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[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Except that, in the book, Optimus was able to be named Prime since the Council had ruled SZP unfit to carry the title any further. And by the time Optimus recovers SZP in the Kaon Prison, SZP instantly declares that he held the title of Prime for far longer than he should have, saying this to Optimus even before Optimus could tell SZP that he was the new Prime.

In the game, Zeta wasn't/didn't let go of his rank until after he had died.

The events still could have transpired the same in the games universe...even if we didnt see it.

either way I dont see this particular issue [name/titles] as a big contradiction...or even a small one.

[Sabrblade]

Now he's has no memory of his fighting skills and he's with the con's whos track record may/may not suck more then the Stormtroopers.

He taught himself how to fight back when he was Orion Pax.

And I'm not saying not have Megatron NOT be all powerful but when he shrugs off Unicron attempt to control his mind like it was nothing that feels to overpowered.

"Shrug"? He did not "shrug" off Unicron's control. His resistence of it caused himself intense intense pain, until he passed out from weariness fighting off the severe mental strain. He resisted Unicron's control, but not with ease. And after collapsing, Unicron took control of his unconscious body anyway. Megatron may have had a strong enough willpower, but not the capacity needed to overcome exhaustion.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Alright, so in the aftermath of this there's Megatron, Orion Pax, Airachnid, Soundwave, Breakdown and Knock Out on the cons, Arcee, Bulkhead, Bumblebee, and Ratchet on the Autobot side. I really think this will stick for the majority of next season, if not all of it- remember Megatron was out of it for 10 episodes in the first season, I wouldn't be shocked if Orion was with the cons for an extended period of time. Also I believe MECH will play a bigger role in season two- with Starscream joining the fray on their side and helping them complete Project Chimera- which is more than likely the Stunticons (complete with a "failed" (read: G1) clone of Breakdown)

The writer confirmed that the Dinobots would be joining in Prime- I wouldn't doubt that the Autobots get both Grimlock and Wheeljack in the first few episodes of the season. Otherwise they're massively outgunned, and Wheeljack makes sense since he had a earth-like model when he first entered the fray. With this in mind, the teams would look like this

Autobot:
Grimlock
Arcee
Ratchet
Bumblebee
Bulkhead
Wheeljack

Decepticon:
Megatron
Orion Pax
Soundwave
Airachnid
Knock Out
Breakdown

MECH:
Starscream
Motormaster
Dead End
Dragstrip
Breakdown Clone
Wildrider.


Thoughts?

[Twitchythe3rd]

I have a feeling the Key to Vector Sigma is somehow going to restore Orion Pax / Optimus Prime. Why else would it come up in the season finale?

Prime likely knew that unleashing the power of the Matrix would "kill" Optimus (revert him back to Orion). It's possible that the Key is the only thing that can restore the power of the Matrix, and thus "revive" Optimus Prime.

Who is going to fill the void in leadership until that happens though (if it happens at all)? Ultra Magnus is off leading the Wreckers (possibly dead if they stayed behind on Cybertron) and Rodimus / Hot Rod is non-existant in this timeline so far (He was in the DS version of WFC though). Grimlock has been the Autobot leader in past continuities, so perhaps they'll take that route.

Of the current 4 remaining Autobots, Ratchet seems most capable of taking the position.

Of course, I could be completely and utterly wrong about everything. Failure is always an option.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Yeah I think Grimlock will be leader at some point, he's confirmed for this show anyway. The key will probably be the way to restore Optimus, but it won't be easy to get near him. Not without Megatron probably sticking by his side all the time. Why else wouldn't he have just killed him, let alone bring him back to the Nemesis?

[Shadowman]

Otherwise they're massively outgunned

They've always been massively outgunned. Five Autobots, and (Minus Starscream) five Decepticons, and also an infinite number of Vehicons.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Otherwise they're massively outgunned

They've always been massively outgunned. Five Autobots, and (Minus Starscream) five Decepticons, and also an infinite number of Vehicons.

They've had Prime for all of that though, there's a massive difference with him not there and with the cons than with him leading the Autobots.

[Shadowman]

Otherwise they're massively outgunned

They've always been massively outgunned. Five Autobots, and (Minus Starscream) five Decepticons, and also an infinite number of Vehicons.

They've had Prime for all of that though, there's a massive difference with him not there and with the cons than with him leading the Autobots.

