The Energon Pub

Ever since 1984, Transformers have come in all sorts of crazy sizes, even within a single year's lineup.

In "modern times" there are now official names for the various size classes, and we now can usually grab our favorite characters in more than one size if we so choose.

However, let's say you could only collect one size/class - what would it be and why?

For me, I like Voyager. I honestly don't think most Voyager transformations are any more complex than the average Deluxe size figure and Deluxe figures just seem scrawnier and scrawnier all the time.

I think people would have a hard time collecting just one size, as a lot of us like to have a scale that's true to the series from which the character comes that is represented by the specific toy. For example, if I get deluxe figures for the regular characters such as Bee and Screamer, I'd want Voyagers for Prime and Megatron. But that's just one way to look at it.

Personally, I am down to collecting Deluxes only, due to space restriction and prices/quality. What I mean is that most Voyagers are the same quality a the Deluxes and cost twice as much. The only exceptions I would make anymore would be Masterpieces if any caught my eye. (Sunstorm )

Scouts/Basic.

I actually really like transformers for all the different sizes, comparing a scout to a voyager just makes them both awesome.

Though I'd go with the littler ones. Just to have them go better with other toys I collect.

Delicon wrote:For me, I like Voyager. I honestly don't think most Voyager transformations are any more complex than the average Deluxe size figure and Deluxe figures just seem scrawnier and scrawnier all the time.

Deluxe, because it contains the most figures.

MP Grimlock size - for everything. If I could have an RTS Jazz in that scale I think I would be able to hang up my collecting boots and die happy. No-one needs to tell me this is impractical and wont happen - I know.

The way current scaling is going we are all going to end up collecting a lot more Scout/Basics as Deluxes shrink and Voyagers get fewer and further between.....

deluxe is my preferred base scale, and the larger characters I'm generally ok with being Voyager (the ones I'd like in leader scale rarely get made at that size) and smaller guys will be scouts/basics or in some cases even Legends size. I tend to avoid buying multiple of the same character in different size classes, because I'd rather have everything fit into one collection and would rather spend money on a new character than a variation of one I have already (he said, thinking about how many Primes and Megatrons he owns)

Although I try and buy as scale-accurate as I can, I must say that Human Alliance has been a favorite of mine. Although characters like Megs and Prime wouldn't be included, I still love the size accuracy, articulation, and overall feel of the main HA figures.

Jiah wrote:Although I try and buy as scale-accurate as I can, I must say that Human Alliance has been a favorite of mine. Although characters like Megs and Prime wouldn't be included, I still love the size accuracy, articulation, and overall feel of the main HA figures.

Very good point.

If I had to choose just one, deluxe. Most characters turn out pretty good and there's a nice balance of cost vs. complexity. Voyagers are cool when done right but kind of expensive, and few things suck worse than an overly-simplistic voyager. Scouts just aren't big enough to have enough detail. Leaders are great, but who could afford that all the time? So deluxe it is!

Deluxe. This because Deluxe (and Cyberverse/Legion) are mostly composed of this class

If they would return Voyager to the, say, Energon or TF:Cybertron size, I'd be happy with that. Otherwie, Deluxe, simply because 90% of the figures these days are Deluxe.

Tough choice, as each size-class has real gems in it and I really can't stand having jets and cars at the same size.

I'm going to cheat and say Cyberverse --both Legions and Commanders-- as they're relatively cheap AND get really cool stuff like Megatron and Optimus both with armor/base/trailers, "true gestalt" Devastator, and full bases like the Ark.

Ledgends/ Cyberverse. They may be small, but at least i still can get all the characters

I'd have to also say deluxe. I certainly have more of them than anything else, but a lot of cool toys get made in the deluxe size. Generations Wheeljack is one of my favorites, and I think he's perfect in that figure.

I think I'd choose voyager. They just seem to satisfy me more for being larger but without electronics.

Yes, size matters.

For me it will also be the cyberverse collection, the newly released Prime line under this category are awesome, really love OP, Megs, Bulkhead & SS.

