The Energon Pub

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:dud e the fact that we are up to 10 pages of disgruntlements over the classics proves that my expectations are a drop in the bucket of things that could have been done differently with the classics.. they aren't the best an all that in transformer toys..No offense.. I know you love them very much, as well as you should , you spent quite a chunk of change on them and the Botcon's stuff...

Actually, I have to be honest about something.

My expenses for the entire Classics line has been -$150.

That's right, in actuality, I made $150 by purchasing the toys or multiple copies of figures. That's not including the accurement in value.

but on to the other thing you said...

YOU GAVE TRANSFORMERS FANS A THREAD SPECIFICALLY IN WHICH TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS!!!

It's a God-given miracle that it is ONLY 10 pages at this point. It's a testament to the fact that Classics is really a good line that we only have 10 pages (hardly all of which is bad at that). More than half the thread is pictures. This is the same fandom that gave someone 9 pages of crap for buying Ultimate Bumblebee for $20.

and this is coming from me, the guy who wrote what might have been the harshest review yet of Classics Prime..

Dude, you did what?!
I must read that review!

Dead Metal wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:dud e the fact that we are up to 10 pages of disgruntlements over the classics proves that my expectations are a drop in the bucket of things that could have been done differently with the classics.. they aren't the best an all that in transformer toys..No offense.. I know you love them very much, as well as you should , you spent quite a chunk of change on them and the Botcon's stuff...

Actually, I have to be honest about something.

My expenses for the entire Classics line has been -$150.

That's right, in actuality, I made $150 by purchasing the toys or multiple copies of figures. That's not including the accurement in value.

but on to the other thing you said...

YOU GAVE TRANSFORMERS FANS A THREAD SPECIFICALLY IN WHICH TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS!!!

It's a God-given miracle that it is ONLY 10 pages at this point. It's a testament to the fact that Classics is really a good line that we only have 10 pages (hardly all of which is bad at that). More than half the thread is pictures. This is the same fandom that gave someone 9 pages of crap for buying Ultimate Bumblebee for $20.

and this is coming from me, the guy who wrote what might have been the harshest review yet of Classics Prime..

Dude, you did what?!
I must read that review!

is that in the review section?? i want to check it out too..?

Edit Not in the review section..

skywarp-2 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:dud e the fact that we are up to 10 pages of disgruntlements over the classics proves that my expectations are a drop in the bucket of things that could have been done differently with the classics.. they aren't the best an all that in transformer toys..No offense.. I know you love them very much, as well as you should , you spent quite a chunk of change on them and the Botcon's stuff...

Actually, I have to be honest about something.

My expenses for the entire Classics line has been -$150.

That's right, in actuality, I made $150 by purchasing the toys or multiple copies of figures. That's not including the accurement in value.

but on to the other thing you said...

YOU GAVE TRANSFORMERS FANS A THREAD SPECIFICALLY IN WHICH TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS!!!

It's a God-given miracle that it is ONLY 10 pages at this point. It's a testament to the fact that Classics is really a good line that we only have 10 pages (hardly all of which is bad at that). More than half the thread is pictures. This is the same fandom that gave someone 9 pages of crap for buying Ultimate Bumblebee for $20.

and this is coming from me, the guy who wrote what might have been the harshest review yet of Classics Prime..

Dude, you did what?!
I must read that review!

is that in the review section?? i want to check it out too..?

No, I did it when the toy was first released.

Highlights include:

-hating on the retardedly handled arm 'wings'
-tiny upper body
-the failure of a connection port for hooking up existing trailers.

the arm wings really bothered me and seemed to be a poor design element.

I still think it's a faithful conversion of G1 Prime with modern elements to it. Hell it's basically even still a flat nose truck.

To say the figure is a failure because somestacks are not attached to the arms or because the shoulders do not have autobot symbols is just crazy.

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:dud e the fact that we are up to 10 pages of disgruntlements over the classics proves that my expectations are a drop in the bucket of things that could have been done differently with the classics.. they aren't the best an all that in transformer toys..No offense.. I know you love them very much, as well as you should , you spent quite a chunk of change on them and the Botcon's stuff...

Actually, I have to be honest about something.

My expenses for the entire Classics line has been -$150.

That's right, in actuality, I made $150 by purchasing the toys or multiple copies of figures. That's not including the accurement in value.

but on to the other thing you said...

