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Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to agree somewhat
that there's gonna need to be some human element in the movie
that's more than just seeing people run, scream, crash cars, etc.
As much as I want to see JUST bots all over the place,
in order for the next movie to blow up jut as big,
as someone else said,
it's gonna have to have something for all movie-goers.

prowl24 wrote:Death of main Autobots characters. It would be fun.

Isn't Jazz dead? Anyway I want fembots. At least Arcee. Maybe more than one if possible. Black Arachnia if possible. Can't wait to see Soundwave too. Transformers need more character developement. But I guess that must cost a whole lot of money to have more TF screen time...

I hope they can show us a nice Sideswipe and Sunstreaker combo. (That's if they can get licence to use Lamborghini.) I don't know if I want to see Hot Rod/Rodimus/Hot Shot just yet. Maybe only to set him as a young autobot.

Besides that, most of my favorite characters were already in the first movie.


EDIT: I just realised that there's good chance Fembot are gonna make their apearance sooner or later. With the allspark gone the TF are doomed unless they find a way to reproduce. But in a way I guess this isn't going to be easy to make it credible to average viewers. I guess we might not see this dream come true until the attention of average viewers has been drained. When only the kids are left we might see it happen. I hope this won't be too dissapointing...

I like the idea of a human for the job, but I think that they could easily bring in Rumble for it. Also I think there should be more, Human Robot interaction then Human on Human. Get more interesting charcters too for the humans.

Sam was okay, I liked him, Mikala I can tolerate -but Megan Fox was really not believable at all in that role. Maggie could have been believable if they had kept her closer to her book counterpart. What I'd like to see is more of how the Autobots and Cons view the humans, and their relationships with them and dealing with the vastly different cultures.

Best secene ever would be if Prowl crashed on earth, and talked to Chip through the net and needed help. A bonding moment between these two would be exceptional becuase it would show a very different relationship then that of BB and Sam.

Also, to the writers, give the characters better lines please!

I want Sam to die.

It would add some depression, and not be like, the good guys win every time.

I also want a TF with boobs...and a long metal thing.

I NEED MENTAL HELP!!

Eradicator wrote:I want Sam to die.

It would add some depression, and not be like, the good guys win every time.

I also want a TF with boobs...and a long metal thing.

I NEED MENTAL HELP!!

Here ya go, tire boobs FTW!!!

mizanyx wrote:They lost their infiltrator Decepticon, Frenzy, who normally entered places where a vehicle can't. They cannot defeat humans as a race without the Allspark either and now they are more vulnerable than ever with US Army knowing that they can die with sabot rounds and with only 1 losses of the autobot side. So they need somehow to infiltrate, they could lure a human into that job, specially one with a fragile psyche.

I don't think the Decepticons would easily do that unless they are sure that said human will actually do as told.

In the IDW comics they use clones of humans called facsimilies by getting DNA from the original subject and destroying them. Even though they retain their original's memories they are utterly obedient to the Decepticons and are used to create unrest in the government. What better way to infiltrate than to make a copy of a Senator, General or even a President *cough*Bush*cough*?

And other than that, would they need to infiltrate? Sure most of them got taken out but there were only six of them and they are like hundreds upon thousands, of Decepticons out there.

As for interacting with humans they already have enough in terms of interaction or character development.

BTW even though its been cut out from the film, one of the soldier named Fig is shown dying in the hospital telling Lennox to get revenge for him. It was cut out because Bay wanted to tone down on the violence against the Transformers.

Supposing that is still something of interest for the Decepticons in Earth, now that there is only 1 known Decepticon on it (Barricade) and that he has experience dealing with humans, his best bet would be to somehow use an human to gather information, given its alternate mode that would be easy for him. I've not read the comics of the prequel but... were Barricade and Starscream of the same faction of the Decepticons?

Somehow the second movie needs an human story that attracts all people to this new incarnation of Transformers. In the first movie was the relationship between Sam, his new car (Bumblebee) and Mikaela, that later gave place to the story and battles between the Transformers. The second movie should have another human plot, because the plot knots within Sam, Mikaela and BB were all resolved. If its simply a direct continuation of the first without any elements that make it stand by its own, the TF trilogy will become like the Matrix trilogy or worst, with a nice first movie but horrid second and third parts.

Right now the best bet I think is to show how the humans are reacting to the sudden appearence of Autobots and Decepticons. Not everyone is going to respond like Keller did. The idea of someone wanting to help the decepticons reminds me of Archevill. What a perfect way to have him included and make him actually even more of a menace then he was in the cartoon.

Oh man don't connect this movie with the horror that was the Matrix. I still think that there should be some sort of connecter between the movies. Animated is great but it's a totally different story. Too bad IDW has so many books on their plate.

I liked reloaded and revolutions just as much as the first.

Okay, let's do some recap:

*The Transformers have this war over the AllSpark
*The AllSpark crashed onto Earth
*Megatron came crashing after it
*a homo sapien found out about Mega-jerk
*the rest of the Decepticons came searching for their leader
*Autobots followed
*more homo sapiens finding out about the Transformers
*war finally break out on human society

and in the end, the Decepticons loses... or have they?

