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The Biggest Transformers Classics Let down?

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Postby Leonardo » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:03 am

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aerialbot prime wrote:overkill is going to be released later but its a repaint of grimlock and i would give it the same rating as grimlock, 1/10


Is this official? How'd you know that?
because i saw it on this site's botcon 2007 pictures. :MAD:


Why the angry smiley?


Who's Overkill anyway? Haven't heard of him yet.


Overkill is not being made.

At BotCon, the custom class was to repaint a classics Grimlock as Overkill.


Overkill was one of G1 Soundwave's cassettes. He transformed into a T-Rex (or similar).


Wow! I've never seen this cassette yet! Any pics?


Here you go, courtesy of TFU.info:

http://www.tfu.info/1987/Decepticon/Ove ... erkill.htm
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Postby AlienQuiksilver » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:21 am

aerialbot prime wrote:well, look below:


Counterpunch wrote:Bring it.




aerialbot prime wrote:magnus didnt come with his armor and hes ugly


Counterpunch wrote:Ok, the armor thing is annoying, but there is that 'ugo' word again....You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.


INCONCEIVABLE!!! I'm totally thinking "The Princess Bride" right now. LOL. I now have coffee speckles on my monitor, and some is seeping its way into my keyboard as well.

I dunno CP, some people just hate on things just to be a "non-conformist." That's what I'm thinking since there's no valid backup to AP's classics "issues."

I commend you for defending the line. I give your comeback an 11teen out of 10. :P

I didn't think it was possible for anybody to dislike classics Mirage.

Also, why do you still plan to buy CJ? :???:
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Postby Auto Bot » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:33 am

Leonardo wrote:
Here you go, courtesy of TFU.info:

http://www.tfu.info/1987/Decepticon/Ove ... erkill.htm


Thanks! I love it! He's got nice cutey little attachments too.

Was he featured in any episode?
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Postby skywarp-2 » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:41 pm

Counterpunch wrote:Skywarp-2,

Here's my justification for why Classics Prime does not have a trailer, you just might like this...

I see classics as a 'pre-story' to the events in Armada, Energon, and Cybertron. For me, Classics Prime is Optimus Prime prior to becoming the Matrix bearer (which would happen as Armada roles around). Hence, he isn't powered up yet to have the trailer system.

The idea kind of makes sense too. Megatron would start off as a gun (classics) realize the need for more firepower (Armada tank) and would progress from there.

Like the Seekers, powerful as the F-15s in Classics, but they assume more powerful forms later and as they are seperated, take on more different forms.

It's all fan-fic in my head though. :oops:


that is an interesting POV and one worthy of a second thought.. on Prime that is.. Still I know that some here don't like him, and while the majority celebrate his new re-imagining.. I still think his Toy would have been better had they included a Trailer..but then again they do have the Universe line up that's coming out, and Hasbro can rerelease the old molds or release new ones for the Line up under the Universe Banner.. so there is hope that the Optimus Prime reimagined comes out with a trailer.. even if Hasbro said there won't be a trailer anymore.. they do reserve th right to change their mind..

I would say just give an update tot he G-1 Mold you have in your possession and add a Special Transformable Roller figure and we'll be great!!!
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Postby Maximal Primal » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:48 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Skywarp-2,

Here's my justification for why Classics Prime does not have a trailer, you just might like this...

I see classics as a 'pre-story' to the events in Armada, Energon, and Cybertron. For me, Classics Prime is Optimus Prime prior to becoming the Matrix bearer (which would happen as Armada roles around). Hence, he isn't powered up yet to have the trailer system.

The idea kind of makes sense too. Megatron would start off as a gun (classics) realize the need for more firepower (Armada tank) and would progress from there.

Like the Seekers, powerful as the F-15s in Classics, but they assume more powerful forms later and as they are seperated, take on more different forms.

It's all fan-fic in my head though. :oops:


that is an interesting POV and one worthy of a second thought.. on Prime that is.. Still I know that some here don't like him, and while the majority celebrate his new re-imagining.. I still think his Toy would have been better had they included a Trailer..but then again they do have the Universe line up that's coming out, and Hasbro can rerelease the old molds or release new ones for the Line up under the Universe Banner.. so there is hope that the Optimus Prime reimagined comes out with a trailer.. even if Hasbro said there won't be a trailer anymore.. they do reserve th right to change their mind..

