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Well, I've posted my losses (all four of them: Northclaw's only been in 6 fights so far), just in case it becomes an issue, and before they're lost to the depths of the Internet void. HOWEVER, it is my honest opinion that posting our own losses is a pointless exercise. As far as I remember, we don't recieve any points for defeats, so it's not really in our interests to post them. Just my opinion.

Archanubis wrote:Well, I've posted my losses (all four of them: Northclaw's only been in 6 fights so far), just in case it becomes an issue, and before they're lost to the depths of the Internet void. HOWEVER, it is my honest opinion that posting our own losses is a pointless exercise. As far as I remember, we don't recieve any points for defeats, so it's not really in our interests to post them. Just my opinion.

0 points for losses is correct, but they factor into your league score. With 2 wins in 6 fights, that gives you 4 points, your league score however is 0.67 (4/6=0.66667) The best achievable score is 3.00, which is winning every single fight with shutouts.

Absolute Zero wrote:But how are they going to accurately count battles fought if not everyone is tracking correctly and posting all of their battles? The whole arguement for not posting loses is kinda weak and underhanded, I think. "If I don't post a loss to someone, and they don't notice it, it gives me an advantage." To me, that works against building a strong community, and says that you're not confident enough in your configuration to win without taking any advantage you can.

By not counting posted loses which would be more work and run the risk of being double counted and skewing the results.

Given AZ's changed his stance, Captain Late-to-the-Party strikes again.

Jar Axel wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:But how are they going to accurately count battles fought if not everyone is tracking correctly and posting all of their battles? The whole arguement for not posting loses is kinda weak and underhanded, I think. "If I don't post a loss to someone, and they don't notice it, it gives me an advantage." To me, that works against building a strong community, and says that you're not confident enough in your configuration to win without taking any advantage you can.

By not counting posted loses which would be more work and run the risk of being double counted and skewing the results.

But the loses count. Just like when a sports team loses, it counts in it's games played and there for effects it's standings against the other teams.

Burn wrote:Given AZ's changed his stance, Captain Late-to-the-Party strikes again.

I changed my stance? O.o I've always been in favor of posting loses, it's why I've been doing it since the begining. I just didn't want to take a hardline stance and say everyone has to, since it's not my place to say it.

I'm 13-2-0 and proud of it. Halo and Devest8or are the only ones to beat me so far.

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm 13-2-0 and proud of it. Halo and Devest8or are the only ones to beat me so far.

And dev's very proud of that!

devast8or wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm 13-2-0 and proud of it. Halo and Devest8or are the only ones to beat me so far.

And dev's very proud of that!

We're 1-1 against each other, which is better then most against me.

2-0 with a shutout against Sustain and Omega Charge.

14-2 now with 2 shutouts.

devast8or wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm 13-2-0 and proud of it. Halo and Devest8or are the only ones to beat me so far.

And dev's very proud of that!

Same goes for Halo!

Halo wrote:

devast8or wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm 13-2-0 and proud of it. Halo and Devest8or are the only ones to beat me so far.

And dev's very proud of that!

Same goes for Halo!

I shall have my revenge against you madam. This I swear.

Northclaw is baaaaaaaaaack.

Absolute Zero wrote:

Halo wrote:

devast8or wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm 13-2-0 and proud of it. Halo and Devest8or are the only ones to beat me so far.

And dev's very proud of that!

Same goes for Halo!

I shall have my revenge against you madam. This I swear.

Swearing reveng against a lady? How uncouth.

Absolute Zero wrote:But the loses count. Just like when a sports team loses, it counts in it's games played and there for effects it's standings against the other teams.

Yes they do count but they are not counted seperatly from wining teams win. When Burn & Pysch count the wins they will also be counting the losses recorded in those wins; to try and count losses posted seperatly is not only extra work checking them against the previosly recorded wins but also runs the risk of corrupting the loss data recorded in those wins.

Halo wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I shall have my revenge against you madam. This I swear.

Swearing reveng against a lady? How uncouth.

Who said any of us here are couth?

And since when have you been a lady?

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Please format your results in this fashion:

link - winners name - losers name - points scored

Failure to do so will disqualify your scores from the final results table.

-Psychout.

CBF

Archanubis wrote:

Halo wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I shall have my revenge against you madam. This I swear.

Swearing reveng against a lady? How uncouth.

Who said any of us here are couth?

And since when have you been a lady?

1) Good point.

2) I have always been a lady. I'm quite classy.

Halo wrote:2) I have always been a lady. I'm quite classy.

And the first thing that pops into my head is "French Maid outfits are classy".

Don't blame me! Blame everyone who has told me to "go take a walk outside it's a nice cool sunny day". I did! Now i'm hyped up.

Ouch. Would have expected mouthy to put his money where his mouth is. Then again, he shouldn't have brought a fragile TIE fighter to a Zoid fight.

Archanubis wrote:Ouch. Would have expected mouthy to put his money where his mouth is. Then again, he shouldn't have brought a fragile TIE fighter to a Zoid fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU

Halo wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:

Halo wrote:

devast8or wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I'm 13-2-0 and proud of it. Halo and Devest8or are the only ones to beat me so far.

And dev's very proud of that!