If you see this from the PoV of military-intelligences (oxymoron), if any Decepticons were to survive (and some have been confirmed/presumed to have). he/she would devise some sort of stretagy to revive Megatron again or, in Starscream's case, take up the position of leadership and lead the Decepticons into total doom... er, I mean, to conquer the human society while they do not realise. However, for that to happen, new technology will arise, and that is when the Combiners, the Minicons, the Brestforce (ROFLMFAO), the Headmasters, etc. to be built, created and brought into battle! We will probably/definitely see Devestator as said/presumed to happen in Wikipedia in the next movie first, and then, Trypticon, Omega Supreme, etc. It will possibly be a long-line of movies that is just splendid, splendid I tell ya!

Sonray wrote:

Eradicator wrote:I want Sam to die.

It would add some depression, and not be like, the good guys win every time.

I also want a TF with boobs...and a long metal thing.

I NEED MENTAL HELP!!

Here ya go, tire boobs FTW!!!

you need a docter

I already have a buncha doctors....they cant help me.

That means you are beyond all hope.

optronix91 wrote:That means you are beyond all hope.

You are only just realizing this?

Prime should die...starscream should kill him...Ultra Magnus should gain command of the autobots and gavatron should appear at the end of the movie to take his place as rightful leader of the decepticons. Kinda like an empire strikes back kinda thing. The bad guys should win the next one!

I think prime should definitely die and megatron come back as galvatron.
Oh
and you gotz ta have soundwave in part 2. Complete with vocoder to give him that awesome sound and voiced by Frank Welker which would keep us old skool Transformer fans happy.

- Realistic reactions of people seeing a car transform into a robot
- All decepticons should be able to fly in robot mode
- Dialog that between the robots that doesn't come across as prerecorded sound clips
- Show the consequences of war, people dying, destruction of property

syphonn wrote:- Realistic reactions of people seeing a car transform into a robot
- All decepticons should be able to fly in robot mode
- Dialog that between the robots that doesn't come across as prerecorded sound clips
- Show the consequences of war, people dying, destruction of property

All things covered in the first film...

Sonray wrote:

syphonn wrote:- Realistic reactions of people seeing a car transform into a robot
- All decepticons should be able to fly in robot mode
- Dialog that between the robots that doesn't come across as prerecorded sound clips
- Show the consequences of war, people dying, destruction of property

All things covered in the first film...

Not in my opinion, but its just that, my opinion

definitely less human time.

Sonray wrote:
This is why the human element in the first movie is so important and necessary.

But so MUCH of a human element? It was like the movie guest-starred the Transformers. Yeah, the human-like characteristics of the Autobots and Decepticons are what have endeared the characters to us for so long...but not the human characters. Granted, Sam was necessary...and even some of the side-plot of him trying to get Mikaela was entertaining. But I didn't wait 20 years for a live-action movie full of hyped-up Disney/soap stars hogging the spotlight.

I'm holding out hope that since this was like an "origin" movie, that the next two will give us a lot more Transformer-ness.

Oh, and hold the damn camera steady.

Me_Grimlock_King wrote:

Sonray wrote:
This is why the human element in the first movie is so important and necessary.

But so MUCH of a human element? It was like the movie guest-starred the Transformers. Yeah, the human-like characteristics of the Autobots and Decepticons are what have endeared the characters to us for so long...but not the human characters. Granted, Sam was necessary...and even some of the side-plot of him trying to get Mikaela was entertaining. But I didn't wait 20 years for a live-action movie full of hyped-up Disney/soap stars hogging the spotlight.

I'm holding out hope that since this was like an "origin" movie, that the next two will give us a lot more Transformer-ness.

Oh, and hold the damn camera steady.

its called "transformers" not "sam meets the transformers"

Sam / Mikaela / BB plot is finished... they three are together now. Sam was important because it showed that a human can have true affection for a TF. Now i want a relationship between a Decepticon and a human, there was a scientist in G1 that made an alliance with Starscream right, Dr. Arkeville i think it was his name...? Because now we know a lot about the personalities of BB and Optimus Prime by watching how they trated the humans, but we don't know really too much of the cybertronian psyches of the survivor Decepticons.

So i would like a Decepticon have a psychologically abusive relationship with a troubled, teenage human. Kinda the reverse of what was the relationship between Sam and BB. Obviously, the Decepticon will want something about the human (otherwise he simply would have killed him). And i would like the teenage to be the reverse of what Sam was (Sam looked weak at first, but demonstrated being very courageous even at the worst odds, the new teenage human will look tough in the outside, being really coward).

Another idea i would like is that the Autobots somehow manage to revive the Allspark fragment into something with a limited fraction of the original Allspark's powers, and they could call it 'the matrix of leadership' or 'the matrix of creation'... That could be a device small enough and important enough to make the Decepticons want to convince an human to infiltrate and get it.

Hey, how about human appearance of the Transformers themselves?

Optimus becomes like a typical American hero.
Bumblebee as a young soldier.
Ratchet is a granpa, caring for everything.
Ironhide could be a Texan cowboy.

prowl24 wrote:Hey, how about human appearance of the Transformers themselves?

Optimus becomes like a typical American hero.
Bumblebee as a young soldier.
Ratchet is a granpa, caring for everything.
Ironhide could be a Texan cowboy.

You mean like a movie version of "Only Human"? *shudders*