And Optimus just had a few million years of experience taken off. Also he's on a team he's not entirely sure he wants to play for, judging by the look on his face. His only saving grace is that none of the Autobots would want to fight him.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Otherwise they're massively outgunned

They've always been massively outgunned. Five Autobots, and (Minus Starscream) five Decepticons, and also an infinite number of Vehicons.

They've had Prime for all of that though, there's a massive difference with him not there and with the cons than with him leading the Autobots.

And Optimus just had a few million years of experience taken off. Also he's on a team he's not entirely sure he wants to play for, judging by the look on his face. His only saving grace is that none of the Autobots would want to fight him.

That doesn't change the fact it's now 4 leaderless autobots vs. an army of cons. And even if he isn't as strong as Optimus, it's still another named con to add to the ranks, and it's not like Megatron couldn't manipulate events to make him believe, at least for a little while.

And I'd consider that a little more than a saving grace. Megatron is a smart bastard, he'd play that card like there's no tomorrow and essentially force the Autobots off of his tail just by putting Orion out on the field by his side. He quickly took advantage of the mindwipe, and quickly took advantage of the Unicron situation in general. He could do a ton of things with just that one saving grace.

Of course if Grimlock joins he's less likely to give a damn, but that remains to be seen.

[DJ1107]

Eh the whole Optimus is a con thing will probably last as a 2 parter because frankly we don't need another G1 season 3. You guys wanna know what the sad thing is I seem to only enjoy this series when I write it. Yeah that sounds shallow but screw it I had a blast writing the synopsis for "Rise of Shockwave." And thinking back to it I already thought of another synopsis that could have worked "Transformers in japan" A maybe 3 parter that had cool action I'd have to go back in time a rewrite a certain episode that was a disappointment -coughRockBottomcough- give a character who is in dire need to be put on the tele, and most importantly making Miko a likable character. (now wait for everyone to tell me how wrong I am)

[SirSoundwaveIV]

DJ, I don't care that you don't like it, but why do you come into this topic and whine incessantly about it? It's annoying in general, and it'd be nice if you'd stop.

[Shadowman]

DJ, I don't care that you don't like it, but why do you come into this topic and whine incessantly about it? It's annoying in general, and it'd be nice if you'd stop.

We've been asking him that for this entire and it hasn't taken hold. Seriously, DJ, you clearly hate this show, why are you still watching it? If you stop now, we don't have to hear you pick apart every little thing anymore. Everyone wins.

[DJ1107]

Because someone has to be the bad guy with this show. It was never the fact I hated it because we lost Animated hell I have enough story material to make a proper ending. I hated this show since it had the idiotic plan to make this in continuity with WfC. To me WfC was more promo material for the classic toyline with all or most having that G1 flare to it. When I read that this instead became material for Prime I said "Why? This series doesn't need to have a connection with the game" So now I'm force to believe that everyone who had a more pre-G1 look decided to use a somewhat questionable robot design, I'm force to believe that Bumblebee ended up as his movie counterpart, I'm forced to believe many character from the game to this show have disappeared without a trace. That is why I hated Prime. but after the finale I've simmer down abit. I only stayed for the show to find something to like out of all of the episodes I've only enjoyed Crisscross. I liked The Bulkhead vs MECH one minus the hiccups.

[Zequem]

Who is going to fill the void in leadership until that happens though (if it happens at all)? Ultra Magnus is off leading the Wreckers (possibly dead if they stayed behind on Cybertron) and Rodimus / Hot Rod is non-existant in this timeline so far (He was in the DS version of WFC though).

I've been thinking a lot about what part Hot Rod (or Hot Shot, as he's probably officially named that) will play in this. If I remember correctly, the reason Hasbro named him Hot Shot instead of Rodimus was because they wanted to explain how he becomes Rodimus Prime.

Personally, I think it's too early to do that, but who knows? We know that someone (either Daran Norris or new VA, maybe both) is going to play a new Autobot. Of course it could be one of the Dinobots, as it has been said they will be in Prime, but it might be someone "new".

I was first against the idea to bring Unicron this early in the series, but now... Eh, things just got interesting.

[Shadowman]

Because someone has to be the bad guy with this show.

There doesn't have to be a guy at a party talk ad nauseam about how the music sucks and the drinks are awful.

I know what you mean, you're trying to raise a counter-point to the series itself. I also know you're doing it wrong. You're ignoring story elements and focusing on things that either never happened, or didn't happen the way you're talking about.

