to kill the universe... eventually. You do realize this is all my jesting, right?

You might want to pop in "The return of Optimus Prime" again...the Hate Plague was also on the Planet that Skylinx got that Quintason from and according to him the Quints were in hiding at the far reaches of the Galaxy.....here take a look
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vUcmb6RTuuE&feature=related
Also according to the elder in the Matrix that OPrime was talkig too said that no one person had inough wisdom to contain or destroy the spores now that they have spread across the Galaxy.....here take a look....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=prFu0Q5D7dQ&feature=related

And telling the Matrix anything wouldnt help...Ultra Magnus kept telling it to open and it got him nowhere.The Matrix seems to have a kind of intelligence and a will of its own.

AT Field can block any kinds of damage. only in the game that could be destroyed or same angel line up.


to think of it the live action evangelion will surpass the story, drama, action, comedy, suspense, love story and science fiction on transformers.......


why???

because the writer of transformers is dumb because they didn't make another story or whatever that can change the whole story from the start.


it's just the same optimus died, unicron died, afterward, then became alive, and then no end of the war. thats why only the movie of the transformers was liked by some people including me.

atleast they change the story line that the cartoons and comics sucks.

I hope for there improvement on the Transformers 2.

people of today loves many kinds of stories.



THATS WHY IN COUNTRY THE MOVIE OF TRANSFORMERS IS ONLY THE FAMOUS. NOT THE CARTOONS AND COMICS. ONLY THE MOVIE



the only cool of it is just only there appearance nothing else.


That's my opinion.

way to go EVANGELION.

Terminator-96010 wrote:AT Field can block any kinds of damage. only in the game that could be destroyed or same angel line up.


to think of it the live action evangelion will surpass the story, drama, action, comedy, suspense, love story and science fiction on transformers.......


why???

because the writer of transformers is dumb because they didn't make another story or whatever that can change the whole story from the start.


it's just the same optimus died, unicron died, afterward, then became alive, and then no end of the war. thats why only the movie of the transformers was liked by some people including me.

atleast they change the story line that the cartoons and comics sucks.

I hope for there improvement on the Transformers 2.

people of today loves many kinds of stories.



THATS WHY IN COUNTRY THE MOVIE OF TRANSFORMERS IS ONLY THE FAMOUS. NOT THE CARTOONS AND COMICS. ONLY THE MOVIE



the only cool of it is just only there appearance nothing else.


That's my opinion.

way to go EVANGELION.

I'm sorry buddy but I could not understand what you were saying.

Matrix is just a pile of box with an intellengence and wisdom. BTW Matrix is not a god or whatever, many kinds of things will surpass that. Only for power for example the Dragonball Z. if I get the 7 Dragonballs i can wish that i will be the ruler of the whole universe, or i could ish that the whole universe is destroyed in an instant with no evil intent.


my friend and I are making stories. especially robots, I will make my story surpass thru another world.


EVA-is and Angel you can't kill it. only same Angel powers can kill it. even if you have the whole entire Cybertron with unicron in it.

or a POWERED Optimus Prime.

Just try to analyze it more dude.

Terminator-96010 wrote:Just try to analyze it more dude.

I tried and I still cant make heads or tails of you post....sorry.

Terminator-96010 wrote:Matrix is just a pile of box with an intellengence and wisdom. BTW Matrix is not a god or whatever, many kinds of things will surpass that. Only for power for example the Dragonball Z. if I get the 7 Dragonballs i can wish that i will be the ruler of the whole universe, or i could ish that the whole universe is destroyed in an instant with no evil intent.


my friend and I are making stories. especially robots, I will make my story surpass thru another world.


EVA-is and Angel you can't kill it. only same Angel powers can kill it. even if you have the whole entire Cybertron with unicron in it.

or a POWERED Optimus Prime.

I understood this one a little better but your wrong about one thing.The Matrix is a fragment of the Transformer's god.

Only a fragment. Dragonballs are made from a god.

Terminator-96010 wrote:Only a fragment. Dragonballs are made from a god.

No they are not.You got your facts wrong.They can summon a God but they were not created by a god.

The first Dragon Balls were originally created by the Namekians. Kami made the Earth Dragon Balls after he traveled to Earth from his home planet called Namek. The Dragon Balls are directly connected to Kami's life force, so when Kami dies or his individual life force becomes absorbed into something, the Dragon Balls turn to stone, permanently, unless the balls are revived by another Namekian.When all seven are gathered,they can summon the dragon god named Shenrong.

AT Field can block any kinds of damage. only in the game that could be destroyed or same angel line up.