YOU GAVE TRANSFORMERS FANS A THREAD SPECIFICALLY IN WHICH TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS!!!

It's a God-given miracle that it is ONLY 10 pages at this point. It's a testament to the fact that Classics is really a good line that we only have 10 pages (hardly all of which is bad at that). More than half the thread is pictures. This is the same fandom that gave someone 9 pages of crap for buying Ultimate Bumblebee for $20.

and this is coming from me, the guy who wrote what might have been the harshest review yet of Classics Prime..

Dude, you did what?!
I must read that review!

is that in the review section?? i want to check it out too..?

No, I did it when the toy was first released.

Highlights include:

-hating on the retardedly handled arm 'wings'
-tiny upper body
-the failure of a connection port for hooking up existing trailers.

the arm wings really bothered me and seemed to be a poor design element.

I still think it's a faithful conversion of G1 Prime with modern elements to it. Hell it's basically even still a flat nose truck.

To say the figure is a failure because somestacks are not attached to the arms or because the shoulders do not have autobot symbols is just crazy.

ahhh.... but what of the Spatula Crotch!!

no armor for ultra magnus

skywarp-2 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:dud e the fact that we are up to 10 pages of disgruntlements over the classics proves that my expectations are a drop in the bucket of things that could have been done differently with the classics.. they aren't the best an all that in transformer toys..No offense.. I know you love them very much, as well as you should , you spent quite a chunk of change on them and the Botcon's stuff...

Actually, I have to be honest about something.

My expenses for the entire Classics line has been -$150.

That's right, in actuality, I made $150 by purchasing the toys or multiple copies of figures. That's not including the accurement in value.

but on to the other thing you said...

YOU GAVE TRANSFORMERS FANS A THREAD SPECIFICALLY IN WHICH TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS!!!

It's a God-given miracle that it is ONLY 10 pages at this point. It's a testament to the fact that Classics is really a good line that we only have 10 pages (hardly all of which is bad at that). More than half the thread is pictures. This is the same fandom that gave someone 9 pages of crap for buying Ultimate Bumblebee for $20.

and this is coming from me, the guy who wrote what might have been the harshest review yet of Classics Prime..

Dude, you did what?!
I must read that review!

is that in the review section?? i want to check it out too..?

No, I did it when the toy was first released.

Highlights include:

-hating on the retardedly handled arm 'wings'
-tiny upper body
-the failure of a connection port for hooking up existing trailers.

the arm wings really bothered me and seemed to be a poor design element.

I still think it's a faithful conversion of G1 Prime with modern elements to it. Hell it's basically even still a flat nose truck.

To say the figure is a failure because somestacks are not attached to the arms or because the shoulders do not have autobot symbols is just crazy.

ahhh.... but what of the Spatula Crotch!!

I actually hadn't noticed.

The codpiece of Optimus Prime isn't something that I'm qualified to do a review on.

Counterpunch wrote:No, I did it when the toy was first released.

Highlights include:

-hating on the retardedly handled arm 'wings'
-tiny upper body
-the failure of a connection port for hooking up existing trailers.

the arm wings really bothered me and seemed to be a poor design element.

I still think it's a faithful conversion of G1 Prime with modern elements to it. Hell it's basically even still a flat nose truck.

To say the figure is a failure because somestacks are not attached to the arms or because the shoulders do not have autobot symbols is just crazy.

I just wanted to agree, the arme kibble and lack of trailer port, ugh, kills me!

I hope one day for a Prime with a universal trailer hitch so he can hook up any trailer. Put all the options in a line and it would be pretty easy

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:No, I did it when the toy was first released.

Highlights include:

-hating on the retardedly handled arm 'wings'
-tiny upper body
-the failure of a connection port for hooking up existing trailers.

the arm wings really bothered me and seemed to be a poor design element.

I still think it's a faithful conversion of G1 Prime with modern elements to it. Hell it's basically even still a flat nose truck.

To say the figure is a failure because somestacks are not attached to the arms or because the shoulders do not have autobot symbols is just crazy.

I just wanted to agree, the arme kibble and lack of trailer port, ugh, kills me!