I would say just give an update tot he G-1 Mold you have in your possession and add a Special Transformable Roller figure and we'll be great!!!


what Roller fig?
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Postby skywarp-2 » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:55 pm

Maximal Primal wrote:
what Roller fig?


thy should re-release Classics Prime like this..
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Postby Dead Metal » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:00 pm

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Interesting Roller design.

I say the biggest let down for me is:

Classics still not avalible in Germany

BotCon (my mum won't let me spend my money on them)

Grimlock

Megatron's colors
And poor paint quality on all figures.
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Postby Down_Shift » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:27 pm

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Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:59 pm

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Chaos Bringer wrote:Starscream's pointless new transformation sacrificed the underside of the jetmode more than was necessary and limited head articulation. Robotmasters did a way better job.


Robotmasters is one of the better Seekers version. Although i can't give him a clear winner status. Although it has remain true to G1 transformation, plus a lot of improvements; it has also inherited one of G1's weakness. The hollow backside. It's like Starscream has no backbone. Well, of course, his character has no backbone. But it just doesn't look good from behind.

Robotmasters SS gains more points in jet mode.

While Classics SS still look better in robot mode.

I also feel the need to add that Robot Masters Seekers lack articulation that could have easily been added and they lack a certain bulk that the Classics have. I mean, the Classics look like bodybuilders next to the PM Seekers ... the real downside of the jet mode is that hoop you can stick yer little finger in. Otherwise I like it fine.


Hoop? Where's that?

The only Robot Master Seekers i've held in my hands are KO toys. They don't have much articulation. None at the legs part. I thought this was just a simplification of the KO manufacturers.

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Hoop. Well, hoop-ish. I dunno what you wanna call it, but it can fit over my little finger.

I have the same KO Seekers. The articulation is exactly the same except the arms tend not to fall off as much on the real ones. Of course, right out of the package the wing fell off my Thundercracker fell off so ..... yeah.

The lack of articulation of the Seekers and Star Saber really dissappointed me in the RM line because it woulda taken absolutely nothing to give it to them. Without it, they just sorta stand there. And since I display my Seekers in bot mode ..... superior robot mode means overall superior toy.

Beisdes, if I was a kid, I'd probably fit my finger in there and go "whoosh" all day.
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Postby wolverinetodd » Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:10 pm

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I agree with Zodconvoy. I was disappointed that Hasbro only released Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust as 3 of a 5 figure box Botcon exclusive. Stuff like that is just so unfair and ridiculously expensive. I admit it would be nice to have a complete set of 6 Decepticon Seekers (Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Thrust, Ramjet, and Dirge), but with that kind of money I need to make my house payments and with gas prices rising, to keep the gas tank full.

I did, however, buy an additional Classiscs Starscream and two additional Classics Ramjets just in case I acquire the knowledge and the high-end skill to kitbash them into Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust.

I was also disappointed that Classics Jetfire never made it my local Wal-Mart. If he did, I never saw him. I ran into that same problem with Energon's Grimlock and Swoop 2-pack. Stores start clearancing and discontinuing the lines before the complete lines have even hit the stores. Thank goodness for the internet and shopping online. I paid too much for the Grimlock and Swoop 2-pack, but paid regular retail for Classics Jetfire.

I'm looking forward to Classics 2.0 with the addition of Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, and Decepticon Triple Changer Octane. I just hope they're not going to be some other hard-to-find, expensive as hell exclusives.
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Re: The Biggest Transformers Classics Let down?

Postby skywarp-2 » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:31 pm

wolverinetodd wrote:I agree with Zodconvoy. I was disappointed that Hasbro only released Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust as 3 of a 5 figure box Botcon exclusive. Stuff like that is just so unfair and ridiculously expensive. I admit it would be nice to have a complete set of 6 Decepticon Seekers (Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Thrust, Ramjet, and Dirge), but with that kind of money I need to make my house payments and with gas prices rising, to keep the gas tank full.

I did, however, buy an additional Classiscs Starscream and two additional Classics Ramjets just in case I acquire the knowledge and the high-end skill to kitbash them into Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust.

I was also disappointed that Classics Jetfire never made it my local Wal-Mart. If he did, I never saw him. I ran into that same problem with Energon's Grimlock and Swoop 2-pack. Stores start clearancing and discontinuing the lines before the complete lines have even hit the stores. Thank goodness for the internet and shopping online. I paid too much for the Grimlock and Swoop 2-pack, but paid regular retail for Classics Jetfire.

I'm looking forward to Classics 2.0 with the addition of Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, and Decepticon Triple Changer Octane. I just hope they're not going to be some other hard-to-find, expensive as hell exclusives.


