The Energon Pub

The Chopnel wrote:My personal biggest classics letdown is that my area apparently only received one case of the first wave deluxes, and nothing after that, until the deluxe Prime/Megatron 2-pack

And so I didn't get to buy any classics, because I didn't have money at the time that one single case was on shelves. Pretty big letdown, isn't it?

Dead Metal wrote:

The Chopnel wrote:My personal biggest classics letdown is that my area apparently only received one case of the first wave deluxes, and nothing after that, until the deluxe Prime/Megatron 2-pack

And so I didn't get to buy any classics, because I didn't have money at the time that one single case was on shelves. Pretty big letdown, isn't it?

You should be gratefully that you even got a case, wile there was never one in my country!

Nekoman wrote:Know what I think the biggest classics let down was? The fans who didn’t respect it for how good it was.
Besides, the mini-cons were cybertron mini-cons that were instead packaged as Classics to flesh out the line.

Counterpunch wrote:

Wes Crayon wrote:I do like that change! Admittedly, I'm not all that off on voyagers anyway -- I generally like my action figures to stay in the 4.5"-6" range; it's matter of personal preference obviously not shared by many around these parts -- but the blue shoulders were among the main reason that I didn't buy the voyager Prime. That said, I'm not sure if they have blue in the back, so has anyone tried switching the shoulders? I'm not sure if that would work,

It would not work. There are recessed areas on one side of the shoulders, but not the other which are essential to the transformation.

Dead Metal wrote::shock:
dude, deluxe Prime isn't more poseable!
Voyager Prime is one of the most poseble Primes ever, no way deluxe can stand a chance to him, I have both, deluxe version sux babybals wen put up against him!
But it's you personal preference, so I don't want to judge you, but man you can't just go about and say Copter Prime is more poseble.

skywarp-2 wrote:Would this simple change have been so bad??

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Actualy I always complained that game systems wheren't backwards compatable. That's why I love the PlayStation line! In the terms of video games, with all the vintage collections out I must not be the only one who feels as such.

As for repaints being good busness sense. Imediatly, yes it it but long term it'll only bite them in the ass. After all who needs 3 or 10 variants of a character. Most who never even made it onto a show? The consumer base will grow disenchanted after a while. The best way in any industry to keep profits up, is to keep product fresh. Hence, unlike Takara who keeps trying new things, Hasbro is lazy.

You have got to be kidding me on this one. Takara NOT being hot on repaints? Have you seen what they sell? They had all those Unicron Trilogy repaints too y'know. That's their bread-and-butter too.

Not all backwards compatability makes sence. The Playstation is NOT 20 years old. And it's really easy to make a CD system work. The NES was made a certain way with a certain size. That's why it's a better example. It's alsot more work to make a new NES system that's be compatable with that sorta stuff.

G1 Prime is made a certain way. NOT ONLY would they need to make an (impossibly) universal connector peice, but they would have to keep the leg sizes fairly consistant. And that's nuts from anyone's point of veiw but a hardcore fan. Because only a hardcore fan would have extra trailer from older lines lying around to use.

Think about it. Why would the toy designer who made Prime possibly expect someone to care about connecting an old trailer to him? And, even if the idea occurred to him, would he compromise the design he wants to make for the sake of adapting a trailer from 20 years ago into his design? G1 Prime has some thin legs you know.

I mean it *might* add play value to Prime. Play value for the 20 year old collector who has an older Prime trailer.

I mean, I can see faulting Hasbro for outright BAD designs. Or BAD paint jobs / applications. Those are things they have some control over and that they choose to do incorrectly. I'll also see eye-to-eye with you on the lack of origional heads. Both Classic and movie Cliffjumper coulds stood to see a changed head.

BUT to blame Hasbro for not taking into consideration an accessory from 20 years ago? That they're not even selling anymore? That's not even made by the same designer? That's a stretch to me. Especially when there are updated, reimagines takes on the characters, NOT slavishly faithful reproductions.

I mean there has to be a relism to expectations from a company. If you expect them to be set into the mindset that they have to cater to the old, origional fans all the time, in every way, and be completely true to old ideas of design then you will never be happy with what they make.

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Actualy I always complained that game systems wheren't backwards compatable. That's why I love the PlayStation line! In the terms of video games, with all the vintage collections out I must not be the only one who feels as such.

As for repaints being good busness sense. Imediatly, yes it it but long term it'll only bite them in the ass. After all who needs 3 or 10 variants of a character. Most who never even made it onto a show? The consumer base will grow disenchanted after a while. The best way in any industry to keep profits up, is to keep product fresh. Hence, unlike Takara who keeps trying new things, Hasbro is lazy.

You have got to be kidding me on this one. Takara NOT being hot on repaints? Have you seen what they sell? They had all those Unicron Trilogy repaints too y'know. That's their bread-and-butter too.

Not all backwards compatability makes sence. The Playstation is NOT 20 years old. And it's really easy to make a CD system work. The NES was made a certain way with a certain size. That's why it's a better example. It's alsot more work to make a new NES system that's be compatable with that sorta stuff.

G1 Prime is made a certain way. NOT ONLY would they need to make an (impossibly) universal connector peice, but they would have to keep the leg sizes fairly consistant. And that's nuts from anyone's point of veiw but a hardcore fan. Because only a hardcore fan would have extra trailer from older lines lying around to use.