Despite the fact both Eva's and Angels have been damaged by human made weapons. N2 mines have always been able to damage Evas and angels.

to think of it the live action evangelion will surpass the story, drama, action, comedy, suspense, love story and science fiction on transformers.......


why???

because the writer of transformers is dumb because they didn't make another story or whatever that can change the whole story from the start.


it's just the same optimus died, unicron died, afterward, then became alive, and then no end of the war. thats why only the movie of the transformers was liked by some people including me.

atleast they change the story line that the cartoons and comics sucks.

Okay I think you're trying to say Evangelion is more original than Transformers.

Evangelion isn't at all original. It's Anno's earlier and superior work Gunbuster merged with Ideon but set on Earth. Most of the character archetypes from Evangelion were used earlier in Gunbuster (shinji, asuka etc) and the overall theme is taken from ideon.

Terminator-96010 wrote:Matrix is just a pile of box with an intellengence and wisdom. BTW Matrix is not a god or whatever

You are very, very wrong, the comic matrix has the power of Primus stored in it

Stormwolf wrote:

Terminator-96010 wrote:Matrix is just a pile of box with an intellengence and wisdom. BTW Matrix is not a god or whatever

You are very, very wrong, the comic matrix has the power of Primus stored in it

He's been wrong about a few things

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Terminator-96010 wrote:Only a fragment. Dragonballs are made from a god.

No they are not.You got your facts wrong.They can summon a God but they were not created by a god.

The first Dragon Balls were originally created by the Namekians. Kami made the Earth Dragon Balls after he traveled to Earth from his home planet called Namek. The Dragon Balls are directly connected to Kami's life force, so when Kami dies or his individual life force becomes absorbed into something, the Dragon Balls turn to stone, permanently, unless the balls are revived by another Namekian.When all seven are gathered,they can summon the dragon god named Shenrong.

And to add that, that the dragonballs can't destroy the universe, they couldn't even destroy beings who are more powerful than the dragonballs' creators.

And Kami is the god of earth. Kami actually means god in japanese. Most of the names in DB have hidden meanings here but in japan it's pretty much straight forward and funny (most of the time...).


Why are we talking about the dragonballs anyway? This battle's so very much over since the moment it started. It's pointless to wonder if OP can scratch the paint of unit one's armor. The EVA can regenerate it. (That doesn't make ANY sense but that's the way it is.)

Chaoslock wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Terminator-96010 wrote:Only a fragment. Dragonballs are made from a god.

No they are not.You got your facts wrong.They can summon a God but they were not created by a god.

The first Dragon Balls were originally created by the Namekians. Kami made the Earth Dragon Balls after he traveled to Earth from his home planet called Namek. The Dragon Balls are directly connected to Kami's life force, so when Kami dies or his individual life force becomes absorbed into something, the Dragon Balls turn to stone, permanently, unless the balls are revived by another Namekian.When all seven are gathered,they can summon the dragon god named Shenrong.

And to add that, that the dragonballs can't destroy the universe, they couldn't even destroy beings who are more powerful than the dragonballs' creators.

The regular Dragon Balls and Shenron could not kill anyone at all.Because he was ment to create things but the Dark Star Dragon Balls and Red Shenron could kill if he wanted to.

Evank_Horizon wrote:And Kami is the god of earth. Kami actually means god in japanese. Most of the names in DB have hidden meanings here but in japan it's pretty much straight forward and funny (most of the time...).


Why are we talking about the dragonballs anyway? This battle's so very much over since the moment it started. It's pointless to wonder if OP can scratch the paint of unit one's armor. The EVA can regenerate it. (That doesn't make ANY sense but that's the way it is.)

Your almost right.....the belief in Kami from the Japaneses reiligon is the belief in "divinities" or lesser Gods much like the Gods of the Greek and Norse myth's.

What these kami are is hard to pin down. They range from the original creating gods to lesser gods, from the spirits of ancestors to any natural force or aspect of nature which inspires awe.

In pre-literate Japan, society was divided into autonomous clans, or uji , each of was headed by a chieftain (uji no kami ). Each of these clans worshipped a divinity, a kami , that was associated with the clan; it was the job of the chieftain to see to the proper ceremonies devoted to the clan's individual kami . Should one clan overrun another, the kami of the conquered clan was made subject to the kami of the victorious clan. Each clan still worshipped their respective divinities, but the hierarchy of those divinities shifted.

And in the world of Dragon Ball the word "Kami" is nothing but a tital givin to the guarding of the earth.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:And Kami is the god of earth. Kami actually means god in japanese. Most of the names in DB have hidden meanings here but in japan it's pretty much straight forward and funny (most of the time...).