Same goes for Halo!

I shall have my revenge against you madam. This I swear.

Swearing reveng against a lady? How uncouth.

The obvious joke was made, so I wont remake it.

However, any woman who can step up to fight, is no longer a woman, she's a fighter, and deserves to be treated as an equal.

Jar Axel wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:But the loses count. Just like when a sports team loses, it counts in it's games played and there for effects it's standings against the other teams.

Yes they do count but they are not counted seperatly from wining teams win. When Burn & Pysch count the wins they will also be counting the losses recorded in those wins; to try and count losses posted seperatly is not only extra work checking them against the previosly recorded wins but also runs the risk of corrupting the loss data recorded in those wins.

Ok... This does not compute to me. Posting your losses as well as your wins tells the total number of matches you've had. For instance, I'm 14-2-0. Out of 16 fights (well, 17 now, but I haven't checked those results yet) I've won 14 and lost 2. If I just posted the 14 wins, without Psychout going through and manually double checking for any loses of mine that weren't posted, or by going through and manually marking my loses that someone else posted, he would only see the 14 fights. Going by just wins, it gives the appearance of my being undefeated and makes my point score look better (30 points in 14 fights is higher then 30 in 16).

So, by posting the losses for Psychout to tally up under your name, it makes less work for him to do later, and makes it more likely that the final tallies will be accurate (assuming that everyone posts all their loses and doesn't "forget" to post one because someone wasn't paying attention to it). Less work=less headache+less chance of mistakes. He's already admitted that his scoring system is complicated, so if we can make it simplier for him to tally stuff, the better.

I'm not saying you have to post the losses if you don't want to, just that I think it'd make it easier for Psychout when it comes time to do the scoring. I got destracted by my girlfriend and the TV and forgot another point... but, at the momment, posting losses is up to the individual as far as I know, so feel free to not post them if that's what you choose to do.

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Please format your results in this fashion:

link - winners name - losers name - points scored

Failure to do so will disqualify your scores from the final results table.

-Psychout.

CBF

Don't be like that dude! Play! I'll fix it for you if you want.

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He already has the losses tallied up from when he tallies up the wins AZ he doesn't need to have us give him a number which may be inaccurate due entirely to the winners bad reporting. If we give him a loss tally he has to check that tally against his win records before he can even think about using it. Its far better for him to simply take the loss tally from his win tally and avoid that problem all together; just like in your sports analogy.

Jar Axel wrote:He already has the losses tallied up from when he tallies up the wins AZ he doesn't need to have us give him a number which may be inaccurate due entirely to the winners bad reporting. If we give him a loss tally he has to check that tally against his win records before he can even think about using it. Its far better for him to simply take the loss tally from his win tally and avoid that problem all together; just like in your sports analogy.

Wha?

Jar Axel wrote:He already has the losses tallied up from when he tallies up the wins AZ he doesn't need to have us give him a number which may be inaccurate due entirely to the winners bad reporting. If we give him a loss tally he has to check that tally against his win records before he can even think about using it. Its far better for him to simply take the loss tally from his win tally and avoid that problem all together; just like in your sports analogy.

Except in sports, they count the wins and losses by teams. You don't see a team that's marked as 20 wins, and no loses marked on their score, and you have to look at the other teams to see if they've lost anything. That takes more work and is more likely to produce errors. Go look at your sports section in your local paper. The standings are marked by wins, losses, and depending on the sport, ties. It makes it much easier to see who's doing well and who's not. It will be far easier, and has been proven to be when you look up sports standings, if, when he's looking at individual stats and needs to calculate the league score, if instead of trying to cross match wins and losses against 15 other players, if he can simply see "Oh, they went A-B-C, so their total matches is D."

Archanubis wrote:Anyone for pork?

Har-har (Sorry...Oink Oink). Yeah, i kinda pulled a Roy move after getting to that 5-0 start.

Absolute Zero wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:He already has the losses tallied up from when he tallies up the wins AZ he doesn't need to have us give him a number which may be inaccurate due entirely to the winners bad reporting. If we give him a loss tally he has to check that tally against his win records before he can even think about using it. Its far better for him to simply take the loss tally from his win tally and avoid that problem all together; just like in your sports analogy.

Except in sports, they count the wins and losses by teams. You don't see a team that's marked as 20 wins, and no loses marked on their score, and you have to look at the other teams to see if they've lost anything. That takes more work and is more likely to produce errors. Go look at your sports section in your local paper. The standings are marked by wins, losses, and depending on the sport, ties. It makes it much easier to see who's doing well and who's not. It will be far easier, and has been proven to be when you look up sports standings, if, when he's looking at individual stats and needs to calculate the league score, if instead of trying to cross match wins and losses against 15 other players, if he can simply see "Oh, they went A-B-C, so their total matches is D."

Edit sorry bout that had a few problems with the site earlier.


However while I took the time to cool my heals I realized something; you have simply misunderstood the rules. Just because you post a loss does not necessarily mean that that loss will be counted. While the likely hood of any single poster having an invalid loss posted is relatively low it is a statistical probability that there will be loss posted that are invalid. This means that Pysch cannot simply look at any individuals loss count and accept it as accurate.