I hope one day for a Prime with a universal trailer hitch so he can hook up any trailer. Put all the options in a line and it would be pretty easy

A "universal trailer hitch" would be a real feat considering how many trailers there've been in the past. Powermaster, G1, and G2 all have very different ports.

Couldn't you fanwork it?

I just don't care for Classics Astrotrain, though it's still cool to have a pretty poseable triple changer. Ultra Magnus isn't very good, but I wasn't expecting much for a Prime repaint and considering the 2 pack he came in retailed for $20, you were, in effect, getting UM for half the price of Prime. My appreciation for Prime has waned after transforming him several times, but he's a lot of fun in the different poses he can make. Grimlock has some bad qualities, but also has some good things going for him, as well(alt mode, I think his transformation is the most unique of the line, I like his arms and wrists.

All in all, though, I just don't understand why the Classics line is so villified by some; considering it was a line of mostly $10 deluxes, I wasn't exactly expecting Masterpiece quality in the first place, just solid figures with a few real standouts(like most TF lines). As it stands, some of the updates on these characters don't quite work, but, IMO, the majority do(I don't have Megatron and Devastator).

I can't find much wrong with Ramjet, Skywarp, Jetfire, and Bumblebee, and any shortcomings Starscream, Mirage, Rodimus, and Prime have are overcome by their strengths. I'm not going to let a few quibbles ruin overall good figures for me.

But think about it The original had the post on the robot, the PM version had a smaller post on the trailer. So why not put a hole in the post for the origional trailer? The post on Laser Prime's trailer is about the same size as PM's so thats one less too.


Do a series of those going down the back of the hitch and it wouldn't be hard. Hell if they worked at it they could even fit on the apropriate clips for Cybertron and RID's payloads. Who's to say the back pannels of the legs couldn't rotate just to increase options

But thats just it, it would be work, something import repaint Hasbro isn't a fan of doing.

Liege Evilmus wrote:But thats just it, it would be work, something import repaint Hasbro isn't a fan of doing.

In fairness to Hasbro, it doesn't really make sence to devote time into that idea. It caters to only hardcore fans and requires the buyer to have a product from a variety of decades.

I still don't know if it's possible. The connector itself isn't as much of a concern as to the fact that it raises the trailer so that it isn't level to the ground. Or it might, I dunno. Connecting it to PM Prime's trailer might be feasable since it has a huge empty space where Prime's huge legs could fit. But I dunno about the other trailers. I don't think it's be too hard to mod Classics prime to fit PM Prime's trailer. You'd really only need a drill.

But wasn't Classics mainly for "hard core collectors" who most likely have more than one trailer sitting around?

Hell, just from stuff laying around the house I can think of alot of things that would be easy to attach with alittle work. Besides most trailers since the first have no forward support at all.

As for Hasbro being lazy, how long has it been since we had something as simple as a new basic/scout figure and not just a repaint? Keeping in mind we can't even get something as simple as a new head for any recent CliffJumpers, I think that's fair to say.

Liege Evilmus wrote:But wasn't Classics mainly for "hard core collectors" who most likely have more than one trailer sitting around?

Hell, just from stuff laying around the house I can think of alot of things that would be easy to attach with alittle work. Besides most trailers since the first have no forward support at all.

As for Hasbro being lazy, how long has it been since we had something as simple as a new basic/scout figure and not just a repaint? Keeping in mind we can't even get something as simple as a new head for any recent CliffJumpers, I think that's fair to say.

Classics were meant to appeal to older collectors, but also older childhood fans who may have heard about the movie coming out and might've wanted something to harken back to the old days. To say that their lazy because they didn't make it backwards compatable with a toy from 20 years ago is sheer fallacy. It's like compaining that the N64 isn't compatable with your old NES games.

But that doesn't men you can't just take an old PM Prime trailer and just stick it on top of your Prime for display. But I really don't think it's work with other trailers.

As for them being lazy, well ... I'll agree with you on the Cliffjumper's head notion. And I'll admit I dislike poor paint applications and missessembled figures. But, reuses of molds is just smart buisness. And Hasbro is a buisness, not a bunch of people who are fans of the show they made 20 years earlier. I'm not saying I love seeing molds whored out, but I do like to see Hasbro make money. And if repaints are an easy way to do that ...

