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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:45 am

Maximal Primal wrote:Your an absolute Genius Skywarp-2! That Razorback and Crazybolt are awesome, who knew that Takara Tomy had released so many sweet molds for their Beast Was Neo line up! I love them! I am sick and tired of playing second fiddle to Japan and their toy market, here in the U.S. we don't do anything as near as cool as they do with their toys! I mean the packaging in our stores are always bubbles which get's severely destroyed when in storage. The excessive Twistie Ties because of corporate greed, disguised as protection for the toy. The poor choice of art work and absense of Tech Specs on some releases. it's a fricken Nightmare!

Hasbro should really up the anty and give us these Comic Packs. That would be a start in changing the U.S. toy market to become a more global and competative collection. I know alot of friends of mine here who only go to stores which sell imports. they avoid the Mass retail chains like the plague. I must say even I was greatly disappointed by the offerings in pacakges the movie toys were released in. Hasbro's packaging has serious issues, and should be redesigned across the entire Transformers line. Generation One toys even had better packaging, considering they were in boxes as aposed to Bubble packaging.

If they do the packaging right, then I can see this series of Comic Packs becoming the next big thing, even bigger then Marvel Legends has been, as long as they do it right. I don't have much faith that even if Hasbro got their butts in gear and decided to do these packages, like you have suggested Skywarp-2, they would get it right. I don't have much hope that Hasbro has the gumption to pull it off, and to be successful at it as well. I'm not downing the concept, just the manufacturer's ability to produce, which we know from the past has always been hit or miss.

Still, I challenge Hasbro to make a go of it! I want to see if they are capable of even pulling it off and making collector's happy at the same time as producing something that could be marketed in the mass retail circuit.


Thanks for the compliment Maximal!! I feel you pain, I too have had doubts that Hasbro has the ability to pull off marketing mass Retail comic Packs with transformers..... Not that they can do it and sell them, but that they can produce the right boxes and packages to satisfy the MIB collector and still keep the others happy at the same time. I was thinking that if the comic packs were set in a box with full color art, similar to that of Japanese releases, then they could place the comic on the back side of the box, with a hatch that opens and you can slip the issue from the protective sleeve.....

Not only that they could make it so you can see the comic above the toy, similar to mavel legends, but with more box surrounding it to keep it safe. Actually if you think about it, the Book box style they came up with for the G-1 Reissues worked quite well. The toy was held in plastic and the box was nice as well. All you had to do was slide the tray out and removel the plastic cover.... A comic could be worked in behind the toy for added effect and art.

Hasbro has it's faults but sometimes they can produce some nice Packaging. The Wal-Mart Starscream U.S. Repaint looks to be quite nice, and if a comic was behind that toy, it would also work...
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Postby Maximal Primal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:55 am

But most of their toys come in bubble packaging, which means if your trying to look at the comic, you either have to rip the bubble off or cut it open with scissors like the Marvel legends packs. Which is really not very collector friendly. I don't see how they think that they are superior in their package marketing?? Mattel's Barbie's have better Boxes then Hasbro's stuff!!
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:57 am

Maximal Primal wrote:But most of their toys come in bubble packaging, which means if your trying to look at the comic, you either have to rip the bubble off or cut it open with scissors like the Marvel legends packs. Which is really not very collector friendly. I don't see how they think that they are superior in their package marketing?? Mattel's Barbie's have better Boxes then Hasbro's stuff!!


I disagree... the Soundwave commerative box was quite nice and really made for a wonderful release. If that style of box was used with comics on the back side, it would be a real treat!!..

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Postby Maximal Primal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:01 am

skywarp-2 wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:But most of their toys come in bubble packaging, which means if your trying to look at the comic, you either have to rip the bubble off or cut it open with scissors like the Marvel legends packs. Which is really not very collector friendly. I don't see how they think that they are superior in their package marketing?? Mattel's Barbie's have better Boxes then Hasbro's stuff!!


I disagree... the Soundwave commerative box was quite nice and really made for a wonderful release. If that style of box was used with comics on the back side, it would be a real treat!!..