Deluxe. With very few exceptions that's a good size for any TF.

I've been hearing a lot lately how newer deluxes are close to scout size. Any pics?

I've grown to despise deluxes because I'm sick of seeing cars and jets in that same scale.

To answer the question, I'd prefer scouts because then the cars would fit in with the diaclones.

I'm also hearing lately how deluxes are better than scouts because they're better detailed. When I look at Windcharger, Breakdown, the Real Gears and Universe Trilogy Scouts, I'm hard pressed to find poor detailing. Windcharger alone has become a grail among many of the fandom and Strongarm is one of the most articulate bots ever with that awesome axe.

If detail matters so much, then why are the Legends so popular? I bought Jazz and Hound and thought Hound in particular was horrible. I think Legends are among the cheapest quality we've ever got in the franchise. I wouldn't have touched them as a kid.

Deluxe for me, too. Even though they are currently shrinking, but the size and price are still acceptable. I like scout as well (not Cyberverse commander), but many times they are only couple dollars cheaper than a deluxe and not many of them are like the quality of Breacher. Voyager class is nice if they done right, but they are double priced than deluxe and are shrinking also.

Windsweeper wrote:If detail matters so much, then why are the Legends so popular? I bought Jazz and Hound and thought Hound in particular was horrible. I think Legends are among the cheapest quality we've ever got in the franchise. I wouldn't have touched them as a kid.

If you don't like Legends Hound, you'd absolutely loathe some of the movieverse legends, although the scout (or whatever they call them these days, the bigger Cyberverse figures) are actually pretty cool.

Btw, RTS Legends Optimus Prime definitely has a mini-G1 feel to him.

Supreme. Or failing that, Deluxe. But I find the whole idea of one scale kinda silly. Wheelie, Jazz, and Trypticon all the same height? It just doesn't make sense to me.

(Yes, I intentionally listed 3 characters that are all available as Legends. They are literally on my desk together.)

1:1 scale. Duh!

I would be more than happy to collect solely in the Cyberverse Commander scale.
Only they would need some uprgades.

Die-cast: Adding metal to the design would make them weightier and stronger.
I think if there was weight added people would get over the idea that they felt "cheap"- not one I share.
The metal would make them more resilient to bear paw hands that are prone to breaking things.
The metal\plastic combo would be a throwback to Go-bots as well. As I have read that Tomy or Hasbro own the rights to Go-bots, but not the molds themselves, this could sate a desire for reissued Go-bots, partially at least.

Ball joints where they count: The neck, elbows, knees and even the waist would add playability\poseability. Modern collectors desire a lot for their dollar\pound\shekel\clams etc... Adding the ball joints in the most useful places will create a toy that has the movement desired, making the toys themselves desired.
Prime Legends Cliffjumper seems like a good example of where he could have been one of the best little toys ever, except they missed the boat when they didn't give his head movement:
(and he isn't even Commander class)

DOTM Commander Shockwave has movement in the neck, sadly it isn't a ball joint. Cyberverse Prime comes pretty close to perfect

Stop messing with the size(and name): I'll admit the addition of Commander class was a nice step. But the idea of Legends class was not done to promote an idea of scale. It was to take a character and say "Hey guys, here's a small figure of a classic character, we're gonna make 'em all the same size." Starting with DOTM, not all my Legends, now Cyberverse, fit in with one another . But ROTF Prime is equally out of scale with '07 Movie Legends Prime(dat guy is small) as DOTM is with ROTF.
Although, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't buy an Omega Supreme Legends Class Classics style. He would have to be mongo compared to Commander Class.

Why is the size nice? It would take 5 times the room to display all these Primes: Voyager Blackout takes up the same amount of space in Alt mode as all these Primes, and the longer you collect TF the less space you have.

More combiners: Their size, weight and saleability(if done well)
make a perfect combination( )

People are screaming for combiners. A smaller scale offers the opportunity to let the combiners tower over a base Commander scale, at an affordable price.
For now I would just be happy with Energon style combining at the Cyberverse scale(Duocons maybe), but would love to see G1 combiners in the Legends class.
After them doing Devastator I refuse to listen and believe when someone says it's not feasible.


