Counterpunch wrote:
Let's start with your questionable assertion that Hasbro is doing
something wrong to begin with shall we?
Now, this is a hard thing to address, so we have to be careful. Just
about the only quantifiable way to determine if Hasbro is making poor
product that people do not want is through sales.
Unfortunately for your ill-fated argument, sales numbers for
Transformers have been fantastic over the past few years. Yearly sales
totals show Transformers to be one of the most successful brands on the
market.
It looks like people and children are voting with their dollars.
And those dollars are voting for Hasbro.
Keyword there is "children". We diehard tf fans could stop buying
figures but it wont make that big of a dent in sales. Kids are always
going to want robot toys. And as long as parents will dish out the
money for the new transforming robot toy to shut little jimmy up sales
mean nothing.
Counterpunch wrote:
Now, without referenceing my above argument (that would be too easy...)
I'm going to attack what I believe to be the root of your misguided
argument.
RiD, was the last line which had an overtly "Collector Look" to it.
Meaning that the toys were in large part meant to represent real life
vechiles.
What you and I are not mentioning here is the Alternator line. Which
has consistantly sold out. At any rate, that's a digression from my
main point, which is that you are unhappy that recent releases have
been geared towards both collectors AND children.
Seeing as how very little Transformers mechandise ever goes truely on
clearance or for that matter, on clearance at all. I'd have to say
that the past few years of Transformers have been overwhelming
successes.
No im not complaning that the new lines have been geared toward
collectors and children. As long as the products are good i dont care
who there are geared towards. And Alternators are not always sold out.
Evrey store i go to has and have had Alternators. Even Walmart. And
also i dont care if they "look Real" as long as they are made well then
im happy. My point was that the RID line was the last line other than
the classics that they put alot of effert into.
Counterpunch wrote:
Essentially, your statement here is crap. If it's a matter of opinion
on your part, again, crap.
True enough there have been differences between the US and Japanese
releases, but in no possible world can you generalize the lot of toys
the way you did. Here is a concete to you Vector Prime and Voyager
Starscream from Cybertron were better than their US counterparts. In
the same breath, I can't begin to list the number of US releases which
have actually been MORE show accurate since the end of Armada.
To put another feather in Hasbro's cap, how many of the distinctly
Japanese releases have they worked to bring to us here? Like your BW
Prime and Megs reissues at less than half the cost of what people
imported them for?
Thank Hasbro for that.
My statement is not crap. I have be able to compare the GF line and the
Cyb line. And in my opinon the GF line looks and feels better than the
hasbro cybertron line. And show acuracy doesnt effect my reasons to buy
the toys.AS long as the figures are made well i dont care if they look
like the show. And why is it that the hasbro ones break more esaly than
the tarkara ones? And the Jap verson of the BW reissues were better in
japan. The box was better and Megs wasnt missing a piece to hold hi
mtogether. And if hasbro didnt already have the 10th ann. BW line out i
doubt we would have seen thoses figures here.
Counterpunch wrote:
So? What are you some kind of Communist? You don't appreciate good
business sense? Would you rather they were forced into a merger to
save their corporation like Takara was?
Yes im a comunist. Long live stolen. No my point is that there is this
thing called a monopoly. The last time i checked tyou cant have thoses
here in the US. And my othert point is if Hasbro buys evrey one then
there wont be veriety in toys. Just like now. The only way to compare
tf figs is to use the hasbro and tarkara lines. We no longer have
kenner the ones who made the BW line so we cant have them make TF figs
again. In order to see if Hasbro is makeing good toys we need at least
two companies to campare it with. And seeing as how Hasbor has bought
out evrey toy company that would have made TF figures we wont get the
chance to compare.
Counterpunch wrote:
Name 10 figures that have consistently poor paint jobs.
I dare you.