I have very few complaints about the Classics line, but if I was to nitpick, I'd bring up the following points:

- Megatron being released & colored as a ridiculous looking NERF gun

- Ultra Magnus being released as another white repaint of Prime

- Grimlock's extraordinarily lame robot mode & dino feet, and small size

- Astrotrain's barely articulated legs

- Cliffjumper's blue headlights

- Lack of guns for Bumblebee & Cliffjumper

- Lack of silver paint on Starscream's face

- As much as I love Ramjet's mold, I think the 3rd normal retail Seeker should have been Thundercracker and the "coneheads" left as BotCon exclusives - it would have saved a lot of people a lot of headaches

- Jetfire's limited articulation and no-brainer transform

- poopy repaints of awful Energon figures being passed off as "Classics" Devastator, thus cancelling the chance of ever getting a proper 6-figure set of redesigned Constructicons

- Springer being a wasted repaint for BotCon, which now means we'll never see him as a properly updated triple-changer ala Astrotrain and soon Octane

- No official Classics version of Soundwave (G1 reissue doesn't count) - but thankfully MP3 Soundwave fills the gap, though at a steep price

- That the line itself stopped aka went on hiatus with so few characters. I'm looking forward to the 2008 waves but *desperately* hope that we finally - for once - get proper versions of Ironhide & Ratchet.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:But wasn't Classics mainly for "hard core collectors" who most likely have more than one trailer sitting around?

Hell, just from stuff laying around the house I can think of alot of things that would be easy to attach with alittle work. Besides most trailers since the first have no forward support at all.

As for Hasbro being lazy, how long has it been since we had something as simple as a new basic/scout figure and not just a repaint? Keeping in mind we can't even get something as simple as a new head for any recent CliffJumpers, I think that's fair to say.

Classics were meant to appeal to older collectors, but also older childhood fans who may have heard about the movie coming out and might've wanted something to harken back to the old days. To say that their lazy because they didn't make it backwards compatable with a toy from 20 years ago is sheer fallacy. It's like compaining that the N64 isn't compatable with your old NES games.

But that doesn't men you can't just take an old PM Prime trailer and just stick it on top of your Prime for display. But I really don't think it's work with other trailers.

As for them being lazy, well ... I'll agree with you on the Cliffjumper's head notion. And I'll admit I dislike poor paint applications and missessembled figures. But, reuses of molds is just smart buisness. And Hasbro is a buisness, not a bunch of people who are fans of the show they made 20 years earlier. I'm not saying I love seeing molds whored out, but I do like to see Hasbro make money. And if repaints are an easy way to do that ...

Actualy I always complained that game systems wheren't backwards compatable. That's why I love the PlayStation line! In the terms of video games, with all the vintage collections out I must not be the only one who feels as such.

As for repaints being good busness sense. Imediatly, yes it it but long term it'll only bite them in the ass. After all who needs 3 or 10 variants of a character. Most who never even made it onto a show? The consumer base will grow disenchanted after a while. The best way in any industry to keep profits up, is to keep product fresh. Hence, unlike Takara who keeps trying new things, Hasbro is lazy.

cellshock wrote:I have very few complaints about the Classics line, but if I was to nitpick, I'd bring up the following points:

- Megatron being released & colored as a ridiculous looking NERF gun

- Ultra Magnus being released as another white repaint of Prime

- Grimlock's extraordinarily lame robot mode & dino feet, and small size

- Astrotrain's barely articulated legs

- Cliffjumper's blue headlights

- Lack of guns for Bumblebee & Cliffjumper

- Lack of silver paint on Starscream's face

- As much as I love Ramjet's mold, I think the 3rd normal retail Seeker should have been Thundercracker and the "coneheads" left as BotCon exclusives - it would have saved a lot of people a lot of headaches

- Jetfire's limited articulation and no-brainer transform

- poopy repaints of awful Energon figures being passed off as "Classics" Devastator, thus cancelling the chance of ever getting a proper 6-figure set of redesigned Constructicons

- Springer being a wasted repaint for BotCon, which now means we'll never see him as a properly updated triple-changer ala Astrotrain and soon Octane

- No official Classics version of Soundwave (G1 reissue doesn't count) - but thankfully MP3 Soundwave fills the gap, though at a steep price

- That the line itself stopped aka went on hiatus with so few characters. I'm looking forward to the 2008 waves but *desperately* hope that we finally - for once - get proper versions of Ironhide & Ratchet.

let me first say this.. I love your Avatar.. and as far as what you said about finally getting proper versions.. I liken it to the whole line..