Just for fun: Give us some chrome weapons for the G1 style Cyberverse, especially when the Insecticons get made. Come on, Legends collectors know we want those guys.

And why would anyone say there is a lack of detail? As time progresses they are only getting better ex: Ironhide

Major upgrade since his original movie persona.

Ironhide is highly detailed in design
It's the paint apps that may be missing. And at the current price point you can afford to buy one to keep factory and one to paint up all those nooks and crannies. Don't feel bad though, they did the same thing with Deluxe Topspin

All that detail and nothing done with it.

But these are what I would buy as a constant collection. There are figures that can only be truly envisioned in a larger scale for maximum enjoyment. Legends are great for a solid representation of both Robot and alt mode, but for now they lack what some of the larger scales can do. And for that I am glad that more than one scale is available.

DISCHARGE wrote:I would be more than happy to collect solely in the Cyberverse Commander scale.
Only they would need some uprgades.

Die-cast: Adding metal to the design would make them weightier and stronger.
I think if there was weight added people would get over the idea that they felt "cheap"- not one I share.
The metal would make them more resilient to bear paw hands that are prone to breaking things.
The metal\plastic combo would be a throwback to Go-bots as well. As I have read that Tomy or Hasbro own the rights to Go-bots, but not the molds themselves, this could sate a desire for reissued Go-bots, partially at least.

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Ball joints where they count: The neck, elbows, knees and even the waist would add playability\poseability. Modern collectors desire a lot for their dollar\pound\shekel\clams etc... Adding the ball joints in the most useful places will create a toy that has the movement desired, making the toys themselves desired.
Prime Legends Cliffjumper seems like a good example of where he could have been one of the best little toys ever, except they missed the boat when they didn't give his head movement:
(and he isn't even Commander class)

DOTM Commander Shockwave has movement in the neck, sadly it isn't a ball joint.

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Cyberverse Prime comes pretty close to perfect

Stop messing with the size(and name): I'll admit the addition of Commander class was a nice step. But the idea of Legends class was not done to promote an idea of scale. It was to take a character and say "Hey guys, here's a small figure of a classic character, we're gonna make 'em all the same size." Starting with DOTM, not all my Legends, now Cyberverse, fit in with one another . But ROTF Prime is equally out of scale with '07 Movie Legends Prime(dat guy is small) as DOTM is with ROTF.
Although, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't buy an Omega Supreme Legends Class Classics style. He would have to be mongo compared to Commander Class.

Why is the size nice? It would take 5 times the room to display all these Primes:

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Voyager Blackout takes up the same amount of space in Alt mode as all these Primes, and the longer you collect TF the less space you have.

More combiners: Their size, weight and saleability(if done well)
make a perfect combination( )

People are screaming for combiners. A smaller scale offers the opportunity to let the combiners tower over a base Commander scale, at an affordable price.
For now I would just be happy with Energon style combining at the Cyberverse scale(Duocons maybe), but would love to see G1 combiners in the Legends class.
After them doing Devastator I refuse to listen and believe when someone says it's not feasible.


Just for fun: Give us some chrome weapons for the G1 style Cyberverse, especially when the Insecticons get made. Come on, Legends collectors know we want those guys.

And why would anyone say there is a lack of detail? As time progresses they are only getting better ex: Ironhide

Major upgrade since his original movie persona.

Ironhide is highly detailed in design
It's the paint apps that may be missing. And at the current price point you can afford to buy one to keep factory and one to paint up all those nooks and crannies. Don't feel bad though, they did the same thing with Deluxe Topspin

All that detail and nothing done with it.

But these are what I would buy as a constant collection. There are figures that can only be truly envisioned in a larger scale for maximum enjoyment. Legends are great for a solid representation of both Robot and alt mode, but for now they lack what some of the larger scales can do. And for that I am glad that more than one scale is available.

That was one of the most insightful posts I have seen during my entire time on this site. Seriously.