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That was a nice box, but all I'm saying dude, is Don't Hold your Breath!!! :sad: Hasbro has never been my favorite retailer of toys, atleast not in packaging anyways. I love their products, but the packages they come in are always looking like they were mere after thoughts. I wonder if they even realize that there is a collector's market out there who wants a mass retail release that fits the collector as well as the regular toy consumer? :-?
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:06 am

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Maximal Primal wrote:But most of their toys come in bubble packaging, which means if your trying to look at the comic, you either have to rip the bubble off or cut it open with scissors like the Marvel legends packs. Which is really not very collector friendly. I don't see how they think that they are superior in their package marketing?? Mattel's Barbie's have better Boxes then Hasbro's stuff!!


I disagree... the Soundwave commerative box was quite nice and really made for a wonderful release. If that style of box was used with comics on the back side, it would be a real treat!!..

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That was a nice box, but all I'm saying dude, is Don't Hold your Breath!!! :sad: Hasbro has never been my favorite retailer of toys, atleast not in packaging anyways. I love their products, but the packages they come in are always looking like they were mere after thoughts. I wonder if they even realize that there is a collector's market out there who wants a mass retail release that fits the collector as well as the regular toy consumer? :-?


Hasbro realizes it, but relegates that duty to the Botcon folks, who produce $200.00 toy packs, which nets Hasbro a small profit. Though, I don't understand the concept as much, it's as if they won't do it mass retail because they believe the collector market out there is very small...I know the collector market is not small, and is quite apt at buying multiple numbers of exclusive product in order to upsell the items later at a highly expensive and premium cost! If hasbro was to do collector Comic Packs, they would then be tapping into the collector Market, and still reaching that same kids demographic they want to hit.

All I'm saying is that the IDW/Hasbro Beast Wars or Classics Comic Packs if they were to be released would be a perfect solution to both the collector's and kids...
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Postby Maximal Primal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:08 am

skywarp-2 wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:But most of their toys come in bubble packaging, which means if your trying to look at the comic, you either have to rip the bubble off or cut it open with scissors like the Marvel legends packs. Which is really not very collector friendly. I don't see how they think that they are superior in their package marketing?? Mattel's Barbie's have better Boxes then Hasbro's stuff!!


I disagree... the Soundwave commerative box was quite nice and really made for a wonderful release. If that style of box was used with comics on the back side, it would be a real treat!!..

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That was a nice box, but all I'm saying dude, is Don't Hold your Breath!!! :sad: Hasbro has never been my favorite retailer of toys, atleast not in packaging anyways. I love their products, but the packages they come in are always looking like they were mere after thoughts. I wonder if they even realize that there is a collector's market out there who wants a mass retail release that fits the collector as well as the regular toy consumer? :-?


Hasbro realizes it, but relegates that duty to the Botcon folks, who produce $200.00 toy packs, which nets Hasbro a small profit. Though, I don't understand the concept as much, it's as if they won't do it mass retail because they believe the collector market out there is very small...I know the collector market is not small, and is quite apt at buying multiple numbers of exclusive product in order to upsell the items later at a highly expensive and premium cost! If hasbro was to do collector Comic Packs, they would then be tapping into the collector Market, and still reaching that same kids demographic they want to hit.

All I'm saying is that the IDW/Hasbro Beast Wars or Classics Comic Packs if they were to be released would be a perfect solution to both the collector's and kids...



***Sigh*** I still don't think Hasbro could get it right...
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:12 am

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***Sigh*** I still don't think Hasbro could get it right...


First thing first, lets get support for Hasbro to even consider it as a viable option, then I'll worry about them being able to pull it off. I just want to see them being made first!!! :sad: :sad:
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Postby Maximal Primal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:47 am

yeah, so what ever. I doubt they'll get their debut!!
Look at my Sig, do you really think Hasbro would produce a Big Convoy the way it should be done? Look at how many toys they did import, changed and severly screwed up in the US release of them! It's sickening to have to play to a company that releases occasional good toys, and the majority of Garbage, all while ignoring their target market, the consumer! I wouldn't be the least bit surprised it they screw up Big Convoy, it's not like you can point to nemesis Prime, How hard can it be to paint a figure almost entirely black without screwing it up?