It was never the fact I hated it because we lost Animated hell I have enough story material to make a proper ending. I hated this show since it had the idiotic plan to make this in continuity with WfC. To me WfC was more promo material for the classic toyline with all or most having that G1 flare to it. When I read that this instead became material for Prime I said "Why? This series doesn't need to have a connection with the game" So now I'm force to believe that everyone who had a more pre-G1 look decided to use a somewhat questionable robot design, I'm force to believe that Bumblebee ended up as his movie counterpart, I'm forced to believe many character from the game to this show have disappeared without a trace. That is why I hated Prime.

What you're talking about isn't native to Aligned. The Unicron Trilogy was using inexplicable design changes and continuity errors before it, and the Beast Era is practically the progenitor of it all.

but after the finale I've simmer down abit.

Do us all a favor, simmer down all the way. You are a total buzz kill.

[DJ1107]

The whole point of my synopsis of "Transformers in japan" was lets go back and retcon Rock Bottom to many of you already know I've had a huge problem with how that was executed. We could have kept the opening but mixed it up in the middle. That Jack and Miko were separated from The Bots and have to try and find a way out all the while building up to the shipping of these two chuckle heads, but under MY circumstances. The whole point would be that Jack gets frustrated with Miko constant annoying and childish rambling That he finally cracks and just tells her of the circumstances they are in. Miko spills her guts out by saying the reason why she acts like this is due to the fact her parents are dead. The back story would be that her folks were killed in somekind of accident that the only thing she remembers is a skull. She acts the way she does because she tries to not be broody all the time. Jack tries to sympathise with her because he too knows what it's like to not have a loved one around. Meanwhile BH and

[Shadowman]

Kids don't act like bright, cheery, optimistic thrill-seekers when their parents die.

[DJ1107]

2nd post sorry writing on PS3 folks get paranoid when I'm on this site. Anyway BH and Arcee would spend the episode trying to find the kids while running into Megatron continplating on kill him but decide not to. The kids be chased by Starscream only for the two bots to save them afterwards Miko tells Jack not too tell anyone about her past Jack promises and then the spark of a relationship starts. Thats how Rock bottom should have went instead of what we got. And for once I'm not trying to be morbid with Miko backstory (mine anyway) The whole point would be for it to forshadow the main villain for my synopsis Bludgeon. since I did my research Bludgeon doesn't have a Prime counterpart so I can get away with him unlike with Shockwave. He still be a samurai because I think it's the law that Bludgeon is a samurai or a tank. His voice actor would be Scottie Ray (the guy who voiced Shredder in TMNT 03) and he would still remain a religious zelot but not too preachy.

[DJ1107]

Kids don't act like bright, cheery, optimistic thrill-seekers when their parents die.

Robin does most of the time same went with Sailor Jupiter in the manga.

[Shadowman]

Kids don't act like bright, cheery, optimistic thrill-seekers when their parents die.

Robin does most of the time same went with Sailor Jupiter in the manga.

The character type you're thinking of is, on TV Tropes, the Pollyanna. And while it disproves my point, it also disproves your point. If she fits that character type, she'd be acting like that despite her parents' death, not because of it. It's the same with both of the characters you pointed out.

[Sabrblade]

MECH:
Starscream
Motormaster
Dead End
Dragstrip
Breakdown Clone
Wildrider.


Thoughts?

Only real problem is that Motormaster, "Dragstrip", and Dead End already exist in this continuity family.

Who is going to fill the void in leadership until that happens though (if it happens at all)? Ultra Magnus is off leading the Wreckers (possibly dead if they stayed behind on Cybertron) and Rodimus / Hot Rod is non-existant in this timeline so far (He was in the DS version of WFC though).

How is he nonexistent? You said it yourself, he was in the DS version, so he (Hot Shot) does exist in this continuity family.

Yeah I think Grimlock will be leader at some point, he's confirmed for this show anyway. The key will probably be the way to restore Optimus, but it won't be easy to get near him. Not without Megatron probably sticking by his side all the time. Why else wouldn't he have just killed him, let alone bring him back to the Nemesis?

Or maybe, since Optimus personally gave him the Key, Jack might take command. After all, it wouldn't be the first time that a human was Commander of the Autobots, and it would be an interesting take on Jack character, giving him more responsibility and allowing him to grow and mature even further.

Eh the whole Optimus is a con thing will probably last as a 2 parter because frankly we don't need another G1 season 3. You guys wanna know what the sad thing is I seem to only enjoy this series when I write it. Yeah that sounds shallow but screw it I had a blast writing the synopsis for "Rise of Shockwave."

An issue I had with that write up was that it kinda made shockwave come off as being Gary Stuish, like he was "the perfect Con leader" without any real character flaws aside from the villain cliche error of overconfidence.