There will be exclusives.. but they will no doubt be stuff that may be satisfying to most.. but I just hope they steer clear of main names and characters that "should have been mass retail" because that was a spiraling torent of Anger, and I really don't want to go there again..

Hopefully Takara Tomy will become the Green Goblin and rectify certain inequalities..

Ahem..Thundercracker..cough....cough.. Dirge, Ramjet.. cough...cough.. silver Megatron .. :???:
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Postby Bun-Bun » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:15 am

I was messing with all my classics yesterday... trying to com up with good action/battle poses...

Found out that pretty much all the deluxes are incapable of that.

That is my biggest Classics let-down

Also what is all this I hear about Grimlock assembly problems?
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Postby Auto Bot » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:17 am

The painting on Classics do need a lot of improvement. Looks like they've been hurriedly done.
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Postby AlienQuiksilver » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:23 am

Bun-Bun wrote:I was messing with all my classics yesterday... trying to com up with good action/battle poses...

Found out that pretty much all the deluxes are incapable of that.

That is my biggest Classics let-down

Also what is all this I hear about Grimlock assembly problems?



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Postby Wes Crayon » Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:23 am

The biggest letdown for me was Starscream -- those rear fins were hard as heck to move during his transformation. Then, to make matters worse, a piece of plastic broke off on one of the legs and refused to let itself be glued back on because it looks like the pin was inserted in some weird diagonal way that seems to have been the cause of the problem. Granted, that fin moves much easier now, but now I'm afraid to transform SS because I want him to at least look intact when viewed from one angle.

For a while I was even afraid to touch Skywarp because of this problem, though a later examination of him revealed that he doesn't have this issue. So basically my SS sucked, and that is why he is my least favorite of the Classics line. :(

I actually kinda like Grimlock, though. Yes, the robot legs and feet could be way better, and he would've been the one voyager I would eagerly have purchased (I picked up none of the Classics voyagers save Ultra Magnus in the 2-pack and only begrudgingly got Thundercracker and Ratchet in the movie line), but I still like him enough in robot mode to display him in that form. He doesn't look so bad if you bend the knees and spread the legs when posing him. :)

And I agree that Prime would've been ideal with a trailer, but I'm not sure I'd miss it as much on the voyager figure. The lack of it really hurts the deluxe version, though, since the latter half of his truck is so poor. Not that the front is exceptional by any means, but I could definitely forgive it if the legs were covered by a trailer! As it is, they're so friggin' long and high (due to the stupid kneepad thingies) that they have thus far resisted all of my attempts to fit Prime with a generic trailer from another toy/model line. :(
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Postby Auto Bot » Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:24 am

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Chaos Bringer wrote:Starscream's pointless new transformation sacrificed the underside of the jetmode more than was necessary and limited head articulation. Robotmasters did a way better job.


Robotmasters is one of the better Seekers version. Although i can't give him a clear winner status. Although it has remain true to G1 transformation, plus a lot of improvements; it has also inherited one of G1's weakness. The hollow backside. It's like Starscream has no backbone. Well, of course, his character has no backbone. But it just doesn't look good from behind.

Robotmasters SS gains more points in jet mode.

While Classics SS still look better in robot mode.

I also feel the need to add that Robot Masters Seekers lack articulation that could have easily been added and they lack a certain bulk that the Classics have. I mean, the Classics look like bodybuilders next to the PM Seekers ... the real downside of the jet mode is that hoop you can stick yer little finger in. Otherwise I like it fine.


Hoop? Where's that?

The only Robot Master Seekers i've held in my hands are KO toys. They don't have much articulation. None at the legs part. I thought this was just a simplification of the KO manufacturers.

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Hoop. Well, hoop-ish. I dunno what you wanna call it, but it can fit over my little finger.

I have the same KO Seekers. The articulation is exactly the same except the arms tend not to fall off as much on the real ones. Of course, right out of the package the wing fell off my Thundercracker fell off so ..... yeah.

The lack of articulation of the Seekers and Star Saber really dissappointed me in the RM line because it woulda taken absolutely nothing to give it to them. Without it, they just sorta stand there. And since I display my Seekers in bot mode ..... superior robot mode means overall superior toy.

Beisdes, if I was a kid, I'd probably fit my finger in there and go "whoosh" all day.


Yeah. The hoop thing marred what should have been a spectacular alt mode.
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Postby Wes Crayon » Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:49 am

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:Beisdes, if I was a kid, I'd probably fit my finger in there and go "whoosh" all day.

Yeah. The hoop thing marred what should have been a spectacular alt mode.