Think about it. Why would the toy designer who made Prime possibly expect someone to care about connecting an old trailer to him? And, even if the idea occurred to him, would he compromise the design he wants to make for the sake of adapting a trailer from 20 years ago into his design? G1 Prime has some thin legs you know.

I mean it *might* add play value to Prime. Play value for the 20 year old collector who has an older Prime trailer.

I mean, I can see faulting Hasbro for outright BAD designs. Or BAD paint jobs / applications. Those are things they have some control over and that they choose to do incorrectly. I'll also see eye-to-eye with you on the lack of origional heads. Both Classic and movie Cliffjumper coulds stood to see a changed head.

BUT to blame Hasbro for not taking into consideration an accessory from 20 years ago? That they're not even selling anymore? That's not even made by the same designer? That's a stretch to me. Especially when there are updated, reimagines takes on the characters, NOT slavishly faithful reproductions.

I mean there has to be a relism to expectations from a company. If you expect them to be set into the mindset that they have to cater to the old, origional fans all the time, in every way, and be completely true to old ideas of design then you will never be happy with what they make.

There is more than one trailer. And you know the idea of people actualy playing with these things and have something like Energon Prime get damaged, so someone else has to haul his load is not the type of fun kids with multiles of the same character wouldn't wanna have

This is the last thing I'm going to say about a universal hitch. I was looking at potential objects I could use to kitbash something together real quick and found the best thing to use is actualy a plain bic pen cap

I just ordered a Prime for sacrafice, then it's just a matter of cutting 2 semicircles on the backs of the legs. Chop the top and arm off the cap, cut it in half, notch the bottom so it'll fit in the semicircles(I don't wanna cut the insides of the legs), shave it down to size, but not to fardown so it can be slid up and down for the different size trailers.

Cost of materials, $22.50 for a used Prime, $0.15 for a pen

Thank you HasBlow!

As for people who would want to collect these things and enjoy them in an interactive manner, you're right, their can't be anyone out there like that! Thats why these old toys go for nothing, give away prices, on places like ebay

Gauntlet101010 wrote:You'll be holding your breath a long time before a Jetfire gets that big. Unless they do a Masterpeice, you ought to just get aRobotech Masterpeice and call it even. Or put Classics Jetfire with a bunch of WSTFs.

Anyways, you're making him too big if you're going for Cartoon acuracy.



He might see too eye-to-eye with Prime, but his scale with Starscream is all right though.



I wouldn't mind an upscaled Grimlock, but shrinking BB is a bit unrealistic. His scale in the cartoon is based off the G1 toy's sizes which weren't exactly conssitant with each other.

But you're in the wrong fandom if you're looking for scale.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:You'll be holding your breath a long time before a Jetfire gets that big. Unless they do a Masterpeice, you ought to just get aRobotech Masterpeice and call it even. Or put Classics Jetfire with a bunch of WSTFs.

Anyways, you're making him too big if you're going for Cartoon acuracy.



He might see too eye-to-eye with Prime, but his scale with Starscream is all right though.



I wouldn't mind an upscaled Grimlock, but shrinking BB is a bit unrealistic. His scale in the cartoon is based off the G1 toy's sizes which weren't exactly conssitant with each other.

But you're in the wrong fandom if you're looking for scale.

Dagon wrote:All this talk about Jetfire reminds me. The biggest Classics letdown was the overall lack of Voyager sized figures. Megs, Prime and Jetfire? I know it was a short line, and that the biggest complaint about it is it's lack of more figures, but whoever said something about Voyager sized Astrotrain made me think that more Voyager figures would have been very, very nice.

Reading over this once more, I don't think it made much sense. But you know what I was getting at.

Satomiblood wrote:That Swoop is pretty poopy. For me though, the biggest Classics letdown would be Devastator. It would've been nice if each mold was different not just in terms of color.

Counterpunch wrote:

Satomiblood wrote:That Swoop is pretty poopy. For me though, the biggest Classics letdown would be Devastator. It would've been nice if each mold was different not just in terms of color.

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Bonger wrote:Those mini craps don't count.

Flaming Megs is wel, just a disgrace. The most bad ass robot ever, as a nerf gun, can't get much worse than that for me.

Bonger wrote:Those mini craps don't count.

Flaming Megs is wel, just a disgrace. The most bad ass robot ever, as a nerf gun, can't get much worse than that for me.

Original Sin wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:You'll be holding your breath a long time before a Jetfire gets that big. Unless they do a Masterpeice, you ought to just get aRobotech Masterpeice and call it even. Or put Classics Jetfire with a bunch of WSTFs.

Anyways, you're making him too big if you're going for Cartoon acuracy.



He might see too eye-to-eye with Prime, but his scale with Starscream is all right though.



I wouldn't mind an upscaled Grimlock, but shrinking BB is a bit unrealistic. His scale in the cartoon is based off the G1 toy's sizes which weren't exactly conssitant with each other.

But you're in the wrong fandom if you're looking for scale.

Jetfire was never in the cartoon.

Skyfire was.

Jetfire was a lame Macross figure, and then a few lame characters in the Unicron Trilogy.