Plus, like I've said before, if shocky were to have come in at the point during which you had brought him in, he still would have been subordinate to Starscream.

And this episode now shows us why Starscream never took the initiative to completely overthrow Megatron and only stood as "Acting Leader": Because Soundwave will beat up anyone who challenges Megatron's authority.

Because someone has to be the bad guy with this show. It was never the fact I hated it because we lost Animated hell I have enough story material to make a proper ending. I hated this show since it had the idiotic plan to make this in continuity with WfC. To me WfC was more promo material for the classic toyline with all or most having that G1 flare to it. When I read that this instead became material for Prime I said "Why? This series doesn't need to have a connection with the game" So now I'm force to believe that everyone who had a more pre-G1 look decided to use a somewhat questionable robot design, I'm force to believe that Bumblebee ended up as his movie counterpart, I'm forced to believe many character from the game to this show have disappeared without a trace. That is why I hated Prime. but after the finale I've simmer down abit. I only stayed for the show to find something to like out of all of the episodes I've only enjoyed Crisscross. I liked The Bulkhead vs MECH one minus the hiccups.

While it was a cool game, the story of WFC was very much bare-bones for the most part. There was little history to it, not much really cemented its reality outside of its self-contained short story. It frankly could have led into anything, not just G1. The only thing really keeping it somewhat in line with G1 is its character designs, which look sorta-kinda like the G1 style. But then again, what series doesn't make design callbacks to G1 these days?

Besides, the show borrows more from Exodus than it does from WFC, as Exodus (while telling he same basic story as WFC with some differences) has much richer history and more thorough depth to its lore.

He still be a samurai because I think it's the law that Bludgeon is a samurai or a tank.

Shattered glass Bludgeon is a cowboy.

His voice actor would be Scottie Ray (the guy who voiced Shredder in TMNT 03) and he would still remain a religious zelot but not too preachy.

Scottie Ray does voice work based in New York. This show is recorded in LA. He doesn't regularly do voice work elsewhere. and it would be more cost effective for the Prime staff to use someone who's more local to the area.

[LadyBug]

I just have to say: Starscream needs to come back for season 2. He had been nearly gone 9/10 episodes the last part of season one. And he still has not return. Whatever he is doing, wherever he is - he's planning something big. He has to reclaim his place as second-in-command. I have a feeling thatOrion Pax will be taking that place in season 2.

I also think that Wheeljack will bring back the Dinobots in season 2. They are in some serious need of new Autobots, after what happened in the last episode. Though, I just knew it that the key to the groundbridge was not that. It was the key to Vector Sigma. I can't wait to see how that will be played out in season 2.

I think my favorite scenes in part 3 was when Optimus and Megatron where fighting back to back in the core of Unicron. Though, Unicron did not put up a serious fight like I thought he would. I also wished that Ratchet would of ended up fighting with him. I hate seeing how he just doesn't do anything really since episode 23.

But OMG. The camera angles, the music, the dramatic story telling in this series - I felt like I was seriously watching a movie.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Yeah I think Starscream being competant and not screaming and loudly plotting to take Megatron down wasn't inspired by himself, but more so inspired by the fact Soundwave would beat the hell out of him if he tried. Because even in a one v. one fight, Bulkhead had major issues taking on Airachnid, Arcee was roughly even, and Breakdown didn't really stand much of a chance, yet Soundwave, out of literally no where, challenges her authority and roflstomps her.

In all honesty? Soundwave beating the slag out of Airachnid is probably the greatest moment from this season. Partially because Soundwave had done little up to that point, and partially because of how thoroughly he took her down when everyone else had trouble with fighting her. In general though, this season finale 3 parter was absolutely fantastic, and I cannot wait until November 28th rolls around for season two to start

And hm, forgot about them existing already. I suppose it doesn't prevent them from making them again but it does cause more confusion. (which is just what this continuity needs )

[Zequem]

Personally, I don't see any sense in other Decepticons joining Starscream's side except other Seekers. It was made pretty clear in Exodus and WFC that every Decepticon is loyal to Megatron, and none of them trusts Starscream. So why would any Decepticon suddenly join him?

But of course, given that this is Transformers we are talking about, they can forget stuff and do otherwise.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Well MECH is aiming to create cybertronians of their own, so it wouldn't be normal cybertronians, it'd be MECH built cybertronians via project chimera. (and this is assuming Starscream links up with MECH, which in all honesty, seems very much likely)