But that hoop is perfect for flying him around, isn't it? Hasbro should've mentioned it as a legitimate feature of the toy in the instructions. :P
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Postby BOTS and CONS » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:09 am

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ionacus wrote:the botcon set. anyone who couldnt afford them couldnt get them.


Isn't that the same for anything that one has to pay for?


yea it sucks



Yah! Vety true!!! :-x I just wish they would eventually find their way into the shelves of regular toyshops. :-?
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Postby BOTS and CONS » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:13 am

Auto Bot wrote:I'm quite disappointed that Devastator is a repaint of another line. And that there were only 5 bots.

There's more. The biggest let down is, 2 of the bots are twins of the other 2. So it's like only 3 unique bots.

The beauty of Devastator is that he's got six totally different and unique members. Which makes up one giant asymmetrical robot. This beauty was lost in Classics Devastator.


Right! I would also prefer the ORIGINAL CLASSIC DEVASTATOR design! :-x 5 bots only? looks like Voltes-Vish for me... :-x

I hope they would re-issue the REAL Classic Devastator... :-?
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Postby BOTS and CONS » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:27 am

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LigerJohn wrote:Jetfire, grimlock and astrotrain. these were the figures I picked up last. And they were craptacular.


Jetfire was craptacular?!

You are going to have a hard time finding someone to agree with you there.

Jetfire is considered the must have of the line next to Optimus.


Actually, I think the seekers were the bnest of the line hands down.

Pime is, meh, vehicle mode looks stupid to me, and the shields on the arms in bot mode and lack of smoke stacks is the death knoll for the fig.

Skyfire, I'll agree on. The nose in alt mode should have been more squared off, but overall pretty good.



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U're out of your mind dude...He's simply the BEST of all CLASSICS! :grin: the highest WOW factor level!! :grin:
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Postby schizophrenica » Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:34 am

I happen to like the Classics Devastator.. I know they're repaints of constructicon maximus but I love the energon lines as well.. I'd say Grimlock was below my expectation a bit.. The alt mode was pretty cool and the top half of robot mode.. But the chicken feet............ :?
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Postby medabotsoundwave » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:48 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Bring it.




aerialbot prime wrote:magnus didnt come with his armor and hes ugly


Counterpunch wrote:Ok, the armor thing is annoying, but there is that 'ugo' word again....You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.


INCONCEIVABLE!!! I'm totally thinking "The Princess Bride" right now. LOL. I now have coffee speckles on my monitor, and some is seeping its way into my keyboard as well.

I dunno CP, some people just hate on things just to be a "non-conformist." That's what I'm thinking since there's no valid backup to AP's classics "issues."

I commend you for defending the line. I give your comeback an 11teen out of 10. :P

I didn't think it was possible for anybody to dislike classics Mirage.

Also, why do you still plan to buy CJ? :???:
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Postby ragingtsunami726 » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:49 pm

Man! Whats with the Grimlock hate? Sure, his legs are a tad funky but he's also A ROBOT T-REX WITH A LASER CANNON ON IT'S BACK. That is radical. Devastator was awesome. Cliffjumper was sweet-ish. Not as good as Bumblebee.

My biggest issue? I want a bigger Astrotrain. His glory cannot be found in a deluxe. I want a Voyager...

Or bigger :grin:
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:51 pm

The Minicons all the way around sucked more than minicons usualy do. But my biggest Classics letdown would have to be BotCon!
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:58 pm

BOTS and CONS wrote:
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LigerJohn wrote:Jetfire, grimlock and astrotrain. these were the figures I picked up last. And they were craptacular.


Jetfire was craptacular?!

You are going to have a hard time finding someone to agree with you there.

Jetfire is considered the must have of the line next to Optimus.


Actually, I think the seekers were the bnest of the line hands down.

Pime is, meh, vehicle mode looks stupid to me, and the shields on the arms in bot mode and lack of smoke stacks is the death knoll for the fig.

Skyfire, I'll agree on. The nose in alt mode should have been more squared off, but overall pretty good.



JETFIRE's craptacular???? :-x :-x
U're out of your mind dude...He's simply the BEST of all CLASSICS! :grin: the highest WOW factor level!! :grin:


Jetfire looks alright, I don't like his head though. The homage is overall great, and I like the comicish upgrades(would love to see a actual comic based line).

However, he doesn't balance well at all and constantly tips over. That right there is why this figure looses alot of points with me.

As far as a "Must Have" remember, one man's trash is anothers treasure :-?
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