Why are we talking about the dragonballs anyway? This battle's so very much over since the moment it started. It's pointless to wonder if OP can scratch the paint of unit one's armor. The EVA can regenerate it. (That doesn't make ANY sense but that's the way it is.)

Your almost right.....the belief in Kami from the Japaneses reiligon is the belief in "divinities" or lesser Gods much like the Gods of the Greek and Norse myth's.

What these kami are is hard to pin down. They range from the original creating gods to lesser gods, from the spirits of ancestors to any natural force or aspect of nature which inspires awe.

In pre-literate Japan, society was divided into autonomous clans, or uji , each of was headed by a chieftain (uji no kami ). Each of these clans worshipped a divinity, a kami , that was associated with the clan; it was the job of the chieftain to see to the proper ceremonies devoted to the clan's individual kami . Should one clan overrun another, the kami of the conquered clan was made subject to the kami of the victorious clan. Each clan still worshipped their respective divinities, but the hierarchy of those divinities shifted.

And in the world of Dragon Ball the word "Kami" is nothing but a tital givin to the guarding of the earth.

Akira Toriyama wasn't the type to plan things ahead too much. In fact I'm not sure he knew what he would do for the next release. (DB was originally released in manga magazines) There are hints there and there showing him trying to patch error in the last issiue. (especially obvious in time travel storylines)

Thus in the original DB series, Kami was God and Piccolo was the Devil... with green skin. DB never was as serious as its american fans.

Evank_Horizon wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:And Kami is the god of earth. Kami actually means god in japanese. Most of the names in DB have hidden meanings here but in japan it's pretty much straight forward and funny (most of the time...).


Why are we talking about the dragonballs anyway? This battle's so very much over since the moment it started. It's pointless to wonder if OP can scratch the paint of unit one's armor. The EVA can regenerate it. (That doesn't make ANY sense but that's the way it is.)

Your almost right.....the belief in Kami from the Japaneses reiligon is the belief in "divinities" or lesser Gods much like the Gods of the Greek and Norse myth's.

What these kami are is hard to pin down. They range from the original creating gods to lesser gods, from the spirits of ancestors to any natural force or aspect of nature which inspires awe.

In pre-literate Japan, society was divided into autonomous clans, or uji , each of was headed by a chieftain (uji no kami ). Each of these clans worshipped a divinity, a kami , that was associated with the clan; it was the job of the chieftain to see to the proper ceremonies devoted to the clan's individual kami . Should one clan overrun another, the kami of the conquered clan was made subject to the kami of the victorious clan. Each clan still worshipped their respective divinities, but the hierarchy of those divinities shifted.

And in the world of Dragon Ball the word "Kami" is nothing but a tital givin to the guarding of the earth.

Akira Toriyama wasn't the type to plan things ahead too much. In fact I'm not sure he knew what he would do for the next release. (DB was originally released in manga magazines) There are hints there and there showing him trying to patch error in the last issiue. (especially obvious in time travel storylines)

Thus in the original DB series, Kami was God and Piccolo was the Devil... with green skin. DB never was as serious as its american fans.

Your right about Akira Toriyama never really planing it out ahead......but one thing is certain, Kami would one be the God of the earth.The bases of his Dragon Ball story is rooted in the belief in divinities and Gods of different levels of existance.

The model for Goko is a God [or Kami] as well.His character is based on the Monkey King [aks Monkey God-Kami] character from Wu Cheng'en's Journey to the West.

Others like the Ox King and Ulong were also based on other lesser Gods [Kami's] from differen stories that were related to the story of the Monkey King.

So one way or the other it seems that Akira Toriyama planed for Kami to be one God of many God like beings.

Terminator-96010 wrote:Matrix is just a pile of box with an intellengence and wisdom. BTW Matrix is not a god or whatever, many kinds of things will surpass that. Only for power for example the Dragonball Z. if I get the 7 Dragonballs i can wish that i will be the ruler of the whole universe, or i could ish that the whole universe is destroyed in an instant with no evil intent.


my friend and I are making stories. especially robots, I will make my story surpass thru another world.


EVA-is and Angel you can't kill it. only same Angel powers can kill it. even if you have the whole entire Cybertron with unicron in it.

or a POWERED Optimus Prime.

Well I don't recall asking whether or not the Dragonballs could beat the Matrix...

I appreciate the fact that you are a writer but I don't see what this has to do with the topic

What says that only an Angel can kill it? The only big battles we saw in the series were pretty much Eva vs Angel.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure I Cybertron (Primus) Had enough power to create and entire species of powerful Transformers, It can kill an Eva/Angel.

OP cuts through Manga like a laser through butter. OP wins.