Look at the Rainbow Bright transformers they released over the last 5 years! They couldn't decide what color they wanted Armada Prime! they still couldn't even when it came to the Cybertron series. Or better yet, lets keep repainting thousands of repaints to make our cash, screw what the fans think! They'll buy it cause the customer isn't always right!! That's like the motto most companies roll with these days!! I think this is the wrong venue to get my answers.
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Postby zemper » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:51 am

whoa, this thread's alive!!! just got home from chorale rehearsal after work (yeah, i'm part of a chorale group and i sing tenor :P ) and this is what i find. ahahaha. gotta settle down first and look at the previous posts... 8)
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:57 am

yeah "Maximal Primal" got hopped up on caffeine this morning.. :BOOM: just don't throw any poo...
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Postby Maximal Primal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:59 am

skywarp-2 wrote:yeah "Maximal Primal" got hopped up on caffeine this morning.. :BOOM: just don't throw any poo...


I love the local Starbucks!!

And I'm not a Monkey anymore, look at my sig, I'm a Mammoth! We just drop big poos and wait for you to step in them. :grin:
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:00 am

Maximal Primal wrote:
skywarp-2 wrote:yeah "Maximal Primal" got hopped up on caffeine this morning.. :BOOM: just don't throw any poo...


I love the local Starbucks!!

And I'm not a Monkey anymore, look at my sig, I'm a Mammoth! We just drop big poos and wait for you to step in them. :grin:



Ahh that's what that smell was... :shock:
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Postby Trelve » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:28 am

I love the idea but I fear they might find a way to make it an "Exclusive" somehow.

I'm having a hard time finding the comic books myself and this would be twice the bonus.

Of course the packaging will have to include 5 different languages but im sure they'll fit some nice details on... I hope.

(I wouldn't mind another Razorbeast release either.)
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:39 am

Trelve wrote:I love the idea but I fear they might find a way to make it an "Exclusive" somehow.

I'm having a hard time finding the comic books myself and this would be twice the bonus.

Of course the packaging will have to include 5 different languages but im sure they'll fit some nice details on... I hope.

(I wouldn't mind another Razorbeast release either.)


well if it was relegated to comic shops only, then we could at least get it through Diamond... I would like to also track the comics down as well, since they are quite hard to find here...
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Postby Dead Metal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:46 am

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Trelve wrote:I love the idea but I fear they might find a way to make it an "Exclusive" somehow.

I'm having a hard time finding the comic books myself and this would be twice the bonus.

Of course the packaging will have to include 5 different languages but im sure they'll fit some nice details on... I hope.

(I wouldn't mind another Razorbeast release either.)


well if it was relegated to comic shops only, then we could at least get it through Diamond... I would like to also track the comics down as well, since they are quite hard to find here...

Yesss comicshop exclosives, that would let my comic guyes get them!
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Postby Maximal Primal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:28 pm

A comic shop exclusive run wouldn't bee too far out of Habro's reach, though I think they mostly stick to the retail chains.
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:59 pm

Who cares, as long as they bring me IDW comics in a collector friendly box with a US release of Big Convoy and Lio Convoy as Maximal Prime and Leo Prime, I'll be just fine.. oh and if they could rework Magmatron to give him alot more articulation in combined mode, he would be the most sought after Beast Wars toy ever released Stateside!!!
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Postby City Commander » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:04 pm

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Do this, and I will buy it. Probably twice.


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Postby craggy » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:35 pm

I'm all for a Beast Wars sub-line, maybe as part of Classics 2.0/Universe. There are a lot of characters from the new comic that have good toys but may have been overlooked previously because their characters had no exposure in any other media in the US/UK prior to IDW's mini-series. Of course there are then the ones from the Japanese series, but the likes of Big Convoy (even Lioconvoy, unless they use the Robot Masters version) are too big for comic-packs in the style of the Star Wars or GI Joe ones. That's not to say I rule out the idea of Hasbro doing something like this, and maybe having a versus pack of 2 basic sized toys and a comic. If they did though, no reason not to use other lines than just Beast Wars, other than, of course, that is what the majority of people (in this topic at the very least) want.