There used to be a time when Takara was king of paint detailing. Not
anymore. Releases like Cryoscourge, ...no wait, all of Cybertron had
great paint schemes. Perhaps if this were 4 or 5 years ago and we were
discussing Armada I might say, "yea, they could use some work.".
But it's not.
So I won't.
Lets see, seeing as how my Armada and Energon lines are in boxes in my
closet i cant name 10 figs but i can name a few from the more recent
lines Cyb Snarl, Cyb Crumplezone, cyb Red Alert, cyb overhaul, and most
of the minicon sets since armada. And you also basicly answered your
own question "There used to be a time when Takara was king of paint
detailing,Perhaps if this were 4 or 5 years ago and we were discussing
Armada I might say, "yea, they could use some work." SO i think thats
avout 10 figures dont you think?
Counterpunch wrote:
Why don't you go back and read Skowl's excellent list of things Hasbro
has provided us. Then re-check your knee jerk reaction.
Time's up bub.
It was only cool to rag on Hasbro a few years ago.
They listened.
Didn't you get the memo?
Times up? I dont think so meatbag.
Alternators-Great concept but why are they so brittle? Evrey time i
transform one is feels like itll break. The line needs work.
Titaniums-Great they brought back diecast but the joints suck and som e
of the molds need alot of work. Great idea just didnt give R&D enough
time to work out all the kinks.
Classics- ALreay said that they are the best figures hasbro has made in
a while.
Unicron-Hasbro has had the idea for a unicron toy since the first move.
If unicron wasnt in the show do you think the figure would have come
out? Maybe it would have but we will never know. If they would have
waited amybe there wouldve been a better version. Perhaps one of the
first prototypes they had.
Fallen- The titanium line is mostly based around the WW saga. So they
looked throught the comics and picked a handfull of bots to make toys
out of. I wouldnt be suprised if they make all the WW guys in to
titanium toys. As youve said fallen is a bot that not evrey one knows
so how many really wanted him to be made. If he wasnt made would there
have been an uproar. I doubt it.
Combiners- They were in the show so they made the toys. And RID &
energon were from japan and what do they love in japan? Combining
robots. Thats why combiners came back. If hasbro were to make new
Stunticons and Terrorcons for the Classic line then yeah they listened
to use about combiners but untill then they didnt bring them back japan
did.
Excilian- Who wanted HS to look like Hot Rod? And how many times will
hasbor repaint the same bot. If you remeber HS looked like Rod in
armada towards the end of the show. SO hasbro decided well we need
another hotshot repaint so lets bring back the armada flame job. If you
look at the last waves of cybertron almost evrey toy got a repaint.
Swindle-same as above
Beachcomber-same as above. They like repaints.
Construction vehicles- Who in there right mind would want evrey
construction vehicel to look like the cunstructicons? Oh i want my
Cybertron landmine to look like scavenger. They cant combine to form
devastator but who cares they look and have the same names as them. Its
also another way to get more repaints out there.
Waspinartor- The decals on the 10th ann figs are the same size. They
use the same stamps on all the figures. Thats why the Pred deacal is
small on wasp. If they were to make more preds the decal would be the
same size.
Yes i would like to see someone else have a go with the TF line. Then
we would be able to see if hasbro is doing a good job or not. The last
few lines have made me want another company to make the toys. Hasbor
has somewhat redeemed themselves witht eh 20th ann prime and the
classics line. But untill i have the new movie figures in my hands i
will still think hasbro is lakeing with the figures. Now if they keep
going they way that they have with the classics line then this hole
argument will have been for nothing. As ive said the Classics line is
the best quality line to come from hasbro since RID. Hasbro started out
good but then went downhill. But if they keep doing the same thing they
are now then we will be seeing G1 quality figures again. I have G1
figures that have been through hell and back and look better than some
of my Cybertron figures that feel 3 feet off the shelf when i was
rearanging them.
And excuse my poor spelling im on vacation right now and had to type
this out on my PSPs web browser.It has no spellcheck and is a pain to
go back and edit.
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fans
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