I remember the days when there were new and wild toy ideas hitting the shelves in the 80s and when it wasn't just toy figures, but playsets, trailers, extra armor... great realisitc paint applications, chrome and yes diecast.. now I understand toy laws and things changing, and I understand repaints to a point.. but with the amount of repaints that have been coming out, with mostly figures being produced and no imagination given to armor, devestator as a combiner, or trailers not to mention just doing a new head sculpt.. the whole Hasbro making money off repaints and their lazy attitudes towards the genre in general make me wonder if you guys are blinded by the whole, Hasbro is a Business defense..

I keep hearing that, and I still think they are wrong!! I mean Transformers isn't Hasbro's only line of toys, they also have games and other lines that reach far into Babies R' US.. the way some of you talk in defense of Hasbro's business and repaint practices, you'd think the company was on its last leg and broke!!! Come off it.. they can and should do better!!

I always feel like this when trying to critque Hasbro here, because there are these people who consistantly act as if Hasbro is on the street begging for them to buy the repaints.. it's laziness pure and simple!!easy money for willing dopes.. can we move the bar up a notch and return to the days of grand ideas??

Oh and on the 25th Gi Joe front, why the hell couldn't Sepentor actually look like he did in the TV show instead of 600 variants of Cobra Commander?? And whats up with no snake hover chariot?? Lazy!!!

G-1 had a plethora of stuff, granted most was imported from Japan, but lets look forward, there was considerable efforts placed on the Beast Wars toys, RID came out wiuth some nice figures, and Armada even had the most expensive Brick former ever!! A trailer that self transformed..

Okay, so what of other lines laziness?? Beast wars reissues line.. ummm yeah, could they have atleast given them the level of accurate repaints Takara Tomy did?? Or resculpted heads as with Cheetor? What of the Rubber band thingy in Megatron's chest??

Let's take a look at the cheap repaint of Optimus Prime Masterpiece shall we??

But again, here's the crutch, Classics is only a filler line.. okay, i understand that, a filler line.. but why not give us accurate and dynamic representations of the character since it was a filler, we could have had stand out figures!! Instead we just had some good figures, the rest of the repaints in Botcon ( which i still don't understand, since it was a filler line, you'd think they would have made those figures accessible for those wanting the most mileage fromt eh "Filler" line), I still believe it could have been better..

Actualy I always complained that game systems wheren't backwards compatable. That's why I love the PlayStation line! In the terms of video games, with all the vintage collections out I must not be the only one who feels as such.

As for repaints being good busness sense. Imediatly, yes it it but long term it'll only bite them in the ass. After all who needs 3 or 10 variants of a character. Most who never even made it onto a show? The consumer base will grow disenchanted after a while. The best way in any industry to keep profits up, is to keep product fresh. Hence, unlike Takara who keeps trying new things, Hasbro is lazy.

You have got to be kidding me on this one. Takara NOT being hot on repaints? Have you seen what they sell? They had all those Unicron Trilogy repaints too y'know. That's their bread-and-butter too.

Not all backwards compatability makes sence. The Playstation is NOT 20 years old. And it's really easy to make a CD system work. The NES was made a certain way with a certain size. That's why it's a better example. It's alsot more work to make a new NES system that's be compatable with that sorta stuff.

G1 Prime is made a certain way. NOT ONLY would they need to make an (impossibly) universal connector peice, but they would have to keep the leg sizes fairly consistant. And that's nuts from anyone's point of veiw but a hardcore fan. Because only a hardcore fan would have extra trailer from older lines lying around to use.

Think about it. Why would the toy designer who made Prime possibly expect someone to care about connecting an old trailer to him? And, even if the idea occurred to him, would he compromise the design he wants to make for the sake of adapting a trailer from 20 years ago into his design? G1 Prime has some thin legs you know.

I mean it *might* add play value to Prime. Play value for the 20 year old collector who has an older Prime trailer.

I mean, I can see faulting Hasbro for outright BAD designs. Or BAD paint jobs / applications. Those are things they have some control over and that they choose to do incorrectly. I'll also see eye-to-eye with you on the lack of origional heads. Both Classic and movie Cliffjumper coulds stood to see a changed head.