Comics could be a good pack-in gimmick if Hasbro is wanting to get more people interested in the sub-lines though, as whilst the animated series toyline will have the characters well represented through the TV show, the Universe line will appear to be randomly selected characters. A few well chosen comics and kids who are picking these up after having gotten into TFs via the movie, will have a better grasp on the character, and maybe be more eager to get more.
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Postby skywarp-2 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:58 pm

craggy wrote:I'm all for a Beast Wars sub-line, maybe as part of Classics 2.0/Universe. There are a lot of characters from the new comic that have good toys but may have been overlooked previously because their characters had no exposure in any other media in the US/UK prior to IDW's mini-series. Of course there are then the ones from the Japanese series, but the likes of Big Convoy (even Lioconvoy, unless they use the Robot Masters version) are too big for comic-packs in the style of the Star Wars or GI Joe ones. That's not to say I rule out the idea of Hasbro doing something like this, and maybe having a versus pack of 2 basic sized toys and a comic. If they did though, no reason not to use other lines than just Beast Wars, other than, of course, that is what the majority of people (in this topic at the very least) want.

Comics could be a good pack-in gimmick if Hasbro is wanting to get more people interested in the sub-lines though, as whilst the animated series toyline will have the characters well represented through the TV show, the Universe line will appear to be randomly selected characters. A few well chosen comics and kids who are picking these up after having gotten into TFs via the movie, will have a better grasp on the character, and maybe be more eager to get more.


I quite agree.. the more exposure to comics in this line up, the more sales will follow, due to the engaging stories that draw the toy buye and fan ever more inward to the series and characters being released.. I do disagree that the regular voyager or larger class BW figures are too big for the comics packs, they don't all have to hang on a peg on the shelf, and you can have 2 sets each at different price points, you can have the Super sets, which are the run of the mill characters, and the Master Ses, which include the leaders, and reissues of Optimus Primal reborn, or Megatron, with his own IDW spotlight comics, or mainline comics...

What's cool about that is that Leo Prime is definitely gonna be the big seller, so why not import both Robot Masters Version and the Regular release, albeit with some sort of modification in the stomach area for optimum posability... that would be cool.. because you know there is always a smaller version of Prime in one series or another..
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Postby zemper » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:03 pm

meh, i doubt if Hasbro would even take the time to make some modifications to existing molds (with regards to 'warp's Lio Convoy posability mod) as it would take up time and resources for them to produce.

what i'm really hoping for is a re-release of the RM version bundled with the comic pack. 8)

anyway, any of you guys have RM-22 and Razorbeast? can you pose them side-by-side and kindly post a pic here? i'm interested in seeing the scale difference bet. the two. :grin:
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Postby Maximal Primal » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:59 pm

the robot masters is about the same size as the normal figures, what's unfortunate is that the Lio Convoy is maybe a bit smaller...but I think Razorback is still smaller..
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Postby zemper » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:10 pm

Maximal Primal wrote:the robot masters is about the same size as the normal figures, what's unfortunate is that the Lio Convoy is maybe a bit smaller...but I think Razorback is still smaller..


aw rats! i had a hunch he would be small, but...

well, as long as he's still larger than a basic-seized fig, it's fine with me. 8)
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Postby Trelve » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:28 pm

zemper wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:the robot masters is about the same size as the normal figures, what's unfortunate is that the Lio Convoy is maybe a bit smaller...but I think Razorback is still smaller..


aw rats! i had a hunch he would be small, but...

well, as long as he's still larger than a basic-seized fig, it's fine with me. 8)


I assumed that RM Lio Convoy was deluxe in size.
I'd be happy with anything thats not a repaint of Leobreaker.
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Postby zemper » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:09 am

Trelve wrote:
zemper wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:the robot masters is about the same size as the normal figures, what's unfortunate is that the Lio Convoy is maybe a bit smaller...but I think Razorback is still smaller..


aw rats! i had a hunch he would be small, but...

well, as long as he's still larger than a basic-seized fig, it's fine with me. 8)


I assumed that RM Lio Convoy was deluxe in size.
I'd be happy with anything thats not a repaint of Leobreaker.


yeah, i think so too, but IMHO it's smaller than the standard-sized deluxe. that's kinda like a downer. i still haven't received my RM-22 yet so i don't know how small this toy is. 8)
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