BUT to blame Hasbro for not taking into consideration an accessory from 20 years ago? That they're not even selling anymore? That's not even made by the same designer? That's a stretch to me. Especially when there are updated, reimagines takes on the characters, NOT slavishly faithful reproductions.

I mean there has to be a relism to expectations from a company. If you expect them to be set into the mindset that they have to cater to the old, origional fans all the time, in every way, and be completely true to old ideas of design then you will never be happy with what they make.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:[BUT to blame Hasbro for not taking into consideration an accessory from 20 years ago? That they're not even selling anymore?

yeah they aren't selling G-1 Primes anymore....


cough******Encore***cough*** Wal-Mart.com****cough Cough***Target .com*****cough***Toys R'US...

any online store!!!!

Gauntlet101010 wrote:[. Especially when there are updated, reimagines takes on the characters, NOT slavishly faithful reproductions.

How many slavish reproductions has Hasbro made of Prime?? I mean really.. besides the G-1, the Deluxe and Importing and repainting the Masterpiece...I really only count 3....

G-2, Machine Wars, RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron.. Beast Wars, and now Animated ect... how many of those were slavishly faithful to the original design?? RM and THS don't count, they were only sold in Japan.. so I think to date we haven't had a really truly "Toy" version of the original Optimus Prime.. the deluxe Classics is crap, and I feel as if they did that on purpose, almost.. because of the lack of care and crummy gimmick associated with the fist action..

A leader class or Voyager of the original with a trailer accessory, and slavishly faithful.... I really don't see anything wrong with that..I think it would sell, and even more so then the Voyager Spatula crotch Prime that we got

skywarp-2 wrote:yeah they aren't selling G-1 Primes anymore....


cough******Encore***cough*** Wal-Mart.com****cough Cough***Target .com*****cough***Toys R'US...

any online store!!!!

Any online store.

And are those Hasbro releases? Or Takara releases? Not to mention that it's AFTER the fact.

How many slavish reproductiosn has Hasbro madeof Prime??

Masterpeice Prime? Actionmasters Prime? Heroes of Cybertron (best one yet, it doesn't even transform ... just like the cartoon model)? Robot Heroes? The smaller Titaniums?

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:yeah they aren't selling G-1 Primes anymore....


cough******Encore***cough*** Wal-Mart.com****cough Cough***Target .com*****cough***Toys R'US...

any online store!!!!

Any online store.

And are those Hasbro releases? Or Takara releases? Not to mention that it's AFTER the fact.

what does that matter?? I mean just because it's after the classics were released doesn't mean a thing.. those toys keep coming around, and if your looking for the trailer and reissues before the classics release... try Toys R' US 2002-2004, or the Takara collection ones.. it has been released over and over since the 80s, to say no one would have the trailer to use because of 20 plus years or uncirculation isn't true..and well it just isn't true!!

Not saying anything bad against your opinion, I respect it, so please understand that, I am just pointing out a fact..

skywarp-2 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:yeah they aren't selling G-1 Primes anymore....


cough******Encore***cough*** Wal-Mart.com****cough Cough***Target .com*****cough***Toys R'US...

any online store!!!!

Any online store.

And are those Hasbro releases? Or Takara releases? Not to mention that it's AFTER the fact.

what does that matter?? I mean just because it's after the classics were released doens't mean a thing.. those toys keep coming around,a nd if your looking for the traile ran dreissues before try Toys R' US 2002-2004, or the Takara ones.. it has been released over and over since the 80s, to say no one would have the trailer ot use because of 20 plus years isn't true..and well it just isn't true!!

Not saying anything bad against your opinion, I respect it, so please understand that, I am just pointing out a fact..

It matters alot when you're a buisness. Even something from two years gone by isn't relevant anymore. Who wants to sell accessories to a line you're not running anymore?

Yeah, it's been re-released alot since it's time, but that doesn't mean their target demographic (children 10 and up) have those things. I mean, they are not selling to us. They CONSIDER us, but when they're designing these things they are not selling to us.

I mean, arguing that it should connect to ARMADA Prime's trailer might be a valid point (if it were released at the time of Armada, for the sake of argument). Because that would add consistancy. It would be relevant to the products they are selling today. But, by the time of Classics Prime, there weren't any Primes on the shelves that they could cross with ... even if they were inclined to. I mean, maybe Cybertron's trailer might have worked ... I'm not very familiar with it.

From a marketing perpective it makes very little sence to care about a product you don't currently sell. That's not even in the line of toys that you're selling.

And that's not even going over the DESIGN issues on why it makes no sence. As said,Classics Prime's legs are thicker than G1 Prime's legs. Even if he had the right kind of peg, it just wouldn't work.

Edit: And I'm looking at Classics Prime and he DOES have a trailer connector peice in the form of a tiny square. Although I'm not sure that'd work for G1 Prime's trailer.

that's wierd?? I thought that he didn't have a trailer port.. hmmm maybe they were gonna do one, but changed their minds..

I really wish they had rethought Voyager Prime's forearms, and given him some yellow triangles instead of paint brushes.. he looks like he's a handy man waiting to fix something!! the spatula says he's a cook.. some minor changes should have been done before it left the factory..

http://tfkenkon.com/g/albums/Collection ... rime06.jpg

Tiny square. Not that I think it actually connects to G1 Prime's trailer. No, I think we'd have seen that by now if it did.

I just think it's folly for a company to be faulted for not cross-connectting to a line NOT on the shelves.

Edit:
I mean, I can understand being let down by some of the classics figures, sure. But Prime ... I mean they MADE a G1 Prime. They made several at various times.








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Seriously ONE of these HAS to appeal to you! Why not just buy that one? Two of those were even IN the Classics line. They've made show-accurate Primes in various sizes .... and they're even MORE show-accurate when they DON'T transform. The TV model didn't even transform anyway, really. I don't understand the hate for updates for Prime when they have CLEARLY made so many of them over the years. And re-issued the origional to boot.

I mean, there's so many versions of G1 Prime out there ... to go on and on about how the voyager Classics Prime doesn't "fit in" and doesn't have all those dream accessories you think he needs seems like a total waste of time!

If people want G1 toys buy vintage! If you want slavish cartoon reproductions buy Heroes of Cybertron! If you want Cartoon inspired AND Transformation but Masterpeice! Things don't have to dissappoint you just because they don't follow the G1 cartoon aestetic every single time.

I mean, you seem to fault HasTak for not thinking like a hardcore TF fan. But blaming them for not making toys cross-compatable or for not following the non-transforming, blocky look of the G1 cartoon every time ... but none of that makes ANY sense for them to do. I hear your complaint about lack of remolded heads and bad paint apps, but the rest is just being completely unrealistic.

skywarp-2 wrote:I remember the days when there were new and wild toy ideas hitting the shelves in the 80s and when it wasn't just toy figures, but playsets, trailers, extra armor... great realisitc paint applications, chrome and yes diecast.. now I understand toy laws and things changing, and I understand repaints to a point.. but with the amount of repaints that have been coming out, with mostly figures being produced and no imagination given to armor, devestator as a combiner, or trailers not to mention just doing a new head sculpt.. the whole Hasbro making money off repaints and their lazy attitudes towards the genre in general make me wonder if you guys are blinded by the whole, Hasbro is a Business defense..

There's so much I want to tear apart from your post, but I'll just start that Transformers was INVENTED as a line of cheap repaints.

Hasbro saw Diaclone / Microchange. They say "This is potential $$$." They buy it and repackage it under a new plot and name.

Besides, you just got through Universe and Energon. There have been FOUR different "Devastators" already. LET IT DIE.

I just feel like the "it's not G1 enough" argument is a really bad one and completely fan-centric without regards to outside factors.

To me, complaining about paint apps, easily corrected sculpting problems, assembly errors, fragility, and lack of new heads seem to be very logical arguments. These are the sorta arguments that make alot of sence.

But complaining that it isn't slavishly faithful to a cartoon show from 20 years ago when they are clearly upgraded figures doesn't make any sence. The cartoon models don't actually transform. Moreover they're 80's vehicles, this is the new millenium. The design astetic is blocky and plain where modern toys have to be fairly complex and fluid. The cartoon models don't exactly lend themselves to articulation either; alot of that movement is not possible.

I mean, at a certain point, you have to stand back and say "the Neo G1 stuff is a refreshing blast from the past" instead of complaining that it isn't slavishly recrating your childhood.